Could I ask why you decided to do that?
I’ve known a few people who did this. They had very little knowledge base on the subject and had no interest in learning. They didnt like having their wives inject them. I tried to explain they could do it themselves but they couldn’t grasp the idea. They thought it was just supposed to be plug and play. As soon as complications arrive they drop out. As soon as he quit I asked for whatever Testosterone he had left over lol
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I was 170 when I went on three years ago, lol.
Taking a break, tired of sticking myself, tired of doctor shopping (no HCG, atrophy), just a bunch of reasons.
I will most likely go back on, just felt like I needed a break.
Did you do any type of pct to kick in your natural production?
good to hear you’re feeling good. I hit a slump a few weeks after my PCT ended, but its been over 2 months off of T for me now and starting to feel good all around again.
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I hear ya man. This shit can definitely be frustrating at times!!
Nothing. I would have to order from overseas and then mess around with reconstituting HCG, which is a pain and I never get it right.
I’m sure it’s going to be a bit hellish, and I do have some HCG and Nolva on hand, so we’ll see. I might wait until my next blood test at the beginning of April to see how bad it is and then decide if I want to try a restart or just get back on.
One thing I know is that I will change my protocol if/when I go back on. I was on 140mg a week, frequently E3.5D subq. Next time, I will go to like 90mg E7D on average, 80 one week, 100 the next. I’m seeing now that my levels of 650 at trough were a little high for my age, and would probably be more mellow at 400.
Food for thought.
How do you accomplish this with regards to estrogen. I keep hearing that high estrogen doesn’t harm. Or high estrogen negates the effects of T. I would suspect increasing a dose would eventually increase estrogen.
I don’t watch estrogen because it doesn’t bother me
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I’ve been reading that it’s not so much the actual level of E2, it’s more to do with ratio of E2 to Free T. Can’t speak for the accuracy of that though.
Ya I can’t find any studies or clarity behind what makes one feel the benefits of does not …
My e2 was super perfect for pre 2018 standards a high free t, e2 at 27.5 but didn’t feel jack shiz.
So I’m wondering why … what I really think is my e2 sensitive test might of been inaccurate. There no other answer. I didn’t even have an ai in my system but did take hcg. Lollll…
I’m looking for ratio.
If you didn’t feel anything with what you percieved to be the optimum androgen profile have you ever considered you’re issues aren’t stemming from androgen deficiency?
Not every shitty feeling is hormone related
The more I read about TRT, the more I realize that wayyyyy too many people are on it, and they’re screwing it up for the people who actually need it. I’m not against steroids - I think they should be legal, but I feel the same way about weed. Both can have incredibly positive impacts on various conditions, but truckloads of people unwilling to make lifestyle changes are destroying accessibility and giving credence to the demonization of these controlled substances.
Kudos to you for treating this like what it is: a life saving treatment plan, instead of a quick fix.
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Way too many people may be on it in the USA, in Aus however legitimate hypogonadism is very rarely treated, there’s even dudes here with Klinefelters who never get treatment.
I have no need to use marijuana, however a couple months ago I tried it a couple more times, there was NO medicinal reason for me to try it lol. Anyway here’s what I found, it completely takes away my anxiety, but also turns me into a gigantic idiot. (I couldn’t even exain the process of arterial plaque build up to a friend without pausing like five times then thinking about how “amazing” it is that we can’t function without a heart… Then a few hours I was like “wait a minute, we cant function without our kidneys, liver, brain etc either”… Haven’t done it since haha, not to say I won’t ever again, it’s just something I feel should be reserved (for people like me, who have no reason to and shouldn’t be using it) for special occasions.
Excess is the American way! Also - pot can have a seriously negative effect on those who react badly to it. Pounding heart, anxiety, General stupidity, etc. If you don’t have actual ADD/ADHD and you take amphetamines, you’ll tweak out. If you do, it’ll calm you down. I have fairly crippling anxiety, and can’t stand benzos or antidepressants, and if you were to see me after smoking weed, you wouldn’t know I was high. I just get calm, quiet, and patient. I know people though that smoke and think they’re gonna die. The same can apply to steroids - when applied as a corrective measure (your situation being a perfect example of a life-saving protocol), they can work miracles.
