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[quote]Fedor Duchaine wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Fedor Duchaine wrote:

You’re being overly defensive. He stated that verses in the bible can be used to justify treating non-believers badly. He’s not saying it’s the correct way to interpret the verses, but that some can (and have) used verses in the bible to justify such actions. Otherwise, events like the Spanish Inquisition would never have occurred…

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You’re simply dead wrong.

And you’re especially wrong about those verses being used by the Spanish Inquisition. You don’t know your history if you think the Spanish clergy cited those verses and other similar ones to justify their tortures. They needed no scriptural basis because, especially back then, the Catholic Church gets to make it up as they go along. Their authority doesn’t come from the Scripture, it comes from the Church.

It has nothing to do with my alleged defensiveness. Your historical perspective is something you just made up in your head - silly, ignorant revisionism. You’re winging it and hoping you won’t get called on it. You may get away with that with other folks but you can’t with me.
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lol, says the devout christian who happens to be a swinger…It has everything to do with your obvious defensiveness.

I never said certain verses were used in the Spanish Inquisition, so it’s you who’s simply dead wrong.

Essentially, you swinging, Baptist version of a Benedictine Monk of Santiago, you’re trying to claim that the Catholic Church does not use scripture at all, but just make things up as they go along. Interesting claim there.

So are you the christian version of muslims who go on about how certain people aren’t “real muslims”? Are Catholics not “real christians”?

I find this all to be a bit of an amusing novelty, btw…A dirty, married swinger who fornicates with as many nasty looking females as possible, and he’s generalizing all Catholics as people who don’t read Scripture but just make things up as they go along.

Next thing you know we’re going to have a Jewish pimp, cane & feathered hat and all, venture onto this forum and proceed to criticize & dismiss certain sects of Judaism.
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Alot of hate in that post. It’s a shame none of it is true huh? Well, don’t feel bad lying on the Internet (especially around here lately) is pretty much SOP.

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Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.[/quote]

Actually, no the same doesn’t go for Christianity.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.[/quote]

Actually, no the same doesn’t go for Christianity.[/quote]

I’d say with all religions… And all belief in the supernatural.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.[/quote]

Actually, no the same doesn’t go for Christianity.[/quote]

Sure-

God made man flawed and that was so bad that he had to be reborn as his own son in the form of a Jewish carpenter in order to be able to forive them for him fucking up the original design.

Makes perfect sense, not like the childish fairy tales of Islam.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.[/quote]

Actually, no the same doesn’t go for Christianity.[/quote]

Sure-

God made man flawed and that was so bad that he had to be reborn as his own son in the form of a Jewish carpenter in order to be able to forive them for him fucking up the original design.

Makes perfect sense, not like the childish fairy tales of Islam.

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And for someone who is supposedly omnipotent… How did he screw up in the first place?

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I’m certainly not a muslim, so take my post for what it is but a good friend of mine is.

His family was transferred from Egypt when my buddy and I were in 6th grade, his pops is with a pretty big oil company that transferred him to Houston.

Anyways, they are devoutly muslim. His mom wears the head scarf, they pray to Mecca regardless of what is happening, they celebrate Ramadan and they attend a local mosque. His parents even went so far as to attempt arranging a marriage for him, twice. Solidly muslim, solidly middle eastern in thought and culture.

They are some of the friendliest people I know. They always welcome guests with open arms and an open kitchen, an important part of their culture. Even me, a blue eyed, blondish brown haired caucasion of Scandinavian descent. A super devil according to the Jihadists.

I remember they used to host pool parties in Jr. High, at least a hundred people would show up (It was a big school, fed in to a Super 5A HS). My friend made the Jr. High basketball and football teams and was one of the guys. They invited close friends to Ramadan feasts; delicious food, lots of jovial celebration. I even went to a sort of Bazaar at their Mosque. I stuck out for sure and caught funny looks but my buddy was just sharing.

