I don’t live in Europe…
the only thing that i truly found disturbing in this movie was the monsanto company. what they are doing to the doing to the seed industry is should be criminal if it is not already.
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/98308/e78578.pdf[/quote]
…nothing in that pdf suggests that the situation concerning the quality of food and food processing in Europe is worse than in the US. Food production in Europe is strictly regulated to ensure that the food we eat is of a certain standard. That standard is certainly higher than in the US…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/98308/e78578.pdf[/quote]
…nothing in that pdf suggests that the situation concerning the quality of food and food processing in Europe is worse than in the US. Food production in Europe is strictly regulated to ensure that the food we eat is of a certain standard. That standard is certainly higher than in the US…[/quote]
except for the paragraph that stated “The incidence of foodborne disease is underreported. . . .Even in these (countries with established security measures) it has been estimated that only 1-10% of cases of infectious foodborne disease are reported.”
and the paragpragh reporting the appearance of vCJD first in the United Kingdom . . .
and the multiple paragraphs about malnutrition and diarrhoeal diseases . . .
where’s your proof that it is so much better than the US?
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/98308/e78578.pdf[/quote]
…nothing in that pdf suggests that the situation concerning the quality of food and food processing in Europe is worse than in the US. Food production in Europe is strictly regulated to ensure that the food we eat is of a certain standard. That standard is certainly higher than in the US…[/quote]
except for the paragraph that stated “The incidence of foodborne disease is underreported. . . .Even in these (countries with established security measures) it has been estimated that only 1-10% of cases of infectious foodborne disease are reported.”
and the paragpragh reporting the appearance of vCJD first in the United Kingdom . . .
and the multiple paragraphs about malnutrition and diarrhoeal diseases . . .
where’s your proof that it is so much better than the US?
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…the use of hormones in the production of meat is banned in Europe for one: http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/Diet/fs37.hormones.cfm
wow . . . you definitely won with that . . one . . . single . . . example . . .
Did you know that not all meat in the US is produced with hormones?
…how about ammonia in your beef?
how about range-fed beef?
…that’s beside the point.
no that is the point - there a variety of meat sources in the US. You cannot denigrate the entire industry for the practices of one segment alone.
…you can if that segment is the largest in the industry: fastfood, school cafeterias and wholesale. Ecological/biological foodproduction is a niche; it may be a growing niche, but still a niche…
LMAO - you’ve been out of the States for far too long . . . keep on riding that hobby horse though - ride, cowboy, ride!!
A lot of stuff is banned in the EU that is still legal in USA. I think it’s similar with animal welfare.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
A lot of stuff is banned in the EU that is still legal in USA. I think it’s similar with animal welfare.[/quote]
Why, yes, Alffi, we do have a free market economy where people are supposed to be able to choose for themselves what they will or will not eat and what they will or will not pay fpor said food items . . . how observant of you.
I’m sure your nanny governments will be happy to take even more choices away from you and tuck you in a night, and get you a little sippy cup of wawa, and get your widdle teddy bear for you too . . .
…according to this site: http://www.ota.com/news/industry/statistics.html [read the mini fact sheet-pdf] projected organic products sales reach a respectable 28 billion dollars in 2008. To contrast that: McDonalds made, in the USA alone, 8 billion in profit in 2008: Suite 101 - How-tos, Inspiration and Other Ideas to Try
…draw your own conclusions.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…according to this site: http://www.ota.com/news/industry/statistics.html [read the mini fact sheet-pdf] projected organic products sales reach a respectable 28 billion dollars in 2008. To contrast that: McDonalds made, in the USA alone, 8 billion in profit in 2008: Suite 101 - How-tos, Inspiration and Other Ideas to Try
…draw your own conclusions.[/quote]
ok - Americans eat a lot of beef . . .
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…according to this site: http://www.ota.com/news/industry/statistics.html [read the mini fact sheet-pdf] projected organic products sales reach a respectable 28 billion dollars in 2008. To contrast that: McDonalds made, in the USA alone, 8 billion in profit in 2008: Suite 101 - How-tos, Inspiration and Other Ideas to Try
…draw your own conclusions.[/quote]
and a lot of potatoes . . . buns. . . tomotoes . . . special sauce . . .pickles . . . drink products . . .
are you aware of the profit model of a Mickey D’s?
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
A lot of stuff is banned in the EU that is still legal in USA. I think it’s similar with animal welfare.[/quote]
Why, yes, Alffi, we do have a free market economy where people are supposed to be able to choose for themselves what they will or will not eat and what they will or will not pay fpor said food items . . . how observant of you.
I’m sure your nanny governments will be happy to take even more choices away from you and tuck you in a night, and get you a little sippy cup of wawa, and get your widdle teddy bear for you too . . .[/quote]
Last time I checked, the FDA had not been abolished. Harmful substances in food are likely going to be harmful overseas as well.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Alffi wrote:
A lot of stuff is banned in the EU that is still legal in USA. I think it’s similar with animal welfare.[/quote]
Why, yes, Alffi, we do have a free market economy where people are supposed to be able to choose for themselves what they will or will not eat and what they will or will not pay fpor said food items . . . how observant of you.
I’m sure your nanny governments will be happy to take even more choices away from you and tuck you in a night, and get you a little sippy cup of wawa, and get your widdle teddy bear for you too . . .[/quote]
Last time I checked, the FDA had not been abolished. Harmful substances in food are likely going to be harmful overseas as well.[/quote]
Sorry for being an ass early on - yes, we do have a FDA, and a substance has to be proven harmful to set criteria before it is banned. But a lot of things that are merely considered unhealthy are not necessarily able to be banned. The free market economy is designed to leave choices in the hands of the producer and consumer rather than the arbitrary hands of a government.