Did I read Shugart correctly? He’s recommending 6g a day of each EPA and DHA?
At that dosage, you would consume a $20, 236ml bottle of oil almost every week! Seems a bit fishy?..
[quote]Kevin_Kane wrote:
Did I read Shugart correctly? He?s recommending 6g a day of each EPA and DHA?
At that dosage, you would consume a $20, 236ml bottle of oil almost every week! Seems a bit fishy?..
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I’m not sure what CS said about dosing, but I don’t think it was 6gms each (that’s excessive).
More likely, he was suggesting either 6gms total fish oil OR 6gms TOTAL EPA/DHA (i.e. combined/day). I usually average between 3-6gms aggregate DHA/EPA per day.
Is it really worth taking Fish Oil and Flax Seed Oil supplements? I can’t afford the super expensive stuff like Surge and Grow! but I was looking for something to take in addition to Centrum. I just started working out and am doing The Beginners Blast Off Program by Chris Shugart and I want to do it right so I can get the most gain from working out.
[quote]Reverend Sin wrote:
Is it really worth taking Fish Oil and Flax Seed Oil supplements? I can’t afford the super expensive stuff like Surge and Grow! but I was looking for something to take in addition to Centrum. I just started working out and am doing The Beginners Blast Off Program by Chris Shugart and I want to do it right so I can get the most gain from working out.[/quote]
Rev
My .02 is they are very much worth it. I don’t know your age, but even that makes little diff.
You can get good products very inexpensively over the net. Seeing as I don’t believe our sponsors make such a product I would steer you to pro-source or vitamin shop. Maybe $10-20 per month depending on dosage taken.
I’m not so sure on the rec. dosage. I thought I read somewhere that a single dose should total around 700 for EPA/DHA. Suggested to take two to three servings a day.
A great value, and quite underrated supp. IMO.
Here’s the deal: I’m all for best brands when it matters. TRIBEX or Alpha Male being examples. But Fish Oil isn’t RIBEX. It’s a pretty simple process.
Extrapolating that to TRIBEX just doesn’t make sense. TRIBEX is a highly engineered psuedo-drug. Fish oil is… fish oil.
Granted, get a good quality, and Consumer Lab helps with that. But don’t get real anal about it. It’s freakin fish oil. If some company hasn’t figured out how to mass produce quality fish oil at low prices, then I think it’s going to show up in the general quality of the product at someplace like Consumer Lab.
TRIBEX or Alpha Male? Yes, something like that I’m only going to buy from someone I trust. But get your fish oil at Costco and don’t worry about it.
And for what it’s worth, the enteric version of Costco’s fish oil is 240mg and 200mg per capsule. The enteric coating helps the potency substantially.
[quote]michaelv wrote:
And for what it’s worth, the enteric version of Costco’s fish oil is 240mg and 200mg per capsule. The enteric coating helps the potency substantially.[/quote]
How does enteric coating help the potency?
The potency is what it is. Enteric coating may or may not increase bioavailability, but I’ve never heard anyone claim bioavailabilty was an issue with fish oil.
Then enteric coated brand from Costco has a higher potency, too.
EPA 240
DHA 200
I think.
Quit debating this topic. It makes no difference. Save some money, and buy your fish oil @ costco or sam’s club. That’s where Berardi, Lowery, and the other experts get theirs.
Sorry, bioavailability is what I meant, thanks.
But at the same time, the quoted potency is quite good, compared to some other fish oil caps I’ve compared it against.
21 years old, 6’2" 192lbs I’ve been doing Muay Thai Kickboxing and Pankration for a year now but I wanted to bulk up a bit more and add like 13 pounds or so of muscle mass. I seem to be really small for my size and I’d never been in a gym before last week. (Our MMA Fight Training has little to do with conventional weights, squats are your partner on your back which varies from 150-210lbs and then other sport specific exercises).
I do have two abdominal hernias that I have had for 4 years, they said they couldn’t operate on them until they tore all the way across and they didn’t know when that would be.
Not sure if I Should start my own topic or not but I’ve been lurking and browsing for about a year now but never had the chance to get into a gym and my diet wasn’t controllable until recently. (Lived in chaotic household working 14 hours a day, consumed maybe 1000 calories a day until I went into diabetic shock from too much working out and not enough food)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Only Fish Oil I could find has 180 EPA and 120 DHA, picked up Safeway brand because it was buy one get one free (120 capsules for 6$) so I just take one of them three times a day with a meal? Nothing else special?
[quote]Reverend Sin wrote:
Only Fish Oil I could find has 180 EPA and 120 DHA, picked up Safeway brand because it was buy one get one free (120 capsules for 6$) so I just take one of them three times a day with a meal? Nothing else special?[/quote]
I would say take 2 caps two or three times a day. Also try to take them earlier in the day. Breakfast, snack, and then lunch would work nicely.
If cost is an issue–1 is better than none. By the way, this is fairly standard dosage from store bought-get the biggest container possible to help minimize cost.
Ok, I’m going to look for larger quantities next time I’m out so I dont’ spend so much on them.