I remember when 9/11 happened. We were in our senior year of high school. Both on the football team for our glory year. My buddy had been one of the guys and on that day he became a pariah. All the people who had been accepting his friendship and his family’s hospitality since jr. high, the team he practiced and played with, largely since jr. high, the coach who suddently started benching him…

It was pretty sad. Many muslims became victims of the Jihadists just the same as Americans and other westerners. It’s been explained to me groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda are similar to the KKK of the 1920’s or the socialist groups of the Red Scare days (American references, I know). My buddy is now finishing up medical school, some kind of surgeon specialist, and is well on his way to treating Americans back to health and comfort as a profession.

You can’t accurately lump individuals in to a group. If you know of a group that supports terrorist activity then of course boycott it, be wary of the members et cetera. They are not all bad. Fuck, our own US Military had local support in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain… the majority of the locals wanted us to lay the law down on the fanatics.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I’m certainly not a muslim, so take my post for what it is but a good friend of mine is.

His family was transferred from Egypt when my buddy and I were in 6th grade, his pops is with a pretty big oil company that transferred him to Houston.

Anyways, they are devoutly muslim. His mom wears the head scarf, they pray to Mecca regardless of what is happening, they celebrate Ramadan and they attend a local mosque. His parents even went so far as to attempt arranging a marriage for him, twice. Solidly muslim, solidly middle eastern in thought and culture.

They are some of the friendliest people I know. They always welcome guests with open arms and an open kitchen, an important part of their culture. Even me, a blue eyed, blondish brown haired caucasion of Scandinavian descent. A super devil according to the Jihadists.

I remember they used to host pool parties in Jr. High, at least a hundred people would show up (It was a big school, fed in to a Super 5A HS). My friend made the Jr. High basketball and football teams and was one of the guys. They invited close friends to Ramadan feasts; delicious food, lots of jovial celebration. I even went to a sort of Bazaar at their Mosque. I stuck out for sure and caught funny looks but my buddy was just sharing.

I remember when 9/11 happened. We were in our senior year of high school. Both on the football team for our glory year. My buddy had been one of the guys and on that day he became a pariah. All the people who had been accepting his friendship and his family’s hospitality since jr. high, the team he practiced and played with, largely since jr. high, the coach who suddently started benching him…

It was pretty sad. Many muslims became victims of the Jihadists just the same as Americans and other westerners. It’s been explained to me groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda are similar to the KKK of the 1920’s or the socialist groups of the Red Scare days (American references, I know). My buddy is now finishing up medical school, some kind of surgeon specialist, and is well on his way to treating Americans back to health and comfort as a profession.

You can’t accurately lump individuals in to a group. If you know of a group that supports terrorist activity then of course boycott it, be wary of the members et cetera. They are not all bad. Fuck, our own US Military had local support in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain… the majority of the locals wanted us to lay the law down on the fanatics. [/quote]

^ Yes.

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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I’m certainly not a muslim, so take my post for what it is but a good friend of mine is.

His family was transferred from Egypt when my buddy and I were in 6th grade, his pops is with a pretty big oil company that transferred him to Houston.

Anyways, they are devoutly muslim. His mom wears the head scarf, they pray to Mecca regardless of what is happening, they celebrate Ramadan and they attend a local mosque. His parents even went so far as to attempt arranging a marriage for him, twice. Solidly muslim, solidly middle eastern in thought and culture.

They are some of the friendliest people I know. They always welcome guests with open arms and an open kitchen, an important part of their culture. Even me, a blue eyed, blondish brown haired caucasion of Scandinavian descent. A super devil according to the Jihadists.

I remember they used to host pool parties in Jr. High, at least a hundred people would show up (It was a big school, fed in to a Super 5A HS). My friend made the Jr. High basketball and football teams and was one of the guys. They invited close friends to Ramadan feasts; delicious food, lots of jovial celebration. I even went to a sort of Bazaar at their Mosque. I stuck out for sure and caught funny looks but my buddy was just sharing.

I remember when 9/11 happened. We were in our senior year of high school. Both on the football team for our glory year. My buddy had been one of the guys and on that day he became a pariah. All the people who had been accepting his friendship and his family’s hospitality since jr. high, the team he practiced and played with, largely since jr. high, the coach who suddently started benching him…

It was pretty sad. Many muslims became victims of the Jihadists just the same as Americans and other westerners. It’s been explained to me groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda are similar to the KKK of the 1920’s or the socialist groups of the Red Scare days (American references, I know). My buddy is now finishing up medical school, some kind of surgeon specialist, and is well on his way to treating Americans back to health and comfort as a profession.

