First Cycle, What Do You Think?

Pharma / TRT
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Hi, first of all let me introduce myself. I’m 35 years old, have been on and off training since I was 16 years old. Haven’t been that constant in the last years since I have been doing the residency in anesthesiology. I still don’t have a lot of free time but I have decided to get back in the gym.

I know it is way to soon to start talking about a cycle, of course I’m not planning on starting any cycle right away, but my plan is to train hard and constantly for the next 10 to 12 months to get back in shape and then think about doing a cycle.

It has never been easy to grow muscle nor getting lean to me, I have tried a lot of different routines and for a couple of years I did triathlon and even I was in good condition I have never been able to look big (also it’s not my goal to get that big). When I was younger I tried with lots of supplements but results weren’t any great. I always worked out with friends and with the same training and diet they always achived better results… all this just as background.

Off course in med school you have to learn everything about hormones and receptors and everything related, but belive me I don’t consider my self an expert in anything, I know there’s always someone who knows a lot more than you, besides one thing is to know about hormones but something very different is to apply it to sports science and more specificaly to bodybuilding.

I guess must of you will think it’s stupid to start asking this soon, well I like making as much research as possible to make the best possible decision. If anyone want’s to help with his opinion I’ll thank it very much.
Well, first of all I have read mainly two opposing points of view about a first cycle, the ones that think a testosterone only cycle is more than enough, and the ones that consider you should go all the way as this cycle will bring the biggest gains. As everything in life both are right and wrong, there are way too many variables to take in consideration and at the end you have to decide on you own.

That’s why I like to have as much information as possible, I’m not looking for a guru to tell me what to do, I’m asking for advice and opinions because I know I can be missing important things to take in consideration. I know steroids aren’t something to play with but let’s be realistic, steroids aren’t that big of a deal, they are not the devil and you will not be condemned nor you will be a sinner.
Ok, I’m about 5’10", 170 pounds, around 20% body fat… as I said I’ll start by hitting the gym at least 9 months straight, I’ll try to cut as much fat as possible. Besides that I’m a healthy person, don’t smoke or drink. My goals aren’t to copete nor become a professional BB or anything close, I just want to add muscle mass and cut body fat. I know a lot will say I haven’t done enough and I should do a lot more before trying with steroids, but belive me I have had tried in the past in multiple times and no matter how long nor anything else I reach a plateau, genetics can be a bitch.

So after a lot of research (I know I have a lot more to do) I have came with this cycle:

  • Week 1 (front load): PRIMO 500mg TEST PROPIONATE 500mg ANAVAR 50mg(ED)

  • Week 2-4: PRIMO 350mg TEST PROPIONATE 350mg ANAVAR 40mg(ED)

  • Week 5-8: WINSTROL 150mg TEST PROPIONATE 350mg ANAVAR 40mg(ED)

  • Week 9-10: WINSTROL 150mg ANAVAR 40mg(ED)

  • Week 11-13 (PCT): TAMOX 20mg(ED) HCG 500 IU(E3D) CLOMID 100mg(ED/1st week)
    CLOMID 50mg(ED)

  • EXTRAS:

    • LIVER PROTECTION: LEGALON (2-3 weeks before and after)
      SAMe or Liv.52 (the whole cycle)
    • PROVIRON???
    • TAMOX 10mg (during the cycle if needed)
    • Of course: vitamins,ALA, NAC, GLUT, aminoacids, etc.

QUESTIONS:

  • I first considered only 250mg of TEST/week but I read from an expert that he wouldn’t recomend never less than 400mg of TEST in any cycle doesn’t matter if it’s the first one. Do you agree?
  • I have read an oral steroid is a good kickstart, I chose Anavar for it’s relatively low liver toxicity, never the less all drugs have some degree of toxicity, but far less compared to ANADROL. Would you keep it the whole 10 weeks or do you think taking it for 6 weeks and last 4 weeks use MASTERON is a good idea? (I have read MASTERON is a very good option to end a cycle because also helps keep strogen levels down)
  • About PCT, I know all I’m using has very mild aromatization rate if at all, except TEST, that’s why I would ended at week 8. Do you think I should start with hCG since week 9?

Well I think that’s it for the momento, I hope you can share your opinions and help me in any way you can. Thank you very much.

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Personally I would worry about dropping the fat to around 10-12% before you start a cycle, if that takes you a year then so be it. Your going to see more changes in your physique at a lower bodyfat and your going to want to be in a calorie surplus (bulk) while your on to maximise your gains so being a high bodyfat to start means more cutting later on. I’d drop the winny too if I was you as it’s really only beneficial for an already lean physique (sub 10%) and is very harsh on your body.

This is what I’d do if I was you, take it or leave it… No skin off my noes.

Week 1-4: 30mg Dbol (0.25 Arimidex ED)
Week 1-12: 500mg Test E per week (0.25 Arimidex EOD)

Week 14-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20

Good luck

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Rxx,

First of all thank you very much for taking the time to read and advise. I have seen a lot of posts that recommend Dbol and Test E for the first cycle, in all of them they talk about great results. I know Dbol is quite famous for great gains, but also is one the most liver-toxic steroids, that’s why I’m not sure about it.

As I said before I’m still researching, I also thought about loosing as much body fat as possible, I didn’t knew I have to go that low and I don’t know if I can get that lean.
But anyway, once more let me thank you.

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Dbol at 30mg won’t be hard on your liver, run a liver support like Liv.52 and you’ll be fine. You need to do more research on nutrition and get your diet on point and get that bf down. Just my opinion though but I’m sure others will agree.

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Once again thanks for the advice. I guess I will follow your advice and do a more basic first cycle.
By the way, I am from Mexico in case you ever need something from here I can mail it to you.
Thanks…

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You aren’t giving primo enough time to work. I would scratch it. Just go with a basic test prop cycle with EOD injections. You can use anavar if you still want. Also, this is just a personal preference but I hate how clomid makes me feel. I think you would just be fine with nolva. Make sure to have an AI on hand during the cycle- nolva won’t do the same thing. Finally, most people use hcg during the cycle instead of pct.

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[quote]HowGreatIAm wrote:
You aren’t giving primo enough time to work. I would scratch it. Just go with a basic test prop cycle with EOD injections. You can use anavar if you still want. Also, this is just a personal preference but I hate how clomid makes me feel. I think you would just be fine with nolva. Make sure to have an AI on hand during the cycle- nolva won’t do the same thing. Finally, most people use hcg during the cycle instead of pct. [/quote]

So basically just what I said? Lol

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[quote]Rxx wrote:
So basically just what I said? Lol[/quote]

Lol. Yes I suppose so.

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I would just go with 500mg of test for 12 weeks. For the first cycle use as little as possible. Personally, I wouldnt even use the Dbol.