[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
Where did you dig up the facts on that one? I’d really be interested in reading your source, thanks.
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thinkprogress? Really? thinkprogress is about as a credible source of facts as my five year old nephew.[/quote]
That’s interesting because if you even bothered to check the link you would see that the webpage is merely a cut and paste from a study completed by NBC and the Wall Street Journal. It shows that people who watch Fox New are more likely to be misinformed about the new health care bill than the general population as well as other news watchers. Ergo, Fox watchers are more misinformed than the general public on party issues like health care.
P.S. How fair and balanced can you be if you make a judgement before checking a simple link?[/quote]
if you want really news just cut out the middleman and watch c-span. shit is boring as hell, but you will always get the story straight from the horses mouth.
also, as a student of political science, I can tell you that exit polls and surveys point to fox news viewers being mis-informed, whether this is because they watch fox news and thus become mis-informed or because they are mis-informed in spite of their viewing of fox is debatable.
Further, there is a huge difference between conservatives and republicans. Conservatives, are rational people with a certain theory of how government should work, like Ron Paul for instance. Republicans, are people who really don’t know what they stand for but like pretending as though they do, Sarah Palin would be a good example.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’d like to see some legitimate proof of your theory. You won’t post anything from a left wing website will you? No you won’t do that.[/quote]
You won’t post something from a right wing nutjob site, will you? No, you wouldn’t do that.
Arsenault, A. & Castells, M. (2006). Conquering the minds, conquering Iraq: The social production of misinformation in the United States â?? a case study. Information, Communication & Society, 9(3), 284-307. doi:10.1080/13691180600751256
Look up that article and read it. that is from a peer reviewed journal, not left right up or down. That’s the full apa citation.
Don’t assume that because I study political science that it means I’m part of the liberal elite, or conservative elite for that matter. I completely dis-involve myself from the political system in an attempt to look at things through a ‘clear headed’ lens. It pretty obvious to a rational observer that republicans and democrats are merely two faces of the same card. There is really no difference between the two major parties.
[quote]rageradios wrote:
Arsenault, A. & Castells, M. (2006). Conquering the minds, conquering Iraq: The social production of misinformation in the United States â?? a case study. Information, Communication & Society, 9(3), 284-307. doi:10.1080/13691180600751256
Look up that article and read it. that is from a peer reviewed journal, not left right up or down. That’s the full apa citation.
Don’t assume that because I study political science that it means I’m part of the liberal elite, or conservative elite for that matter. I completely dis-involve myself from the political system in an attempt to look at things through a ‘clear headed’ lens.[/quote]
Well that’s nice to read, I’ll take a look at your data.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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You have yet to show any proof of theese surveys. Could it be that you made it up, or you know the source is BS. If i am wrong and you show a credible survey saying Fox news watchers are behind the curve I will admitt it. If you are wrong or lying I trust you will do the same.
If Fox News is any indicator of where the standard of our British Media is going now Murdoch has bought out all the shares in BSkyB (i.e. to the bottom, as fast as it will go) then we live in very interesting times
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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You have yet to show any proof of theese surveys. Could it be that you made it up,[/quote]
Come on man this is the Internet people don’t just make stuff up.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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You have yet to show any proof of theese surveys. Could it be that you made it up,[/quote]
Come on man this is the Internet people don’t just make stuff up.
Unfortunately, there isn’t a cable news network that adheres to the gold standard of “straight journalism”. But, they deliver the goods to their respective audiences. I don’t watch FOX and I don’t watch MSNBC. When I watch television news, it’s CNN, and it’s pretty awful.
Are they biased? Sure. But I can’t even get to that aspect as my first complaint. Regardless of bias (if you can suspend that issue for a second), our journalists are, frankly, terrible at their jobs. A journalist is only as good as his/her ability to ask legitimate questions on whatever topic they are covering, and that ability is naturally dependent on his/her knowledge of the given topic.
And they are terrible because they don’t appear to know much about, well, much. It is astonishing as to what they don’t seem to know when asking someone questions about various topics.
Our universities don’t teach anything worthwhile at “journalism school”. It serves as a credential rather than an attainment of education, which is the same as they provide for “teachers”, who are, by and large, pretty darn bad as well.
…“It’s pretty obvious to a rational observer that republicans and democrats are merely two faces of the same card. There is really no difference between the two major parties…”
Many Americans have come to this humbling conclusion, rageradios…they tend to vary only in their rhetoric and the base that they tend to pander to.
…“It’s pretty obvious to a rational observer that republicans and democrats are merely two faces of the same card. There is really no difference between the two major parties…”
Many Americans have come to this humbling conclusion, rageradios…they tend to vary only in their rhetoric and the base that they tend to pander to.[/quote]
Prior to the election of Obama, this would hold true more so than now. Not so since 2009. If this were true, moderate Democrats might actually have a chance to hang on to their careers. By and large, they look like a species going extinct at the federal level, and that is the direct result of the Obama-Pelosi wing of the party succeeding.
Your link is hilarious - it chides FOX viewers (and other news outlet viewers) for not being aware of what was contained in the health care bill.
Tell me, Schlenkatank, did everyone know the bill contained a massive tax increase on businesses by requiring them to distribute 1099s to every vendor they spend $600+ on their services?
Hint: Democrats who voted for the bill didn’t know this was in there. Oddly, I don’t see “ThinkProgress” calling them out for being uninformed.
Your link is hilarious - it chides FOX viewers (and other news outlet viewers) for not being aware of what was contained in the health care bill.
Tell me, Schlenkatank, did everyone know the bill contained a massive tax increase on businesses by requiring them to distribute 1099s to every vendor they spend $600+ on their services?
Hint: Democrats who voted for the bill didn’t know this was in there. Oddly, I don’t see “ThinkProgress” calling them out for being uninformed.
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Didn’t congress also forget to exclude themselves from the bill also. If I remember right they actually passed a bill that makes them participate in the new healthcare also. Don’t worry about the bill though. I am pretty confident the whple thing will be found unconstitutional in the end. See my “looks like obamacare is going to trial” thread.
Can you go into a little more depth with your thought, Bolt?[/quote]
If there wasn’t a wit’s difference between the two parties, moderate/independents wouldn’t be so anxious to throw moderate/conservative Democrats out of office - there’d be no reason to.
But, in the age of Obama, moderates/independents can’t wait to vote out moderate Democrats in moderat/conservative districts. They are passionate about dumping these guys. And if they thought there was no appreciable difference between the parties, you wouldn’t see this level of enthusiasm to get rid of one and install the other.
Obama promised to be a uniter, and by gum, he is right. Just not the way he expected. And, Obama/Pelosi have effectively ended the careers of many upstanding moderate Democrats. A real shame.
