I wish you the best bud. I hope that you find that magic bullet.
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I hear you gotta wait 6 weeks. That’s 1.5 months. In 3 months you had 2 protocol tests. You have 5 or 6. That means you have gave them a 2 week try ?
I only test bloods after 6 weeks, so I give each protocol at least 6 weeks.
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Once a week most will Peak around day 2 or 3 right? Take your blood test on day 3 then another on day 6… day 3 is higher than day 6…
If you inject daily, then you are keeping the amount of T consistent through out your week. You are never too high or too low. Take a blood test on Monday and thursday and you’ll find it’s probably about the same.
These scenarios should be enough food for thought to generare a light bulb moment. If that doesn’t work I don’t know what will…
I may try daily at some point.
But others on here disagree with the daily protocol as unnecessary.
I can tell you from personal experience daily was the best protocol ever! You’re taking advice from people who haven’t even tried it because they believe it’s unnecessary.
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I don’t follow whatever your logic is. Let’s use a 10mg daily example you gave.
By day 8 you have half of day 1s 10mg, a larger portion of day 2, even larger portion of day 3. Etc. explain your thoughts on this so I can try and explain further.
ED only makes sense for prop or suspension
The DOCTOR doesn’t agree! You need to consider your sources here.
@systemlord, I distinctly recall you switching to an every day protocol and discontinuing because it didnt work for you. As a matter of fact I would go as far as to say I’ve never seen you on a protocol that you said worked for you. You constantly complain about your protocols on here and excel male due to side effects. How can you say these things?
A daily protocol I did feel the best, estrogen was lower (26) and I felt amazing, but my skin turned red for whatever reason and was forced to go back to an EOD.
If it wasn’t for the skin issues, I’d be doing a daily protocol.
I agree. With all due respect I think system is over weight and has other unique circumstances and an average guy going on trt would not benefit from his experience. But system is knowledgeable like all of us cause we read a lot.
Correct, 73 pounds overweight. I was 160 lbs when active in my 20’s, now I’m 235 lbs 33% BF.
I can’t have optimal testosterone and estrogen levels at the same time until weight is lost.
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Weight loss more challenging the older we get. I keep telling my wife… She’s 42… it kills me when she is so reluctant to exercise.
Ran across this Serum Testosterone Concentrations Remain Stable Between Injections in Patients Receiving Subcutaneous Testosterone - PMC
It’s not just about stability, it’s about matching the peaks to your natural biorhythm which is why when I was on twice weekly and levels were even higher (TT 667/FT29), I didn’t respond to TRT at all even though levels were stable.
Your body is responding to that peak, if you’re not peaking as often, you aren’t responding as well as you could be. Young men peak more frequently than older men.
Why else do you think the experts who treat men everyday are doing daily injections themselves? They have access to data we do not, they are in the know.
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What experts? Who are they?
Pushing guys on CYPIONATE to do more than 2 injections per week is not right.
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Yup good point and question guys… I believe Jay cambell was EOD and al the docs on the round table are on daily or EOD… Dr Nichols is one that recommends this. I posted another article that just made the case via study. oh and crissler was daily right?
Im on EOD now. So far so good, no creeping E2 sides.
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It shouldn’t be a blanket statement. It may work for some. I feel great on 3.5 day protocol. I’d imagine I’d feel good on a 7 day protocol. I’m sure I’d feel fine on an every day protocol.
I don’t want to get into a chemistry or Pharmacokinetics lesson here but this is basic. Injecting a medicine with an 8 day half life more frequently with lower amounts doesn’t make the medicine have a lower half life. After infecting test c or e, the body SLOW AND STEADY releases the hormone into your system. When you inject let’s say 50 mg of test into your system, 50 mg of active hormone isn’t immediately taken up by the body. It’s mostly attached to an ester that is slowly broken down over it’s lifespan.
The only time Ed shots make sense is with prop (very short ester). Long ester shots have no need to be injected frequently. This is basic Pharmacokinetics. The damn medicine is attached to a releasing ester that is designed to be slow. So injecting it often means shit. People who feel better on frequent injections a) tell themselves it helps or b) have a ridiculous ability to break down esters which is RARE.
That being said - if you personally feel better doing it you should do it. But it isn’t rooted in science or biochemistry. It also means you probably do best on very low dosages.
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