You can’t accurately lump individuals in to a group. If you know of a group that supports terrorist activity then of course boycott it, be wary of the members et cetera. They are not all bad. Fuck, our own US Military had local support in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain… the majority of the locals wanted us to lay the law down on the fanatics. [/quote]

^ Yes.[/quote]

Yes. Muslims, like any other large group of people, are not monolithic.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I’m certainly not a muslim, so take my post for what it is but a good friend of mine is.

His family was transferred from Egypt when my buddy and I were in 6th grade, his pops is with a pretty big oil company that transferred him to Houston.

Anyways, they are devoutly muslim. His mom wears the head scarf, they pray to Mecca regardless of what is happening, they celebrate Ramadan and they attend a local mosque. His parents even went so far as to attempt arranging a marriage for him, twice. Solidly muslim, solidly middle eastern in thought and culture.

They are some of the friendliest people I know. They always welcome guests with open arms and an open kitchen, an important part of their culture. Even me, a blue eyed, blondish brown haired caucasion of Scandinavian descent. A super devil according to the Jihadists.

I remember they used to host pool parties in Jr. High, at least a hundred people would show up (It was a big school, fed in to a Super 5A HS). My friend made the Jr. High basketball and football teams and was one of the guys. They invited close friends to Ramadan feasts; delicious food, lots of jovial celebration. I even went to a sort of Bazaar at their Mosque. I stuck out for sure and caught funny looks but my buddy was just sharing.

I remember when 9/11 happened. We were in our senior year of high school. Both on the football team for our glory year. My buddy had been one of the guys and on that day he became a pariah. All the people who had been accepting his friendship and his family’s hospitality since jr. high, the team he practiced and played with, largely since jr. high, the coach who suddently started benching him…

It was pretty sad. Many muslims became victims of the Jihadists just the same as Americans and other westerners. It’s been explained to me groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda are similar to the KKK of the 1920’s or the socialist groups of the Red Scare days (American references, I know). My buddy is now finishing up medical school, some kind of surgeon specialist, and is well on his way to treating Americans back to health and comfort as a profession.

You can’t accurately lump individuals in to a group. If you know of a group that supports terrorist activity then of course boycott it, be wary of the members et cetera. They are not all bad. Fuck, our own US Military had local support in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain… the majority of the locals wanted us to lay the law down on the fanatics. [/quote]
But all these Muslims around you are just lying and hiding their true beliefs - the Quran commands them to.

amirite?

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Bismillah,

I am a muslim and I have been for about 2 years now. I am studying Islam from some of the biggest scholars of our time.

Anyways, most people including muslims DO NOT not know who is really on the truth and who is misguided with regards to the muslim callers/sheikhs/muftis or whatever. Soo, I want to clear up the misconceptions most people have (muslims and nonmuslims) about islam.

First, regarding this “grand mufti” devil, I immediately can recognize he is a khariji - a deviant misguided group that opposes the way of the prophet pbuh and his companions. It is the methodology that osama bin laden and his crew were on. I ask the Muslims to not listen to anything this poor man says, AVOID HIM.

Please, if you have questions ask ME. DONT BE DECEIVED

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Regarding killing yourself, suicide, blowing yourself up, IT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.

This man is a devil, and anyone who supports him is a devil!

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
These guys aren’t muslims, they claim to be but everything they are doing is anit muslim. If they did this in a muslim country they would be put to death pretty quickly if there was no doubt that they were guilty.

Its this kinda of shit that gives other muslims a bad name. [/quote]

2) Following the arrest of 17 Muslim men for a wave of gang rapes of ‘Christian sluts’ the Grand Mufti of Australia said they were asking for it for dressing promiscuously and made an analogy that if you leave meat out cats will eat it. He then claimed that the Muslim gang rapists were given unfair sentences due to the Islamophobic hatred of Australian society

So, the Grand Mufti is not a Muslim?

