[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Dude, go read the Qur’an, then come back and tell me that guys are muslims. Just because they do stuff in the name of Islam doesn’t make them muslim. They are misguided and being manipulated by this Mufti Douche guy. He also isn’t a muslim.
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Oh, I’ve seen plenty from the Koran that could be used to justify treating non-Muslims this badly. But I’m willing to admit that things can be interpreted in lots of ways…
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
this Mufti Douche guy. He also isn’t a muslim.
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See, this is what just makes no sense logically. If he’s not a “real” Muslim, why do so many Muslims follow him? How did he get (and how does he hold onto) such a high position while making statements like those, if not with the agreement of “the people?”
And just FYI, a year or so ago there was an Aussie Muslim on here DEFENDING this “Mufti Douche guy,” as you call him, telling us all that he was a “misunderstood” but “great” man.
This discussion reminds me of another Muslim who used to post here who said that the Ayatollah Khomeni also “wasn’t a Muslim.” And yet he was the spiritual leader of an “Islamic Republic?” Sorry, but that shit is just too hard to swallow.
YOU may not think these guys are “real” Muslims, but plenty of Muslims clearly do.[/quote]
There are people who defend him because they follow the ideology in the same fucked up way the “Grand Mufti” does.
I’ve come across christians who believe everyone who doesn’t follow the bible as strictly as possible will burn in hell, calling women who wear even remotely revealing clothing sluts. There are also christians who attack abortion clinics. I’m not going to pigeon-hole all christians as being the same as those whack-jobs.
Also, some people are charismatic and can draw a following. Look at David Koresh and The Branch Davidians, as well as some of those other cults which claim to be a part of christianity. Granted, those are smaller groups, but they’re examples…On a non-religious note, there have been people like Charles Manson who gathered followings, and people wonder why anyone would have followed that dude.
Then you factor in the fact that a lot of people who follow these so-called Islamic leaders are uneducated and easily misled. It’s not rocket science…In Iran, the largest following for Khomeini were uneducated, but religious, villagers with backwards POVs. He also gathered a following, around the time of the Iranian Revolution, by misleading other groups, but that’s beside the point.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
“Believers” is a term used to describe followers of Christ.
There is NOT “plenty in the bible…that can be used to justify treating non-believers badly.”
Orion, you fuck up on this forum almost as much as Pitbulllllllll. Not a good badge for your Boy Scout uniform.[/quote]
You’re being overly defensive. He stated that verses in the bible can be used to justify treating non-believers badly. He’s not saying it’s the correct way to interpret the verses, but that some can (and have) used verses in the bible to justify such actions. Otherwise, events like the Spanish Inquisition would never have occurred.
I’ve known muslims who counter claims about certain Islamic verses the same way you explained certain verses in the bible which were cut & pasted on here.