[quote]will to power wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.[/quote]
Since when did 15 minute movies give license to act violent?
I’ve never seen an atheist spend so much time defending Islam before.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
will to power wrote:
Sikkario wrote:
So the film is having a positive effect.
In that is portrays Muslims in the West as violent, it encourages them to be non-violent to slough the stereotype.
Those Muslims were not acting violent prior to the films release.
Since when did 15 minute movies give license to act violent?
I’ve never seen an atheist spend so much time defending Islam before.[/quote]
As always, I’m defending Muslims.
[quote]will to power wrote:
Come on Gkhan, you’re better than stooping to this sort of argument. It would be like me saying you can’t bitch about the 9/11 attacks because Americans have targeted and killed more civilians than that. Both arguments are unsound.[/quote]
Ok, you are correct.
But what was the point of bringing this up? Did the movie cause this terrorist attack? I do not understand what it has to do with the topic other than attempt to divert attention from Islamic terrorist acts.
I’m sick of people telling me not to believe what I see with my own lying eyes. It’s insulting.
This is a weak argument.
It’s favela btw, but they were burning Catholic churches, try doing that in Puerto Rico and see what happens. If you think what they did in Fallujah was bad wait until you see what would happen to little "Mohamed, the whiny misunderstood Syrian in “Produit De Le Banliue, who is protesting French society, by torching a 2,000 year old Catholic church. Whose whole dumbass family is on welfare and buys into radical Islam because he is a senior in secondary and still trying to pass pre-algebra.”
If he tried burning a church in Puerto Rico. Woooooo.
Europeans are pussies end of story.
If you burned a Mosque in Netherlands in street mobs, see what happens.
Frenchies just watch their country’s most ancient buildings, get torched by some irrational immigrants and sit by, and transfer blame to some kind of an LA riots poverty vs power style replay.
They didn’t bust up any churches in LA, but they did in Paris and other cities.
That guy also happened to be a muslim, living in the netherlands, and not Muqtada Al Sadr’s kid brother.
Despite the fact, that Bush has caused our country to fucking collapse and people talk hard about him, and many elude to killing him.
Noone has tried or done it, to think some native Dutch man was killed by some random immigrant “who doesn’t represent the whole community.” Is fucking stupid, alot of people supported his actions and were thrilled by it. If his actions don’t show an overt intolerance, I don’t really know what does.
I don’t have a fine tuned argument, I’m not saying, ALL MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT, or ALL MUSLIMS IN THE WEST ARE VIOLENT.
I’m just commenting on the happenings of Muslims themselves in Europe and their own assertions and actions.
I don’t need to villify them, their community represents itself that way.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
will to power wrote:
As always, I’m defending Muslims.
As opposed to defending the truth?[/quote]
I was referring specifically to my previous discussions with Caldude on Islam. As in in these discussions I’m defending the people, I don’t feel the need to defend the religion.
[quote]Here’s the Arab European League’s rebuttal.
http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related [/quote]
Wow. That was just about the worst rebuttal I’ve ever seen.
They tried to avert the anger on Jews and Zionism, showin their own intolerance lol.
Then they used clips of them burning down Paris and being fuck tards and having to be suppressed by riot police as if Muslims have to be oppressed.
Muslims are drinking their own bathwater too much man.
If that is their official rebuttal, and as PC as they can get, I think they are delusional and too far gone to be reasoned with.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
will to power wrote:
Come on Gkhan, you’re better than stooping to this sort of argument. It would be like me saying you can’t bitch about the 9/11 attacks because Americans have targeted and killed more civilians than that. Both arguments are unsound.
Ok, you are correct.
But what was the point of bringing this up? Did the movie cause this terrorist attack? I do not understand what it has to do with the topic other than attempt to divert attention from Islamic terrorist acts.
[/quote]
You must have missed the part where practically the whole world said that the video served no other purpose than to vilify Muslims and may incite violence against them.
You may know better than to buy Wilders’ thesis, but some uneducated sod whose only interaction with Muslims was the guy named Ahmed who bullied him in school might not. I’m certain there is a substantial portion of viewers who bought the film line, hook and sinker.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Here’s the Arab European League’s rebuttal.
In large part, nothing more than an ad homonym attack.
When people stop beheading, blowing themselves up, and flying planes into buildings in in the name of Islam, this film MIGHT find some resonance.
The people who made this ought to work on their English skills.[/quote]
In their defense, they had a few hours to scrape it together. But I agree that calling it sub-par would be an understatement.
Well, it wasn’t an ad for homonyms nor synonyms. But I suppose that, a lot of Arabs, wouldn’t be caught dead associating with this so-called league.
One question though: How can they (or I for that matter) stop people beheading, blowing shit up and flying planes into buildings? I mean, statistically speaking, a Muslim is a lot more likely to die in one of “their” attacks than you. Be constructive.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I don’t have a fine tuned argument, I’m not saying, ALL MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT, or ALL MUSLIMS IN THE WEST ARE VIOLENT.
