Flo Jo vs. Marion Jones

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Marion Jones is an amazing athlete. She’s been linked to Victor Conte and reportedly just failed her first drug test. Most of the best 100m times I’ve seen for her are around 10.70 seconds, which is ridiculously fast. Here’s one of her races below:

100m Dash Women 1997 World Championships - YouTube (damn, look at the white girl at the end)

So, knowing what we now know, how impressive is this:

The second one is the fastest women’s 100m time EVER - 10.49! Almost TWENTY YEARS LATER that is not only faster, but ALOT FASTER. UNBELIEVEABLE.

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Most people in the track community, including Flo-Jo’s coach, believe 10.49 to have been wind-aided (faulty wind gauge)

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[quote]belligerent wrote:
Most people in the track community, including Flo-Jo’s coach, believe 10.49 to have been wind-aided (faulty wind gauge)[/quote]

ok, take the 10.54 at the olympics then. was that wind aided? almost twenty years later is anyone close to breaking that record? by the way she still holds the women’s 200m record also.

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Not to trash her name, but hasn’t Flo Jo been linked of at least heavily suspected of roids use? Especially after her phenomenal weight increase. Wish I could find the before/after pics to show you.

The comparison with Marion Jones is not just on the speed level…

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[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Not to trash her name, but hasn’t Flo Jo been linked of at least heavily suspected of roids use? Especially after her phenomenal weight increase. Wish I could find the before/after pics to show you.

The comparison with Marion Jones is not just on the speed level…[/quote]

not gonna say i don’t agree. just wanted to stick to the facts (flo jo never failed a drug test) and didn’t see the need to contribute to rumors about someone who is no longer with us. however, juice or no juice, the point is 100m and 200m world records are broken in HUNDRETHS of seconds. flo jo broke them in TENTHS of seconds and holds them to this day. if illegal drugs were used, all that really means is that she was competeing on an even playing field with today’s athletes.

unbelieveable.

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[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Not to trash her name, but hasn’t Flo Jo been linked of at least heavily suspected of roids use? Especially after her phenomenal weight increase. Wish I could find the before/after pics to show you.

The comparison with Marion Jones is not just on the speed level…[/quote]

not gonna say i don’t agree. just wanted to stick to the facts (flo jo never failed a drug test) and didn’t see the need to contribute to rumors about someone who is no longer with us. however, juice or no juice, the point is 100m and 200m world records are broken in HUNDRETHS of seconds. flo jo broke them in TENTHS of seconds and holds them to this day. if illegal drugs were used, all that really means is that she was competeing an an even playing field with today’s athletes.

unbelieveable.

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I see two different things when comparing these women:

a. Flow Jo is lighweight and flies with high energy.

b. Marion Jones is a powerhouse and gushes with explosive power.

They are both unbelivable in their own right - have you checked the sheer size of Marion Jones’ thighs? How can you run fast having to lift those things at top speed?

What happened to Flow Jo?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
They are both unbelivable in their own right - have you checked the sheer size of Marion Jones’ thighs? How can you run fast having to lift those things at top speed?
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Function precedes form. Powerful hip flexors is the answer.

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[quote]boomerlu wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
They are both unbelivable in their own right - have you checked the sheer size of Marion Jones’ thighs? How can you run fast having to lift those things at top speed?

Function precedes form. Powerful hip flexors is the answer.
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I need help with that. I don’t know where you are coming from.

I thought form is function.

Are you saying that the form of her powerful hip flexors allows for the functioning (lift) of the massive form of her thighs?

Powerful hip flexors = #1 form which performs 1 function.

Powerful massive thighs = #2 form which performs another function.

So, in effect I see two different forms performing two different functions to deliver one massive action/function = explosive power at top speed.

Am I wrong? How do you see it?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I see two different things when comparing these women:

a. Flow Jo is lighweight and flies with high energy.

b. Marion Jones is a powerhouse and gushes with explosive power.

They are both unbelivable in their own right - have you checked the sheer size of Marion Jones’ thighs? How can you run fast having to lift those things at top speed?

