First Time HGH User

Been using gear on and off since 2011. Just started blasting yesterday. Im cutting fat and just trying to preserve muscle im currently 216lbs 5’9" 13.9% bf and 37 years old. My goal is to get down to 10-11% bf. Not concerned with putting on size too much. Im running eq/test c/var/primo and want to add in hgh in the next week because last time i came off cycle for a few months i lost muscle and put on fat i was 12.1% bf and 221lbs.

I plan on taking a 4-6 month break after this blast and have been researching ways to preserve gains and it seems like this would be a good way to go. If i do decide to run gh i would only do 1-2 i.u. daily. MY QUESTION: what is your experience in risk to reward with witg gh?

I just started this last week. 10 days ago actually. I’m staring with 1iu daily and might work up to 2iu. Studies I’ve read say that 1-1.5iu raises IGF-1 into “high normal”. My IGF-1 starting was 155ng, so let’s see where this goes in 4 weeks.

Edit: I’m not sure if that is enough for fat loss. My understanding is you’d need 2-4iu for that. I’m taking just for basic IGF-1 levels/health.

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Very nice stats. I ran HGH up to 4iu a night. At that dose I has some fluid retention that causes high BP and RHR. I backed down to 3iu and issues resolved. My benefits were increased leanness while preserving but not really gaining size.

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I wonder how one comes to such precise measurements of bodyfat while most of us barelly can tell the difference between 15% and 22% lol…

Anyways…
No experience in risk, dont know where would the risks come from at low doses.
Anyways, i do like GH to asist keeping fat gain in check so i would do 1,5-2ius before fasted HIT and conditioning sessions. Unless you fast before you go to bed there is no point to take GH at night for fat burning effects as the insulin in your system just cancels this benefit. I also like Cardarine combined with GH before intense cardio sessions. I dont take GH daily as i dont do fasted cardio daily - EOD i have a gym session which i start with a sugary drink, which spikes insulin and there is no point to take GH then.

I get it measured professionally thats how i know. Segmental body fat analysis. I do it once a month

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Thank you for your opinion and sharing your individual experiences with me. It sounds like the group consensus agrees on keeping it below 3 i.u. and i should be fine. Has anyone had any bad reaction like bone growth or heart or organ enlargement on that dose? Also ive had labs done in the last 6 weeks and everything is great blood pressure too. its been 18 months since i had an e.k.g but everything was great last ti.e i had that done too.

I’ve run 2ius for a few months now with no issues. I used to have increased joint pain that went away. I kicked it up to 2.5 ius in prep for my next blast last week, no additional sides.

that’s gtta be a shit ton of oil per week… how many mg’s of each ?

400/400/400 pinning e.o.d.

Im going to be doing qtropin anyone familiar with this type of hgh??

Im not sure if they are “types” of GH… its just GH, and the names are just manufacturers just like there are different names for Ibuprofenum but no matter the name, the chemical is the same.

I believe it is the type too. I just don’t know much about gh. I’m tired of losing gains while off cycle I work so hard on diet and exercise it’s devastating to me. I hope a low dose for gh will be the game changer. Like I said before i I started blasting last Tuesday and am adding gh in the next couple days my goal is to just burn fat and keep my size when this blast ends I’m not trying to use gh to put size on.

You believe wrong. It’s as @hankthetank89 stated. Then there is the purity factor.

Is HGH going to fix that?

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I talked to alot of people I use 3 different forums. The group consensus I got was yes it will. Mind you I’m not a doctor. I don’t know shit about gh. I’ve barely started researching it a couple months ago. But people I trust that have help me plan out cycles for the last 3 years and have never steered me wrong seem to think it will. I’ll take pictures periodically and you can be the judge.

Hmm i wonder about that. How much are you planning on taking after your cycle? For how long?

I’m going to start next week that will be the beginning of my 3rd week of my cycle and I will start with 1 iu and maybe go up to 3iu slowly over time I’m just going to do it slow and stay on probably for a year we will see how it goes

Thats why cycling is stupid.

