He is definitely a fan! All anecdotal reports say it’s strong AF. As soon as the source I’m using gets some in stock I will be buying some.
I have heard nothing but good things about it. Not just from Iron Yuppie but from others as well. I have not used a lot of compounds, but so far nandrolone definitely “takes the cake” with regards to mass building in my experience. And it’s not even close, not even tren. I got really strong on tren and recomped, but NPP I couldn’t not gain muscle. Even running more or less maintenance cals.
So to say MENT is stronger (which I do believe him, I just find it shocking) is pretty crazy to me
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I’ll put it this way: for the last 10 weeks I have not been on a dose that’s higher than 2.5mg/d. I eat like someone who kinda sorta knows what he’s doing but also has zero discipline. My scale weight is the exact same as 10 weeks ago, but measurements of arms/chest/shoulder/back have all gone up and my pants fit the same. So without any real discipline and while mostly fucking around without any purpose other than discovery I have mildly recomped on a low dose. Imagine what you can do if you eat right and take a big boy amount.
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What would you consider running for a full on mass gaining expenditure
I have heard of some BIG guys running 50 mg EOD. I am not sure how long you could keep that up with it being toxic
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I’m currently on week 3. 1-2 were 25mg EOD. This week has been 50mg EOD. I am not a “big boy” but I seem to need a little more gear for some reason. Strength has consistently gone up along with feeling of well being. Weight has pretty much remained between 194-196. I def look better in the mirror so don’t really care about the scale. I feel and look a bit fuller. People have noticed. Veins are a poppin!! Will be going for bloodwork in a few weeks to see where I am at. I will most likely stop around 6-7 weeks. This was kind of a trial run to see if I want to use this later in the year for putting on some weight. So far except for the PIP it’s been good.
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Are you running test as well? If so, how much?
25mg is a great big time starting dose. Because it’s acetate you can move the dose up or down and see the results (side effects wise) within days.
Yes. I’m running my TRT dose of 135mg/week and 600mg/week EQ.
I’ll also add i’m eating in a deficit and on very low carbs. 40grams on easy days and off day and 80-100g on the hard days I work with my trainer.
Just to clear this up, it’s not toxic. I’m on it ostensibly for life because it’s better for me than testosterone was.
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Are you still running the primo cycle as well? How is/was it going?
Dropped the primo when I had a BP spike out of nowhere. Wanted to eliminate it as a possible cause, unlikely as that was. Since I have a metric ton of it still I decided to just run it this Fall on a more focused recomp. It worked out well though. I’m so damn busy with work and home life that I wouldn’t be able to truly get the most out of it anyway.
I wanted to add something to this. At 10mg I found that I would benefit from taking .5mg of adex maybe once every 8-10 days, but I didn’t exactly need it. If I chose to not use an AI at that dose I’d just look a little fluffier. Recent blood work (results from Tuesday) showed that on 2mg/d my e2 is 5. That’s insanely low. So this stuff is not the massive e2 bomb everyone thinks it is until you get to a certain dose threshold. But then again taking 50mg/d is similar to taking ~500mg of test a day, so you’d expect some serious e2 issues in that realm.
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It’s not toxic at the does you’re taking? or it isn’t toxic at 25 mg/day either?
It’s not toxic at all. Or rather it’s not toxic in the same way testosterone is not toxic. It isn’t methylated at the c17a part of the chain, unlike orals, so it has no more hepatotoxicity than something like test or primo. But at high doses it’s obviously not good for you, like anything else.
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Fair enough. That’s what I get for regurgitating something I have heard before without doing any real research.
As I’m currently running my first Tren ace cycle, the best advice I can give you is that less is more. I’m on 125mg split into daily shots with my TRT and I definitely feel it/notice a difference… It’s better to start out low and see how you tolerate the compound rather than jumping on a higher dose and experience all of the negative sides. Even at 125mg I experienced increased body temp/night sweats and increased anger to a certain extent. Don’t take this compound lightly and take it easy for your first cycle. I personally now know that I can tolerate 125mg and will bump it up to 175-200mg for my next cycle. Start slow and see how your body response.
Good luck
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