I hope he does! Lol. I love being wrong when I learn something from it!
Haha… I agree about the dosing. We jsut need to find what’s easiest and best for our well being.
@alldayeveryday perfection.
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I think physioLojik is on to something here, his comment about people responding to smaller doses rather than the frequency of the injections. At least for me it seems the larger the injection the worse I feel and the smaller the injection the better I feel and I don’t think it has anything to do with the frequency as much as it does the smaller dose.
Whats seems plausible in theory does not necessarily translate to what happens in the body. Again I have not seen one well documented study that supports multiple injections to avoid E2 elevation. The most important question to ask yourself is whether your protocol is working for you. If it is, then there is no need to change it.
People on here are very motivated to take charge of what they are doing. The average patient who comes to a physician wants the path of least resistance and the simplest fix. Most patients hate injections in the first place so the idea of telling them to inject multiple times a week right off the bat isn’t going to go over well. I have a physician colleague in my new practice who stopped TRT because he hates injections. I tried to convince that subcutaneous testosterone is painless, but no go. Why do you think Antares invested hundreds of millions to get Xyosted , a once a week subcutaneous auto injector FDA approved? Because it will promote great patient acceptance and translate into big bucks.
I have enjoyed interacting with everyone on this forum. I came on here to share my story and add to warnings about indiscriminate use of AI’s. I want to give you a link to an interesting video:
Not a single mention of AI’s or post cycle therapy.
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Bro stay on here, you’re a doctor and thus extremely knowledgeable about medicine. You’re a very valuable addition to this community.
About people responding too smaller doses (although everyone is individual) I find that the higher I go, the better I feel (and if I go above therapeutic thresholds, so say 210mg+ I start to feel reeeaaallly good and full of energy. It doesn’t appear to have a ceiling, I’m sure there’s a point where diminishing returns and/or me feeling shitty would occur, however I’m never going to use enough to find out lol)
So is even a e3d protocol tooany injections?
The drug manufacturers developed cyp to be dosed e2w I believe.
I’m like Systemlord, the bigger the single dose the worse I feel. I think my body burns through the esters judging by the swings in levels from peak to trough on a weekly protocol. Now on EOD Sustanon and feel so much better.
Everybody should just test their peak and trough to see how their OWN body metabolises the T rather than relying on half life calculations and then reference against symptoms.
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whats was your T lvls before start TRT ?
you talk about you do not sweat. Do you eat sea food? kelp, etc. sometimes lack of iodine could be the problem. the body try to maintain as much as can avoiding sweat.
I have trouble falling asleep and staying a sleep 2-3 days a week. I have good libido , energy and mood.
Would you suggest something like you recommend to roscoe?
I do have some 100 mg 5htp on hand timed release. I don’t mind buying other stuff.
I just don’t want to mess up my libido or anything else.
Thank you.
Great post and thank you for your insight!
You’re right that we get sucked into our own little bubble on here and forget that the rest of the world doesn’t think like we do. Now that you mention it, I can personally attest to what you are saying. Most people I know just want a pill to feel better. They don’t have the motivation to change themselves at all. They just want to take, as you said, the path of least resistance. If it involves effort then it’s just too much. The idea of even having to administer medication to themselves does not appeal to most unless it can be done by just swallowing a pill. And to actually have to change what they eat, and God forbid, go lift some weights?..as @charlie12 likes to say…
FORGET ABOUT IT!!! (In my best Italian impersonation! Lol)
This angle of the discussion is one that I would have never thought of from a patient perspective. Thank you again for taking your time!!
And I’ll second this.
I think this part of overdrive’s post would apply to your question.
I think it is not correct for guys to start off right on eod or Ed injections on cypionate. We have a few guys on here pushing injection frequency just based on a single shbg lab. This is wrong. We probably should not base it on any shbg lab.
Other big issue is someone starts 1x a week injections. Don’t feel right after just 3-4 weeks and go to more frequent injections. We have said this before- big problem is we have no patience and want fast results. We say 6 weeks and reassess but am thinking 8 weeks especially if you started on a decent protocol.
I don’t think we should be “pushing” anything at all. We should be offering insight into our own experiences and share the pros and cons of what has and hasn’t worked for us. To say, “this is what I wound up doing, so unless you do the exact same you’re doomed!” is just self serving. It doesn’t help people. I’m guilty of coming across like that myself (not even realizing it or trying to be). As the heart of this discussion implies…everybody is going to react different.
We should at best (at least most of us), stick to giving friendly advice and sharing our experiences, and help people to understand the things that we have learned concerning levels and their implication. The protocol that works for them is unfortunately going to have to come through their own trial and error.
I just wish that more of us could take the approach that @overdrive_special took here, engaging in DISCUSSIONS that offer insight and give equal weight all the way around! (I’m talking to myself here as well!) These discussions offer a perspective from all sides that eventually arrive at some sort of logical outcome. Not some bullshit argument that ends in both sides “agreeing to disagree” because neither one can really prove their point and are really just trying to push their own opinion in the first place.
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I usually take 500mg tryptophan nightly and some magnesium. This tends to help a bit.
Finding sleep is awful. I get “earworms” which is when a snippet of a song gets stuck in your head on repeat.
He just up and stopped TRT? How the fuck is he surviving?
I quit cold turkey about five weeks ago. It kinda sucks, but it’s not the end of the world.
I just remember how I felt at 235 ng/dl and wouldn’t wish that on anyone. I guess if you natural level is higher then it wouldn’t be so dramatic.
With all due respect it doesn’t sound like they come off cycle for very long.
The screw is turning once again… That’s why I like hanging around these forums, It’s like keeping up with the science lol.