GH might help a bit, but it usually works better for females like this. 2-3ius of GH is not enough to maintain AAS gains without the AAS.

It definetly wont be a “game changer”. It might be a “slight game improver” but you have to understand that contrary to the name, GH doesnt grow shit at low dosages.
Now 20-30ius a day would definetly be a game changer.

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Im using it to keep gains not grow and for its affect on visceral fat burning.

You dont seem to understand anything about all of this, so i am surprised that you even do cycles.
There is no such thing as biological maintenance. Cells either grow or reduce. Its called anabolism and catabolism. In nature, nothing ever stays the same - it either grows or dies. We begin to die as soon as we are born. Nothing in life just stays the same. Some things die slower, some die faster but my point is that NOTHING maintains cells as such. What we call “maintenance” is growing cells at a rate that masks the fact that the cells are shrinking.

Let me put it this way…
A cycle is a mortgage on a house. You need to have a job and earn money to pay for it every month. So when you take this huge loan and build a house, you need to get the best job possible to “maintain” it, right? But actually its NOT maintaining, its just slowing down the loss of money you already owe. Because you actually have to give real money to the bank. Its not like the debt just disapears - you have to give real money to bank, in exchange for them letting you keep the house(you need to build muscle cells for them to look like they are not shrinking).
In biology all the processes are the same. When you cycle, you took a mortgage, and now when you are off, you dont even have a job.
What you want to do, is to slow down the loss and pay for the mortgage with NO JOB. What im saying is that if GH at 2iu a day doesnt grow muscle cells fast enough as they reduce since you are off cycle, you end up losing the house.
NOTHING in pharma maintains muscle as such. It either grows it or it doesnt, and what changes is the rate at which it grows to the rate of which the cells shrink down.
So basically if low dose GH doesnt have enough ANABOLIC properties, it also cant create the illusion of maintenance, because maintenance still has to be anabolic, OR you turn catabolic and LOSE your gains. Contrary to the name, it actually sucks at growing stuff. I believe we should stop referring to it as a GH, but use the actual name - somatotropic hormone, so people wont get mind fucked with the name. Because now its like we would call Primo a “supermegamusclebuilder steroid” while its actually mild anabolic and it sucks, but in 10 years because of the name all the newbs would be blasting it anyways, haha.

And same goes for fat cells. GH can help reduce fat cells but then you have to be catabolic to begin with. You need a caloric deficit, which speeds up you losing muscle. If you want to burn fat with GH you still have to be in a caloric deficit, therefore you will be catabolic, therefore you will lose muscle.
If you think 3ius of GH will build muscle just as fast as a small dose of actual anabolics(to create your illusion of maintaining muscle) and at the same time burn fat while being in what…caloric surplus to maintain muscle? you are in for a huge waste of money and dissapointment. That is the reason why the biggest monsters in bodybuilding take 10 times more shit while cutting. Cutting cycles are 10 times harsher and more agressive than muscle building ones. Why? Because we need a lot more shit if we want to build muscle while being catabolic(which ends up looking like maintenance). People take 10 times the shit when cutting but dont build muscle - they just lose fat. Because when they lose fat they also lose muscle, and the 10 times harsher shit builds it back up so it looks like they maintained the muscle while losing fat.

3ius of GH is not magic man. It will just put you a bit over the normal range. Unless you already look like you have never taken steroids, those few ius of GH cant do shit for you.
It sort of does everything you mentioned, but combined with other stuff AND combined with correct metabolic enviroment for what you wanna do.
In order for GH to burn fat you would need a base dose of anabolics that grow muscle slow(create the illusion of maintenance) that you can be in a caloric deficit so GH can burn away the fat a bit faster.
But please, understand, that if you are not in a caloric deficit, GH wont burn fat. If it worked like that all the obese people would just get GH prescribed and solve all their problems with 3ius a day. There are studies done on fat people that come to a conclusion that GH does not change shit to a noticable extent.
But now if you want to burn fat, you will be in a deficit, and then you will again lose muscle, because GH alone doesnt grow muscle(create the illusion of maintenance).

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