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My HR increases by 20BPM or so on weed (I checked because I was curious), however that’s because it’s a vasodilator and acutely increases BP. My HR increases FAR more from alcohol consumption (in excess, which is rare), however I don’t become symptomatic or anything thus I believe that if done rarely it likely won’t do too much harm (marijuana, not alcohol, alcohol when one drinks to excess (I consider excess to be when one becomes tipsy) wrecks havok on the body, acute endothelial dysfunction, hepatic and renal toxicity, harsh on the esophagus, gastrointestinal lining and just about everything).
That being said I do sometimes drink (haven’t had a single drink since my 18th though).
So do I, however I’ve found meditation and the gentle practice of not giving a fuck tends to help tremendously (I think about the things I’m anxious about and realise they’re absurd, the chances of me having cardiomyopathy are absurdly low, the worst case scenario of talking to a girl is getting awkwardly rejected etc. Thus thinking rationally about these things + a bit of meditation + music tends to help a lot.)
That being said I do take beta-blockers (Atenolol @25mg/day for sympathetic nervous system dominance, appears to be POTS, although a mild case) and I find it helps reduce the physiologic symptoms of anxiety tremendously.
That being said aside from the stupidity, marijuana makes me feel mildly euphoric, reduces my anxiety significantly, makes my hands and legs feel heavier, makes me very hungry. Although I haven’t taken it enough times to gauge how I really react to it given I can count the amount of times I’ve used it with one hand. It certainly isn’t anything special (for me at least) and I DON’T intend to take it again anytime particularly soon.
I totes understand, if I had the option between marijuana and long term benzodiazepine use I’d certainly choose the marijuana… Withdrawl from marijuana can’t kill you lol + benzodiazepines are just scary drugs in general, thankfully I’m doing really well at the moment
Considering alcohol is a depressant, this is very strange.
You have nothing to gain from habitually smoking pot. Dont mess around with it, you’re the perfect candidate for negative responses. I would never suggest that anyone smoke weed, unless they had Parkinson’s/MS and hadn’t explored that route yet. Or regulating nausea on chemo, of course.
I don’t intend to habitually smoke pot, would interfere with my education, however I’d be lying if I said I’ll never do it again.
Alcohol is a vasodilator, thus in mild to moderate quantities it causes a temporary increase in HR (if overly dialated, heart has to work harder to pump blood), secondly alcohol lowers BP, my BP is low with or without alcohol, further lowering of my already low BP, if BP drops too low one goes into shock and dies. Low BP may cause tachycardia or bradycardia (strange isn’t it), however tachycardia in itself tends to lower BP. With very high doses of ethanol, profound respiratory depression occurs, at this point HR will drop.
Thirdly, alcohol has been demonstrated to cause an increase in HR both via anecdotal reports and one or two studies.
That being said neither alcohol nor marijuana are things I worry about due to the fact that both play such a small and insignificant role in my life.
@flappinit do you smoke marijuana or vaporize/use edibles. Long term inhalation of smoke may have detrimental effects on long term health status due to carcinogens in said smoke
The weeds been a part of my life since around 15 year old, I’m 37 now. I used to be one of these weirdos that spent every penny on anything that had a cannabis leaf on it … spliffy coat with a big leaf on the back, belt buckle , them alien take me too your dealer posters. Thinking back Now what an idiot I was lol.
I would have smoked from I woke up till going to bed, first thing in the morning big spliff and coffee, and sat listening to Bob Marley rolling relentlessly. That lifestyle for sure has took its toll on my mental health. The length of time it takes me to think of answers on quiz shows has increased by 20 mins, even simple answers I easily should know.
Still puffing now but a lot less … a lot less. Being stone cold sober now I feel like I’m high on cocaine, talking 50 words per second and can’t sit still, few spliffs and I feel normal and relaxed. I use it more as medicine as I do suffer anxiety and muscle pain from lifting and I feel weed helps me in this regard without needing to resort to prescription drugs. I believe alcohol is much more damaging and dangerous. The chances for something happening to you increase 10 fold the more drink goes down. Wither that be falling down stairs, getting knocked out, or waking up in a cell naked with cuts and bruises, choking on your vomit and damage to liver. It goes on and on… with weed the worst case scenario is falling asleep and missing half the episode of Viking’s… annoying yeah but a lot less damaging potential.
The point I’m trying to make through all this crap lol is alcohol is way worse in many ways than a puff of weed. Weighing it all up I wish I’d stayed clean of it all but it is what it is.