[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
However, they (people living by the jizyah) are not allowed to openly practice their religion and must feel themselves subdued in this regard…
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Assuming that the teachings of the Koran are just as valid now as they were in those earlier days, this is a completely legitimate reason for non-Muslim to fear Muslims, and in fact, to prohibit them from practicing Islam in their countries.
You’ll excuse those of us non-Muslims who want nothing to do with a religion that forbids the open practice of other religions, and who see Islam as a threat to our way of life, I trust?
At least you didn’t try to sugar-coat it, I guess…
Sheesh.[/quote]
Yes, but only if you were living in a muslim country that practices Islam completely. I am not allowed, for example, to apply those same things in a non-muslim country, so why would you feel threatened? It is forbidden for any muslim to travel to a non-muslim country and cause mischief and harm, no matter what any muslim says or does.[/quote]
But not forbidden to make efforts to have a country BECOME Muslim, correct?
And even if the people of my county convert completely of their own accord, that would still result in me, now a minority, being unable to practice my religion. Strictly speaking, the more the Muslim population of any country grows, the less chance there is that non-Muslims will continue to have freedom of religion.
Essentially, Islam advocates non-freedom of religion for minorities. I do indeed find that threatening.
And BTW, somebody might want to explain what you just wrote to those Muslims all around the world who ARE doing much more than just “mischief.”
Oh, and is Turkey a Muslim country? How about Egypt? Lebanon? I’m curious as to how this is decided.[/quote]
“But not forbidden to make efforts to have a country BECOME Muslim, correct?”
Correct, we only present Islam to the people in its true form, whether they accept it or not is not in our hands.
“And even if the people of my county convert completely of their own accord, that would still result in me, now a minority, being unable to practice my religion. Strictly speaking, the more the Muslim population of any country grows, the less chance there is that non-Muslims will continue to have freedom of religion.”
You can practice your religion, if you were living under strict Islamic law it means that you are not allowed to practice it OPENLY.
“And BTW, somebody might want to explain what you just wrote to those Muslims all around the world who ARE doing much more than just “mischief.””
Believe me, we are trying to clean up the mess these people make. The scholars say it is jihad to hunt down the terrorists that give a bad name to Islam. One scholar said, alqaeda are terrorists and the death of bin laden has brought a relief to the muslims. But no one listens. For example, one of the scholars of our time (Shaykh Fawzan) was asked if it was permissible to kill the man who drew the Dutch cartoons about the prophet. He said it is not allowed because it will make people fear Islam, and run away from Islam. You’ll never hear about these kind of things on tv or in the news though.
“Oh, and is Turkey a Muslim country? How about Egypt? Lebanon? I’m curious as to how this is decided.”
If the ruler of the country is a Muslim then the country is muslim - but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they are applying Islamic teachings. and the evidence is in Surah 51 of the quran. He is ruler unless CLEAR DISBELIEF is established against him, for example he prostrates to an idol or something.