Also, I work out in the morning, 15 minutes running then whatever is called for regarding exercises from the Beginners Blast Off Program. Should I take one before, one after and then one a bit later in the day? I’ve been doing it on an empty stomach because I was told that running during the hot part of the day (in Hawaii every part of the day is hot…) on an empty stomach would get you shredded a lot faster. I know most people here look down on running from a bodybuilding standpoint but I train MMA and endurance and cardio are a must.
Should I run before or after my workout and should I eat before or after? I always figured running before would loosen up my muscles and get the blood flowing better, and I stretch out after I get done running as I’m working on increasing flexibility. Food usually comes after in the form of oatmeal, yogurt, and sometimes a bananna.
[quote]Reverend Sin wrote:
Ok, I’m going to look for larger quantities next time I’m out so I dont’ spend so much on them.
Also, I work out in the morning, 15 minutes running then whatever is called for regarding exercises from the Beginners Blast Off Program. Should I take one before, one after and then one a bit later in the day? I’ve been doing it on an empty stomach because I was told that running during the hot part of the day (in Hawaii every part of the day is hot…) on an empty stomach would get you shredded a lot faster. I know most people here look down on running from a bodybuilding standpoint but I train MMA and endurance and cardio are a must.
Should I run before or after my workout and should I eat before or after? I always figured running before would loosen up my muscles and get the blood flowing better, and I stretch out after I get done running as I’m working on increasing flexibility. Food usually comes after in the form of oatmeal, yogurt, and sometimes a bananna.[/quote]
It is generally believed that aerobic activity early in the am on an empty stomach burns more fat. I’m not 100% sold on this, but empirical evidence is high. I say at least put down 20-30g og Grow! before working out to help aid in muscle retention. Mixed with water would be better than milk early am.
I would wait until after workout to then take your first fish oil serving.
Check to see if you have any irritability.
Cardio before or after weights depends onyour goals. From what I hear you say, cardio before works for you so why change. If you go the route of more muscle, switch your cardio to after or at least lighten the intensity so it is truly more of a warm-up. Your post workout nutrition looks ok, though I would try to include more protein.
[quote]vandalay15 wrote:
Quit debating this topic. It makes no difference. Save some money, and buy your fish oil @ costco or sam’s club. That’s where Berardi, Lowery, and the other experts get theirs.[/quote]
I respect the opinions of Berardi and Lowery, but nobody should follow them blindly.
It’s foolish to claim that the brand, potency, ratio EPA/DHA doesn’t make a difference.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
It is generally believed that aerobic activity early in the am on an empty stomach burns more fat. I’m not 100% sold on this, but empirical evidence is high. I say at least put down 20-30g og Grow! before working out to help aid in muscle retention. Mixed with water would be better than milk early am.
I would wait until after workout to then take your first fish oil serving.
Check to see if you have any irritability.
Cardio before or after weights depends onyour goals. From what I hear you say, cardio before works for you so why change. If you go the route of more muscle, switch your cardio to after or at least lighten the intensity so it is truly more of a warm-up. Your post workout nutrition looks ok, though I would try to include more protein.
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I really wanted to get Grow! and Surge because I’m trying to increase my protein intake but my fiancee and I are poor college students living in Hawaii and we’d both be taking it, so that tends to hit our budget real hard. I can’t remember but I think we would have had to buy 2 bottles each every month of Grow! and another 2 or so of Surge and thats a lot of money. So far I just take Centrum, L-Lysine, and now the Fish Oil and Flax Seed Oil I bought last night.
And 15 minutes of running at 7MPH is a warm up 
I need to work up to a half hour at 8-9MPH if not higher though so I can really get my stamina up for competition. Gotta be able to at least last 3 5 minute rounds for MMA.
Right now we are doing running for 15 minutes every morning Mon-Fri with the Blast Off Program, incorporated the “Back to Basics” to help us with our Pullups, and I do my MMA Fight Training Mon-Wed-Fri as well which is mostly sport-specific training. I try and keep my diet as healthy as possible but I’m trying to eat more so I can bulk up a bit and that’s not easy on a college-budget lol
I hear ya re: budget brother. Do what you can. At your age just eat what you can, try to optimize certain timing parameters that will aid your results.
Good luck. Keep working hard.
ChrisKing,
I’m not following them blindly. I’m merely pointing out that they buy fish oil with their own money. They have more knowledge regarding what goes into their body than most everyone. They preach the benefits of fish oil supplementation constantly. So when they post what brands they use, don’t you think they might be sure the brand they’re using is of high quality? I don’t see them picking some brand that is horribly inferior, paying for it with their own money, while the brand is inferior. This would be a waste of money to them, and it would also hurt their credibility/reputation if everyone sees they’re recommending an inferior brand.
chrisking continued,
They have no incentive to recommend fish oil from costco or sam’s club. If Biotest made a fish oil supplement and they recommended it(which they would because it would be different than generic fish oil somehow, probably a few minor details added, higher concentration of EPA/DHA, etc.), and I immediately switched to the Biotest brand even though it cost 2-3 times as much as generic fish oil from costco, THAT would be following them blindly. I’m just saving some money because worrying about what brand of fish oil one uses is quite insignificant in the overall scheme of things, just as worrying about using whey protein isolate vs. concentrate is.