What happened to Flow Jo?

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so you’re saying large quads are a hinderance in sprinting events?

hmmm…

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What happened to Flo Jo?

She failed the ultimate drug test when she died of a heart seizure at age 38.

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Screw them both. My favorite goes to Gail Devers

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http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/7/f/7f90f-celeb_b[1].gif

[quote]DadeCounty wrote:

so you’re saying large quads are a hinderance in sprinting events?

hmmm…

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No, I was just wondering how she does it because compared to ohter FEMALES she is as big as a man. When you look at her size next to other women it looks like a man has been put in the race by mistake.

I tried to upload a picture but it wouldn’t let me…I will try again.

Men have testosterone levels imcomparable with women to power their muscle mass. For a woman to be that big and fast is amazing.

It’s her quads and hips. She is huge for a woman, don’t you think?

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[quote]S-Lifter wrote:
What happened to Flo Jo?

She failed the ultimate drug test when she died of a heart seizure at age 38.

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Wow. Thanks for that link.

It just shows that if you are going to drug yourself you better be bigger then what you’re taking.

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[quote]S-Lifter wrote:
What happened to Flo Jo?

She failed the ultimate drug test when she died of a heart seizure at age 38.

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I’m sorry, but I fail to see how that Flo Jo’s death was akin to “failing the ultimate drug test”. Maybe she had hereditary issues related to her heart like the Mentzer brothers. I know you said this in jest, but still…

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Unless she had a serious coke habit there’s no reason to think performance enhancers had anything to do with her death.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
Unless she had a serious coke habit there’s no reason to think performance enhancers had anything to do with her death.[/quote]

Wouldn’t ephedra also make her “pop”?

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
etaco wrote:
Unless she had a serious coke habit there’s no reason to think performance enhancers had anything to do with her death.

Wouldn’t ephedra also make her “pop”?

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I know how much I would take for performance enhancement and it was well within the bounds of safety. Remember that she died several years after retirement as well, so it wouldn’t be an acute od situation. They may well have been testing for that in the 80s anyway though.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
etaco wrote:
Unless she had a serious coke habit there’s no reason to think performance enhancers had anything to do with her death.

Wouldn’t ephedra also make her “pop”?

I know how much I would take for performance enhancement and it was well within the bounds of safety. Remember that she died several years after retirement as well, so it wouldn’t be an acute od situation. They may well have been testing for that in the 80s anyway though.[/quote]

It has been said before that drug testing in the 80s was a relative joke…up until Ben Johnson pissed hot at the '88 Olympics…quite frankly, if today’s baseball players are all under a cloud of suspicion, you can draw the same parallel to track athletes of the 80s(and 90s…and this decade as well)

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Sorry let me clarify. That whole form/function thing was kind of dumb.

Hip flexors let you move the legs up. Hip extensors let you move the legs back to actually run. Besides the glutes, these muscles are all in the leg anyways. And I recall Berardi mentioning that for each pound of muscle can generate 15 pounds of tension.

So the massive leg is a functional one. Massive front for the powerful hip flexors to move the leg up, quads for stability and balance, and extensors to drive off.

The difference from bodybuilders is the training. Train slow and be slow. Train fast and be fast.

It’s interesting since I’ve been doing sprint work all summer. At medium speeds, my hip flexors aren’t taxed. However at high speeds, my hip flexors can’t keep up the repetition speed needed. I never realized that hip flexors can make such a difference.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:
boomerlu wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
They are both unbelivable in their own right - have you checked the sheer size of Marion Jones’ thighs? How can you run fast having to lift those things at top speed?

Function precedes form. Powerful hip flexors is the answer.

I need help with that. I don’t know where you are coming from.

I thought form is function.

Are you saying that the form of her powerful hip flexors allows for the functioning (lift) of the massive form of her thighs?

Powerful hip flexors = #1 form which performs 1 function.

Powerful massive thighs = #2 form which performs another function.

So, in effect I see two different forms performing two different functions to deliver one massive action/function = explosive power at top speed.

Am I wrong? How do you see it?

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