If that’s the case, why are Muslims following (or, indeed, putting up with) him?

Sure seem to be alot of “fake” Muslims around who are doing some evil things in the name of Islam…[/quote]

We can’t say that he is not a muslim, we cant declare someone non-muslim.

“Sure seem to be alot of “fake” Muslims around who are doing some evil things in the name of Islam…”

This is 100% true. The ones who truly follow Islam, are the minority. The prophet pbuh said my nation is giong to divide into 73 sects ALL OF THEM ARE IN HELL EXCEPT ONE. Yes the majority of muslims are misguided unfortunately. May Allah guide them

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Again, the muftis words are not misunderstood, his words were clear, he clearly exposed his ignorance and misguidance.

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[quote]Marzouk wrote:
These guys aren’t muslims, they claim to be but everything they are doing is anit muslim. If they did this in a muslim country they would be put to death pretty quickly if there was no doubt that they were guilty.

Its this kinda of shit that gives other muslims a bad name. [/quote]

If you’re muslim, I sincerely advise you against making a ruling regarding whether someone is muslim or not. This is VERY VERY serious.

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“The ‘Grand Mufti’ is basically the highest Islamic religious authority and leader in the entire country. Just imagine the Archbishop of Canterbury only with an unregistered handgun, psychosis, anti-Semitism, hate speech, incitement and justification for gang rapes and suicide bombers and so forth.”

No, this is wrong. Just because someone claims he is a “grand mufti” doesn’t mean he is, neither does it mean he is free from error. The word mufti simply means someone who issues verdicts.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
See, this is what just makes no sense logically. If he’s not a “real” Muslim, why do so many Muslims follow him? How did he get (and how does he hold onto) such a high position while making statements like those, if not with the agreement of “the people?”

And just FYI, a year or so ago there was an Aussie Muslim on here DEFENDING this “Mufti Douche guy,” as you call him, telling us all that he was a “misunderstood” but “great” man.

This discussion reminds me of another Muslim who used to post here who said that the Ayatollah Khomeni also “wasn’t a Muslim.” And yet he was the spiritual leader of an “Islamic Republic?” Sorry, but that shit is just too hard to swallow.

YOU may not think these guys are “real” Muslims, but plenty of Muslims clearly do.
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I agree with you completely. It may seem confusing, but the bottom line is that you have to follow the quran and sunnah, anything that opposes it is rejected. But most people are IGNORANT. They just have no knowledge. as Allah says in the meaning of which, “And if you obey MOST of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from Allah’s way; they follow but conjecture and they only lie.”

“Sorry, but that shit is just too hard to swallow.” Why? Actually it makes complete sense. The quran and sunnah clearly stated this what was going to happen.
The prophet pbuh said:
"Verily, Allah does not take away knowledge by snatching it from the people, but He takes it away by taking away (the lives of) the religious scholars till none of the scholars remains alive. Then the people will take ignorant ones as their leaders, who, when asked to deliver religious verdicts, will issue them without knowledge, the result being that they will go astray and will lead others astray.â??[Sahih Bukhari]
This has already began in our time. It is also a sign, as the prophet pbuh said, that the end is near. That coupled with much bloodshed, as is seen today.

And don’t even get me started with that filthy Khomeni pig disguting devil. The scholars declared him a non-muslim. Just look at what God decreed to happen at his funeral.
http://www.iranian.com/main/files/blogimages/khomenidead2-jpg.jpg Fell out half naked.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:
There’s also plenty in the bible and the torah that can be used to justify treating non-believers badly…
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Except there is an authority in which interprets the Bible. This authority does not interpret in such ways, as that is not the proper interpretation.

The Muslims lack such authority, though they once had it when the Prophet Mohammed was alive.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
what about these?

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20[/quote]

Who do you think the “who” is?

“Will” not “Ought” or “Should” or “Can.”

God destroys.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Just animals doing animal stuff. Islam is dumb as shit also and if you believe in it you are hopeless. The same goes for christianity.[/quote]

Actually, no the same doesn’t go for Christianity.[/quote]

I’d say with all religions… And all belief in the supernatural.[/quote]

Why?