Flame Free Confession III: Even More Flame Free (Part 1)

For me the running itself wasn’t enjoyable, it was hard work. But getting out for 2 hours on my own in the country or on a trial by the coast was enjoyable, or running track with the running club and the challenge of keeping up was enjoyable.

Which one? They both seem ridiculous to me. ‘Good’ to me means worth the effort. I love food and compared to running, just not eating a comparable amount of calories is much much easier.

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You have a fair point. If you define good as high calories burnt in a short time then running is not a bad choice. Surely any exercise can be defined as good when the criteria is ‘worth the effort’ it just depends how desperate you are.

Really? Competition was the worst part of xc for me

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Well then if I accumulate the thousands of hours spent lifting to barely look like I lift… is it worth it? I am jesting but this is a borderline nihilist @T3hPwnisher argument ahah

Running isnt’t THAT bad. Or at least, it’s short. At my weight and intensity I burned 350 cals in 20 mins. That’s good. Cycling would be half that

Have you tried being fat? That way you burn more calories running and get to eat back more food.

That’s a decent pace. Not phenomenal or anything but with no practice in a while it’s definitely good.

EDIT: I didn’t say “not phenomenal” to make it clear I’m not impressed or anything, haha. I am.

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Of course it’s nothing crazy. I was just happy and surprised, I thought I would be in worse shape hehe and it wasn’t even that hard.

This is a good indicator pace though because it is the minimum recquired to pass at the end of the Gendarme academy (3kms in 15 mins)

I have. Did not enjoy. Would not recommend.

I used to be 60 pounds of fat heavier and was running all the time. It sucked. Everything sucked.

I’ve had the blessing to have never been fat - a bit out of shape (for me) but never fat.

@aldebaran @Pinkylifting - Curious what led you to make the changes necessary to lose the weight and get improve your health/physique? Both mentally and with your habits.

Also any insight into WHY you were fat to begin with would be interesting as well.

I simply grew up chubby and always had a big appetite, always had seconds, never felt full and never said no to food. Despite being active I was simply out eating whatever I did.

What led me to change was I hated being fat, as simple as that.

The changes I made were first lifting more weights, with more and more weight, more and more volume, desperately trying to outwork my diet. I got some good recomp, in that I put on muscle while maintaining the same amount of fat.

Eventually, and that took longer than I care to admit, I realised weight loss was all diet and cleaned that up, got a deficit sorted and got lean. My poison of choice was Keto, worked very well for me and still does when I can commit to being compliant.

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Was chubby as a kid, then skinny as a teen. Never had much confidence but honestly didn’t care about my body that much. I was between 72 to 75 kgs at 185cm. Then I started playing american football with my friends. It had done me lots of good, after a 5 year hiatus without sports, when i was very sporty as a kid.

Anyway after the first year, I wanted to get BIG. Never wanted to join a gym, was just training at home, some push-ups, dips, a dumbbell… But one of my football friend convinced me to try. We were under the wing of a gym rat, and during the summer I trained like crazy (20 h a week) and ate like crazy. Came back in september 16 kgs heavier. My teammates were shocked.

Anyway I went into a spiral of getting bigger. I was cursed with the young, “bulking googles” and just kept being bigger and fatter. Up to 110kgs. Things ended with my GF and I said yeah I’m too fat.

T’was not a matter of training since I’ve always trained super hard (even though, as years pass by and mind-muscle/technique improve I train harder and harder) so I changed my diet. I started going back to school (Communication bachelor) and having a routine, a schedule, waking up at 6 and going home from practice at 23. Started reading T-nation around that time, or just before. The nutrition articles helped me. Lots of greek yogurts, lean hams and “conserves” were eaten. Started training the Thibaudeau way which was smarter (The power look, then 915 etc)

Shrunk to 95 kgs and being nimbler with my strength, my eprformance on the fields was WAAAY better. My proudest achievement was that. I was one of the lightest linemen of the championship and one of the best (rivaled with French national team)

Anyway after I broke my second knee I dropped football, and lost more weight and I’m there even since. Took me time to find a diet that a like and is low calorie and filling but that’s the secret.

I completely relate to this.

Learning it was ok to be hungry was huge.

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I think embracing hunger was the final step between losing weight and actually getting ‘lean’.

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Same with me. I was 96lbs as a 140cm 3rd grader. The difference is, the leaner I got, the less I cared about being hungry. I never “embraced it”, I just decided it wasn’t worth thinking about most of the time. of course, if there’s good meat around, I could easily put down a kilo or two

Keto would 100% make me fat since I have a much easier time overeating meat/fat than carbs. It always makes me laugh when people on the internet say “just eat clean. When’s the last time you’ve binged on chicken breast”

Did Keto a few years ago, great for leaning out, was thinking of doing it again for a while. Being an ex-fatty made me a carbophobe. But since I’ve reintroduced more carbs in my life I’ve been gaining more muscle. So I don’t know

How do you manage to binge on chicken breast? Its so dry absent some added fat.

There have defintiely been times where I’ve gone for portion after portion of plain grilled chicken breast despite being very full

You very much seem a fan of sadness.

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