[quote]Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.[/quote]
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.
[quote]will to power wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.[/quote]
Theo Van Gogh?
Paris 2005?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
But hey, I might be wrong.
You sure might.
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I highly doubt it.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Theo Van Gogh? [/quote]
Mohammed Boukheri, the guy who assassinated Van Gogh, unambiguously stated that he had absolutely no remorse, and would do it all together if he got the chance. I’m sure you could torture him for years without any chance of changing his mind on the fact that he’s on some Earthly mission to kill “the enemies of Allah”. To say that a 15 minutes clip would have effect on him is ludicrous.
It wasn’t just Paris. The violence spread to all metropolises (no pun intended). I should know, I was there. Everybody, from university students torching libraries and laboratories, to homeless people breaking buses, people of all colors and religions were at it. France is 1/3 Atheist (with a big A!). A proportion that you’ll have trouble finding elsewhere. The French are proud of this, and it is idiotic to think that the couple of percents representing the Muslim population in the country would spontaneously unite and create enough momentum to disrupt the country. That is plain silly.
The French Republic was built on civil disobedience and, every once in a while, the people challenge their government to make sure the rights their ancestors fought for are not swept under the rug. The riots of 2005 were such a case.
Traditionally, France is a country where the president has tremendous powers. This was made even more the case with the advent of the Fifth Republic and De Gaulle’s rise to power. For the past 13 years, Versailles was home to the Right Wing, and with “little Nico”, it’ll be there for at least 6 more years. This created a sentiment of abandonment which was expressed in rioting. If you must categorize the people behind the event, I suggest you look into the jobless.
Blaming Muslims is as idiotic as some punk ass Asian blaming the palpable tension in the flavelas on Catholicism.
Bottomline, Wilder’s video has about as much chance of curbing violence, as your Asian friend has of sporting 19" arms. In fact, if nothing else, it may push some Muslims to demonstrate their anger and discontent.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Sounds like the Jews could teach the Muslim community a thing or 10 about how to respond to inflammatory material that deals with one’s “counterpart.” [/quote]
Trust me, they got a lot more things to teach the uneducated masses of Muslims than “how to respond to inflammatory material”.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The Hindus still have 10,797 terrorist attacks since 9/11 to catch up to the Muslims.
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Correct.
Nice to bitch about an incident in Napal, when you’ve got the whole Hindu, Muslim thing going on over the Kashmir Region. How many Muslim terrorist attacks happened in India alone over the past 10 years compared to ones in Nepal?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Sounds like the Jews could teach the Muslim community a thing or 10 about how to respond to inflammatory material that deals with one’s “counterpart.”
Trust me, they got a lot more things to teach the uneducated masses of Muslims than “how to respond to inflammatory material”.[/quote]
They are called Madrassas.
-edit, sorry, read it wrong.
but I am sure that Muslims are taught how to respond to inflamitory material in Madrassas.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
Theo Van Gogh?
Mohammed Boukheri, the guy who assassinated Van Gogh, unambiguously stated that he had absolutely no remorse, and would do it all together if he got the chance. I’m sure you could torture him for years without any chance of changing his mind on the fact that he’s on some Earthly mission to kill “the enemies of Allah”. To say that a 15 minutes clip would have effect on him is ludicrous.
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Who said the film would have an effect on him, Sikkario merely pointed him out to show that Muslims in Europe were indeed acting as portrayed in this film.
The film quotes several European Muslims and even gives their sound bites. How can anyone say many of them do not think this way?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The Hindus still have 10,797 terrorist attacks since 9/11 to catch up to the Muslims.
Correct.
Nice to bitch about an incident in Napal, when you’ve got the whole Hindu, Muslim thing going on over the Kashmir Region. How many Muslim terrorist attacks happened in India alone over the past 10 years compared to ones in Nepal?[/quote]
I’m sorry, who exactly is it that bitched about the “incident” (I’m not even going to comment on your choice of terms here)?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Sounds like the Jews could teach the Muslim community a thing or 10 about how to respond to inflammatory material that deals with one’s “counterpart.”
Trust me, they got a lot more things to teach the uneducated masses of Muslims than “how to respond to inflammatory material”.
They are called Madrassas.
-edit, sorry, read it wrong. [/quote]
See…you’re falling into reflexive-mode, whereby contradicting me trumps everything else.
Get your head out of the gutter for a bit, and you might realize that besides the US’ self-declared right to meddle in other people’s affairs, we agree on almost everything else.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Who said the film would have an effect on him, Sikkario merely pointed him out to show that Muslims in Europe were indeed acting as portrayed in this film.
The film quotes several European Muslims and even gives their sound bites. How can anyone say many of them do not think this way?[/quote]
If you must speak for other people, the least you can do is read what they wrote.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.[/quote]
In other international reactions…
[i]Dutch parliamentarians of the largest political parties, Pieter van Geel (CDA), Mariëtte Hamer (PvdA) and Mark Rutte (VVD) stated that it is sad that the film does not present any solutions to current problems in the Dutch society - integration of Muslim immigrants and Muslim extremism - and invited Mr. Wilders to discuss possible solutions in the parliament.
The Norwegian government (Labour Party) sharply distanced itself from the movie. Secretary of state Raymond Johansen from the Norwegian Foreign Ministry said in a statement to the newspaper Dagsavisen that “Wilders attempts to promote a content which contributes to hatred and suspicion. I profoundly disagree with the content, and I sharply distance myself from it.”
The European Union�??s Slovenian presidency also attacked the film, commenting it served �??no other purpose than inflaming hatred.�??
David Miliband, British Foreign Minister, stressed the importance of freedom of speech but said it should be combined with �??respect for religious and racial diversity.�??
Europe�??s top human rights authority, the Strasbourg-based Council of Europe, called the film �??a distasteful manipulation which exploits ignorance, prejudice and fear�??.[/i]
Here’s the Arab European League’s rebuttal.
The conversation went like this:
Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.
will to power wrote:
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.
Theo Van Gogh?
Paris 2005?
This was brought up to show that indeed Muslims were acting violent PRIOR to the film’s release.
Perhaps you are falling into reflexive mode also.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
The conversation went like this:
Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.
will to power wrote:
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.
Theo Van Gogh?
Paris 2005? [/quote]
Yes. And WTP’s point stands. The people who acted violently would have done so regardless of the 15 mns video. Clear enough for you?
Either go ahead and make an actual argument or keep quiet until Sikkario develops his.
Fair enough.
Let Sikkario sort this all out.
edit- or maybe look up what the word “PRIOR” means.
I agree. It’s almost as if they’re acting out of some divine mandate found in their religious texts.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
The Hindus still have 10,797 terrorist attacks since 9/11 to catch up to the Muslims.
Correct.
Nice to bitch about an incident in Napal, when you’ve got the whole Hindu, Muslim thing going on over the Kashmir Region. How many Muslim terrorist attacks happened in India alone over the past 10 years compared to ones in Nepal?[/quote]
Come on Gkhan, you’re better than stooping to this sort of argument. It would be like me saying you can’t bitch about the 9/11 attacks because Americans have targeted and killed more civilians than that. Both arguments are unsound.