Confused on First Cycle

Pharma
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I’m considering doing my first cycle and i’m still really confused. i’ve been reading a few forums and an older book “anabolics 2004: anabolic steriod reference manual” by william llewellyn. It seems everyone has a different theory. ive read a lot that say to use somewhat moderately for you 1st cycle and others say that your response is the best during your first cycle, so you should go big. i would love to believe the latter.

my personal info is im 6 01 205-210, 11%-12% body fat and 27 years old. ive been training for 9 years but sport specific training for wrestling. lifting as much as possible to put on muscle between seasons and doing what i can to maintain during the season while cutting weight. for the past two years i have been doing crossfit and lifting pretty intensely. i have since given up crossfit to focus on getting bigger and prettier but still compete in judo and other combat sports.

my diet is good as a general term. but i dont have a specific diet i follow. i used to do paleo as crossfit endoursed but felt tired and run down all the time. now a typical day will include eggs and oatmeal for breakfast; grilled chicken, steamed veggies and some fruit for lunch; and dinner is something like steak or a burger with veggies and fruit again or maybe spaghetti or fajitas occasionally. snacks in between meals are nuts and cheese or a protein shake. i dont track my intake of calories or protein carbs and fat.

i have never had an issue with my weight. i have always been the skinny kid. an example of contradicting theories would be something ive read on this forum that HCG is not a PCT tool. but used to keep your boys on during the cycle. but in the book i mentioned above it only discusses HCG as a PCT tool and not used during the cycle. is this just because the book is a little old and possibly outdated? i would like to do a large cycle for my first time to get bigger and still stay somewhat lean or get leaner. here is a cycle i found that i would like to do. but i feel it would be exessive and unnecessary for a first timer.

WEEKS 1-5: 100mg Masteron (1ml) Every Other Day / 150mg Test Propionate (1.5ml) Every Other Day
WEEKS 6-10: 75mg Trenbolone (1ml) Every Other Day / 150mg Test Propionate(1.5ml) Every Other Day
WEEKS 2-4: 40mcg Clenbuterol Every Other Day
WEEKS 5-7: 40mcg Clenbuterol / Day, 5 days on, 2 days off
WEEKS 8-10: 80mcg Clenbuterol Every Other Day
WEEK 11: 50mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 750mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 12: 100mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1000mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 13: 100mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1250mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 14: 150mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1500mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 15: 100mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1500mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 16: 50mg Oxymetholone Every Day / 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1500mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 17: 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1500mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 18: 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 1000mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day
WEEK 19: 50mg Winstrol Strombafort Every Day / 500mg Stealth Test Enanthate / 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day

and use 300-500iu of HCG every 4-5 days through out.

this comes as a kit and is not the product of my own research and experience. it just seems like a great idea based on what i have read about all the products included. i have spent several months reading and researching this and it seems the deeper i get the more confused i get. i just continue to discover how much i dont know. any help would be greatly appreciated! thank you. sorry if this post is too long. but i didnt want to be condemned for not including enough info as i have seen before in this forum. if i failed to include some vital information i apologize for that as well.

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You would be fucking crazy to run this as a first cycle - or any for that matter. And by the way, steroids will not make you “prettier”.

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I would strongly Encourage you not to do that as your first cycle. There’s a reason why everyone says stick with a test only cycle for your first cycle. If your using all those compounds and start having sides how do know which one is causing it? How do you know how your body is gonna react to all that?

For your first cycle you want to run only test, then with every cycle after that add one compound. If you follow this you will know how your body acts to each compound. Since test is pretty much a base of all cycles you want to know how your body reacts to that. Then once you know how it reacts with your next cycle add one compound, see how you react and so on with each additional cycle. If you do this and you start getting sides it’s easier to pin point the culprit of it and makes it easier to get rid of the sides an it also let’s you know for future use what works and what doesn’t for your body.

Also, it allows you to know how much AI to take during cycle, also you need to know what pct works for you, some recover fine with a standard pct some need a more aggressive pct.

You’ll get plenty of gains with a test only first cycle. It’s foolish to do all this and for that long for your first cycle. Your better off doing a 10 week test E cycle with hcg ran during the cycle with adex and a Nolva pct.

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this is way to heavi for first run m8 :slight_smile:

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those cycles where people mix different types of test make my head hurt. I just don’t understand why you’d do it

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thanks. i new that to be too crazy but just needed to hear it from other folks. i guess im just like a little kid and was wanting to be impatient and go balls to the wall. i will probably do something like this.

Week / Test.E / Danabol / Winstrol :
1) 500mg/week 20mg/day       50mg/day
2) 500mg/week 20mg/day       50mg/day
3) 500mg/week 20mg/day       50mg/day
4) 500mg/week 20mg/day       50mg/day
5) 500mg/week -------------- 50mg/day
6) 500mg/week -------------- 50mg/day
7) 500mg/week -------------- 50mg/day
8) 500mg/week
9) 500mg/week
WEEKS 1-8:HCG (GONASI HP) 300-500iu Every 4-5 Days**
Post Cycle Therapy
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex
with 0.25mg Arimidex Every Other Day through out weeks 1-9
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That looks a bit better, I’d still recommend a test only cycle but your gonna do what your gonna do so,

  • I’d run atleast 10 weeks of test E just because it takes 5-6 weeks to really start seeing results

  • I would probably run 30mg of dbol

  • run the hcg 250iu 2x a week and run it up to 4-5 days before pct

  • I would save the winstrol for another cycle

  • run the adex up to the last week before pct, tapering down the last week before pct

-pct starts 2 weeks after last pin of test, so if you run a 9 week cycle pct starts week 12, if it was a 10 week cycle pct starts week 13 and ran for 4 weeks clomid at 100/100/50/50 and the Nolva at 40/40/20/20

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thanks for the help. i hadn’t even thought about pinpointing the culprit of the side effects in all that mess. i had just read about everything involved and thought “sounds good to me”. thanks for keeping me from doing something extremely stupid.

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Glad you listened, it’s funny how people ask for advice and once they get it, they don’t take if and they think their way is better. Glad to see that your thinking

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Where do you find Arimidex in USA? Is there some other name of it? Here in my country I can find nolva easy in tha pharmacy but they said they havent heard about arimidex…

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try asking for this… anastrozole

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Keep it simple for a first cycle.

Test prop / Tren ace is quite easy to manage correctly if you get legitimate trenbolone. Despite what people will say, tren ace is not “harsh”.

However, if you can’t find that, just do Test prop/winstrol or test prop/dbol. Run the orals (winny and dbol) for weeks 2-6.

Inject the test prop every day for stable blood levels. Also consider using insulin pins for ED injections. Read up on injection technique/how to avoid nerves and veins.