I’m just commenting on the happenings of Muslims themselves in Europe and their own assertions and actions.
I don’t need to villify them, their community represents itself that way.[/quote]
Right on.
[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Blaming Muslims is as idiotic as some punk ass Asian blaming the palpable tension in the flavelas on Catholicism.
This is a weak argument.
It’s favela btw, but they were burning Catholic churches, [/quote]
Not quite. They burnt one Catholic church on the 20th day of the rioting. One week earlier, three firebombs were detonated in a mosque by the same protesters.
But I guess nobody ever told you that.
Why would I?
Well, as long as you’re correcting my Portuguese, I might as well correct your French. It’s banlieue.
Like I said, France is unique in that sense. The people are used to taking things to the streets. Torched cars is a very common occurrence in said banlieues, as is police brutality, antisemitism, poverty and all the rest.
I’m not sure our resident Europeans would agree.
Look, kiddo, if you must engage in such debates, the least you can do is refrain from making an ass of yourself by speaking about what you don’t know.
Dozens of mosques were burnt or attacked in the Netherlands in the past five years alone. A good proportion of Dutch people, wants to see mosques and the Quran banned from their country. So please, keep your insights to what you know.
Irrational yes. Immigrant no. Read up the French civil code.
They did? In Paris? Are you sure?
[quote]That guy also happened to be a muslim, living in the netherlands, and not Muqtada Al Sadr’s kid brother.
Despite the fact, that Bush has caused our country to fucking collapse and people talk hard about him, and many elude to killing him.
Noone has tried or done it, to think some native Dutch man was killed by some random immigrant “who doesn’t represent the whole community.” Is fucking stupid, alot of people supported his actions and were thrilled by it. If his actions don’t show an overt intolerance, I don’t really know what does.
I don’t have a fine tuned argument, I’m not saying, ALL MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT, or ALL MUSLIMS IN THE WEST ARE VIOLENT.
I’m just commenting on the happenings of Muslims themselves in Europe and their own assertions and actions.
I don’t need to villify them, their community represents itself that way.[/quote]
This is incomprehensible. Clean up the thoughts in your own head, before trying to pass 'em on to others.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Here we go…
Two die in Nepal mosque bombing
[i]Two people have been killed and at least one more injured after a mosque was bombed in Nepal’s second biggest city, Biratnagar.
Reports say two men on a motorcycle hurled four bombs at the Choti mosque during evening prayers on Saturday.
Three of the devices exploded, and two of the people who were seriously injured died on their way to hospital.
A shadowy Hindu extremist group - the Nepal Defence Army - said in a statement it carried out the attack.
The group first emerged more than a year ago, saying it was fighting to preserve Nepal’s old status as a Hindu state.
An indefinite curfew has been imposed in the district.
Most of Nepal’s small Muslim minority live in the southern plains, where Biratnagar is situated.
For many months the region has seen ethnic tensions, with numerous antagonistic factions emerging.
Violence grounded in religion is rare, but some Hindu nationalists have threatened that it will increase because, they say, there is widespread resentment over Nepal being declared a secular state.
Nepal’s monarchy is closely bound-up with Hinduism. But after King Gyanendra’s royal government fell in 2006 the restored parliament declared the country secular.
Political violence has been steadily rising in the run-up to elections due in less than two weeks. [/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7321186.stm[/quote]
My question is what does this article have to do with Fitna: The Movie?
Man this forum is masturbation.
Lixy wins, I just debate on here cuz I’m bored.
I don’t really give a fuck what happens in the Netherlands or to some dumbass fat dutch dork who makes movies.
I’m gonna go study and try to fuck some more muslim girls with my pork and alcohol tainted lips.
Lord knows how many Jewish girls I’ve already banged.
I just find shit like that entertained.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Even you agree, huh? [/quote]
Duh! It’s a really sad state of affairs when the spokespeople for Arabs in Europe can’t hold an argument without plunging into “look, the Jews are worse!”.
So, what you’re saying is that Muslims should not only feel responsible for the actions of the criminals, but also generate enough noise that it reaches your ears as well as demonstrate sincerity (whatever that means)?
I won’t hold my breath if I were you.
And you’ve been a great audience. I’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.
I do. But I learn more here. I’m egoistic in that way.
You can’t seriously be comparing the two!
My criticism is very constructive. To reiterate:
a) Keep your military to yourself,
b) Don’t hand out billions of dollars to dictators (I’m sure you can use 'em for your own people),
c) Take care of your borders,
d) Follow the Golden Rule.
→ Vote for the people who promise all the above, or come close.
It’s simple really. All you have to do is get educated on each candidate’s position, and show up on ballot-day.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
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Ok. If you can’t make the distinction between the actions of a democratic government (with American taxpayers’ money) and a bunch of criminal kooks who claim to be of the faith, I don’t see the point in pursuing this conversation.
You’re challenging what I consider a fundamental truth.