@Mr. Zero, you white? Just wondering bc your shiny head is kinda pale.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
@Mr. Zero, you white? Just wondering bc your shiny head is kinda pale.[/quote]
Nope, not white.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Kebvin wrote:
There’s also plenty in the bible and the torah that can be used to justify treating non-believers badly…
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Except there is an authority in which interprets the Bible. This authority does not interpret in such ways, as that is not the proper interpretation.
The Muslims lack such authority, though they once had it when the Prophet Mohammed was alive.[/quote]
What do you mean?
Zero is just a big ass dude with a big ass beard, haha.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Zero is just a big ass dude with a big ass beard, haha.[/quote]
ha, that’s how most people know me
You live in Illinois? I assume chicago. Where do you lift?
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Kebvin wrote:
There’s also plenty in the bible and the torah that can be used to justify treating non-believers badly…
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Except there is an authority in which interprets the Bible. This authority does not interpret in such ways, as that is not the proper interpretation.
The Muslims lack such authority, though they once had it when the Prophet Mohammed was alive.[/quote]
What do you mean?
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Lack central governance. Unless of course I misunderstand this about Islam. If that is the case, please correct me.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Kebvin wrote:
There’s also plenty in the bible and the torah that can be used to justify treating non-believers badly…
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Except there is an authority in which interprets the Bible. This authority does not interpret in such ways, as that is not the proper interpretation.
The Muslims lack such authority, though they once had it when the Prophet Mohammed was alive.[/quote]
What do you mean?
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Lack central governance. Unless of course I misunderstand this about Islam. If that is the case, please correct me.[/quote]
There are many interpretations of the quran that were written hundreds of years ago. As muslim scholars have stated, modern day interpretations are unnecessary. Interpretations are based upon the quran, the speech of the messenger pbuh, and his companions, and the two generations that followed them. The reason we only follow these 3 generations is because they were praised by God and his final messenger- they are the best people to walk the earth after the prophets (muhammed,jesus,noah, moses, abraham, etc.).
However, modern day scholars and their students can interpret the quran so long as they don’t contradict the “usool of tafseer” or fundamentals of interpretation. It is just unnecessary because excellent interpretations have already been written, such as “tafseer ibn katheer”.
“Except there is an authority in which interprets the Bible. This authority does not interpret in such ways, as that is not the proper interpretation.”
I don’t understand. Who is the authority?
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Zero is just a big ass dude with a big ass beard, haha.[/quote]
ha, that’s how most people know me
You live in Illinois? I assume chicago. Where do you lift?
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conviction fitness. montrose/western.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Zero is just a big ass dude with a big ass beard, haha.[/quote]
ha, that’s how most people know me
You live in Illinois? I assume chicago. Where do you lift?
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conviction fitness. montrose/western.[/quote]
I think I know a guy who goes there, Ryan. Short but huge.
Have you ever been to xsport on lawrence and elston. I sold someone fat gripz, and I was thinking it could be you. And his name was Andy, I swear no lie.
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Zero is just a big ass dude with a big ass beard, haha.[/quote]
ha, that’s how most people know me
You live in Illinois? I assume chicago. Where do you lift?
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conviction fitness. montrose/western.[/quote]
I think I know a guy who goes there, Ryan. Short but huge.
Have you ever been to xsport on lawrence and elston. I sold someone fat gripz, and I was thinking it could be you. And his name was Andy, I swear no lie.[/quote]
Ryan… don’t know him. and no it was not me, haha.
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
Bismillah,
I am a muslim and I have been for about 2 years now.
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I’m always interested in all these post-9/11 converts. I mean, I might be a little old fashioned but I thought that 9/11 and the subsequent events reflected badly on Islam. And that someone who decides to convert to Islam post-9/11 is more than likely to have something wrong upstairs.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
Please, if you have questions ask ME. DONT BE DECEIVED
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What is your understanding of why the Koran commands that non-Muslims need to “feel themselves subdued?”
