Daily injections should be recommended to those who are having estrogen sides rather than go on an AI.
They may just need a lower dose. There are guys that alpha said he knows injection 80 total a week and are fine. Guys go on trt think they need to start over 100 and think more is better. Geeze you have defy starting guys at 150 . Sorry but if you want free t ABOVE ranges it is not trt in my book. It is something that requires more management as if on a cycle. And if you need above range free t levels you are most likely covering up other underlying issues that need to be addressed.
I injected 1x a week and 2 and estradiol stabilized to be the same.
Amen. That’s the first action to be taken. Drop the dose. Lose the weight. Clean up the diet. Get the sleep. Ect ect ect
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It’s simple. Multiple options… I think everyone should start and modify accordingly until they feel optimized. I thought e2 was more about estrogen management than just stable levels.
I feel Testasterone kick in within hours. Others don’t feel anything. I wonder if some bodies metabolize or use the suspended testasterone at a faster rate and therefore need more dosages per week?
@enackers correct. The issue is when guys get impatient or they hear what “experts” do and jump back and forth constantly. Stay on a protocol for 6-8 weeks and assess. Sometimes more.
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@physioLojik So injecting 60mg EOD for 14 days (420mg) vs taking two 210mg shots twice over 14 days (E7D) won’t impact your E2 positively or negatively?
As I am new here, I am curious who in this thread has actual credentials to be discussing this and who just reads a bunch of stuff online or goes by experience? I gather physiologik is a physician of some sort.
Are you freaking serious? Who has credentials to be discussing this? You are currently logged on to a forum specifically designed for the discussion of these topics. It is almost completely populated with individuals who are in one stage of treatment or another. It just so happens there are a few doctors on the forum. Absolutely amazing post @kingofturtles. Way to insinuate that experience means nothing. Do yourself a favor and GTFO
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Not too sure what your deal is bro. It was a simple question. It’s not wrong for me to wonder who here 1- has schooling in this subject, works with this stuff for a living and works with multiple
People, looking at multiple blood tests and has had success in solving problems and then 2-who here is going off of 10 years of experience and 3-who here is spewing stuff they read from a soccer moms blog. If I started saying stuff you would belive me just because I am on this forum? Maybe you should lower your dose and stop roid raging. You just came off as a clown.
Lol at you if you never check sources.
Hahaha that’s awfully funny. I dont believe anything anybody says online. The only clown around here that I see is the guy asking who has “the credentials” to be discussing this on an open forum. Unfortunately my dose is lowered right now. I’m way more tolerant when I’m taking higher doses. This is why I stopped coming to T Replacement is this crap right here. Absolutely amazing the difference. If you want credentials schedule an appointment with your doctor.
I took this similar to the way allday did. You seem to criticize forum participants by questioning “actual credentials” implying they should not be discussing this topic. Yet, here you are reading their comments.
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Dont worry @highpull. This fool is lost. Apparently wants all of us falling all over ourselves hoping he accepts our resumes. Fuck off turtle.
I wouldn’t go quite that far. My doc wanted me to try 150mg a week so instead of upping my E3.5D injection volume, we just added one more injection a week. I rather enjoy only injecting .25ml per injection. Don’t get any pip and I personally think (opinion from my limited experience, corroborated by some on this forum) that the lower volume you can inject at a time the less e2 spikes you will see. Not sure how valid that is but I don’t seem to have any issues with high E2 symptoms doing 3 injections a week even though my protocol increased by 50%.
I do agree that it won’t make much of a difference in the release related to half life, but it sure seems to be going pretty smooth for me right now. I really hope I don’t eat those words later! Lol
Wasn’t meant that way my man. I am just curious who here deals with this stuff on a daily basis and has any sort of formal training or maybe access to stuff we don’t have access too. For example, I read somewhere that logik is a physician of some sort. That’s good to know. As someone who is a physician and is obviously well learned in this area of medicne it wouldn’t be wrong for me to ask him a question over someone like say myself, who is new to this. I’ve read your posts and you’ve answered my questions and a value your opinion, so no ill will was meant. There are a lot of people asking and answering questions here and I am just trying to get a lay of the land. Not sure why @alldayeveryday is flying off the handle. Guy needs to take a lap or something.
Consider it done turtle
This reminded me of a powerlifter back in the 70s (I wrote his drug programs) complaining to me about trouble with roid rage. Seems that, five minutes after a Deca Durabolin injection he blew up at his fiancée because she had on a TV program he didn’t like. She said “you just took a shot, didn’t you?”
Told him if he wants to be an asshole and blame steroids, go ahead, but he’s just an asshole.
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Don’t worry, there are plenty of doctors specializing in this that disagree with one another. So, whatever “expert” you rely upon, you’ll find another one with a differing opinion.
Yup. Understood. I also see how my original post was worded in a way that made people think I was condescending. I didn’t mean it like that and I apologize.
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Reminds me of a Bill Cosby routine. He was talking about cocaine and he said “people love cocaine. I ask them why and they say it intensifies your personality! I said yes, but what if you’re an asshole!” Lmao
@highpull yes man. The mind is quite a powerful thing. I’ve used 1.5 grams of test in my younger years and never once had “rage” lol. You’re just an asshole on steroids or off steroids or a nice guy on or off. Just an excuse.
In response to @kingofturtles. Yes I am an endocrinologist. I have also competed in bodybuilding and used a lot of different stuff so I have a wide ranging knowledge base; that being said, there are a lot of guys who post here who have a ton of knowledge from the real world and their information should be taken with a lot of validity.
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