http://www.islamicity.com/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/9/9_29.htm[/quote]
My understanding holds no weight. We need to look at how the Prophet and his companions understood it and applied it…
The ayah(verse) was revealed in the 9th year of hijrah and he muhammed pbuh prepared his army to fight the Romans that same year. The jizyah has many rulings pertaining to it so I’m not going to go into the details put basically it’s a tax that the people of the scripture(jews and christians) pay in order to live under the protection and benefits of the Muslims. The messenger of God said, “Whoever kills a Mu’ahid (a nonmuslim who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”
However, they (people living by the jizyah) are not allowed to openly practice their religion and must feel themselves subdued in this regard. An example of a manifestation of this were the Christians living under the rule of Umar, a companion of the messenger and the second khalifa. They wrote to him:
“In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah Umar, the leader of the faithful from the christians of such and such city…We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastry, church, ora sanctuary for a monk…We will not teach our children the Quran, publicize practices of shirk (polytheism) or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam…We will not imitate their clothing, sandals, speech…we will not sell liquor, and refrain from erecting crosses on the fron of our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our books…these are conditions we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises… then our dhimmah is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.”
– Taken from al-muhalla by ibn hazm 7:346, you can look at it for the complete letter and chain of transmission.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
Bismillah,
I amt a muslim and I have been for about 2 years now.
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I’m always interested in all these post-9/11 converts. I mean, I might be a little old fashioned but I thought that 9/11 and the subsequent events reflected badly on Islam. And that someone who decides to convert to Islam post-9/11 is more than likely to have something wrong upstairs.[/quote]
If they believe how the media portrays Islam is true AND they convert, then yes that would be a little twisted. 9/11 just made people more curious, God decreed a lot of good come out from the aftermath even though the people behind it (idk who, and I am not allowed to make a claim unless its with clear cut evidence) were comitting evil. And no doubt that the number of converts will continue to rise despite all the lies spread about islam, from both muslims and nonmuslims.
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
Bismillah,
I amt a muslim and I have been for about 2 years now.
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I’m always interested in all these post-9/11 converts. I mean, I might be a little old fashioned but I thought that 9/11 and the subsequent events reflected badly on Islam. And that someone who decides to convert to Islam post-9/11 is more than likely to have something wrong upstairs.[/quote]
If they believe how the media portrays Islam is true AND they convert, then yes that would be a little twisted. 9/11 just made people more curious, God decreed a lot of good come out from the aftermath even though the people behind it (idk who, and I am not allowed to make a claim unless its with clear cut evidence) were comitting evil. And no doubt that the number of converts will continue to rise despite all the lies spread about islam, from both muslims and nonmuslims.
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Oh I get it! 9/11 was not committed by Muslims and you know who did do it but you can’t say. Does it start with a ‘J’? Am I getting warm? Seriously, seek help.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
Bismillah,
I amt a muslim and I have been for about 2 years now.
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I’m always interested in all these post-9/11 converts. I mean, I might be a little old fashioned but I thought that 9/11 and the subsequent events reflected badly on Islam. And that someone who decides to convert to Islam post-9/11 is more than likely to have something wrong upstairs.[/quote]
If they believe how the media portrays Islam is true AND they convert, then yes that would be a little twisted. 9/11 just made people more curious, God decreed a lot of good come out from the aftermath even though the people behind it (idk who, and I am not allowed to make a claim unless its with clear cut evidence) were comitting evil. And no doubt that the number of converts will continue to rise despite all the lies spread about islam, from both muslims and nonmuslims.
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Oh I get it! 9/11 was not committed by Muslims and you know who did do it but you can’t say. Does it start with a ‘J’? Am I getting warm? Seriously, seek help.[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Mr. Zero wrote:
However, they (people living by the jizyah) are not allowed to openly practice their religion and must feel themselves subdued in this regard…
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Assuming that the teachings of the Koran are just as valid now as they were in those earlier days, this is a completely legitimate reason for non-Muslim to fear Muslims, and in fact, to prohibit them from practicing Islam in their countries.
You’ll excuse those of us non-Muslims who want nothing to do with a religion that forbids the open practice of other religions, and who see Islam as a threat to our way of life, I trust?
At least you didn’t try to sugar-coat it, I guess…
Sheesh.[/quote]
Yes, but only if you were living in a muslim country that practices Islam completely. I am not allowed, for example, to try to apply those same things in a non-muslim country, so why would you feel threatened? It is forbidden for any muslim to travel to a non-muslim country and cause mischief and harm, no matter what any muslim says or does.