How do you know? By fluctuation in body weight? By moving more weight? By body measurement?
Alll 3 plus I’m getting denser
You’re not helping yourself here.
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Well I’m not getting softer lol I don’t know how else to describe it
I indeed do. Simply email me with the subject “I am not worthy of your greatness” and I will send it… whenever I feel like it. 
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Damn! Well I would have liked it 10 times if I could. Its a really cool and useful tool.
How intense, how TRULY heavy, and how regimented do you really lift? Are you hitting the big compound lifts like squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, incline/flat barbell or dumbbell, military press, etc etc? Can you honestly say you are training at 100% intensity/ferocity (if you’ve ever seen Dorian videos or Branch Warren videos, that is what I am talking about)?
Did you have a very solid “base” of lean muscle mass before you began the above AAS? And finally, the reason I am asking all of these questions is, you are taking several compounds with moderate to high-moderate doses (although the low test level is very strange, that as the base should be 750mg/wk or more. your dose is way too low and should not be eclipsed by EQ) and I think you also stated later on that you are taking tren now?
The above quote is what I am getting at…before attempting to “bulk” (I despise that term as for many it means they can get fat/eat crap and while gaining 10’s of pounds, most of it is in fact fat and NOT muscle tissue), my advice based upon your physique would be to do cardio at least once a day(6X a week!), in the morning on an empty stomach for an hour, either a high incline treadmill or the stairclimber, and yes, you can also lift weights later in the day. Since you obviously are already running AAS, you can actually still lose bodyfat and put on muscle, it just won’t be as substantial since you are doing cardio 6 days a week…yes, you need to do that 6 days a week on an empty stomach. As Hank stated, you would look 10x better getting your bodyfat (not to be insulting but realistic…I’m guessing you’re probably around 26% BF +/- a couple percent) down below 12% so you can actually SEE your muscle/shape and you would look much, much better!! Of course, you will possibly weight much less, like perhaps 180lbs or so, but you will not be smooth/doughy. What good is "bulking from 220lbs up to maybe 240lbs, maybe putting on a few lbs of lean muscle while also putting on 15+ lbs of fat/water??? Yeah, you’ll be heavier if sheer mass/weight is your goal, but with a shirt on you will probably actually look like a fatter version of yourself! I won’t harp on it because many others have already said it, but you should’ve really asked everyone’s opinion BEFORE starting AAS and then most would have told you what I’ve just said…lose the bodyfat FIRST so you can see your muscles/body better, THEN take the AAS if you feel you should and go all out.
Just being honest, if I were to see you in the locker room at my gym changing/without your shirt on and I saw what I see in your pictures, I would never in a million years for one second think “damn, that dude is definitely on some stuff!” I’m just being honest man, not trying to insult, but when I see a dude with veins everywhere (I can’t even see any vascularity on you with your BF levels and most people when “on” get crazy veins popping everywhere), with popping traps, big horseshoe triceps, a back that has crazy bumps and angles, I immediately KNOW that guy is running something. And don’t you kinda also want to have that reaction/response from folks? You’re lying if you say no…for we wouldn’t take AAS if we didn’t want our hard work/efforts to not be noticed.
But as I said above, you can still put on muscle since you are running AAS AND lose bodyfat, but you have to mentally prepare yourself to NOT look at the scale much and instead look only in the mirror at the changes there, because doing both at the same time, your actual weight probably will only go down, but it won’t be going down because you aren’t putting any muscle on, it will just solely be fat loss…your muscle gains will just slow that progression.
Well, that’s my .02, I just have read this thread several times now and been scratching my head wondering what in the hell you are attempting to get out of this besides simply getting bigger/puffier, and probably an ever bigger stomach…only to maybe see some tiny traps come up a bit more or have the tape measure on your arms increase an inch or so (but probably not from actual lean muscle)? You gotta lose the stomach and the overall “coat” of BF bro, and trust me I know, before I ever competed I thought I was BIG since I weighed around 250 but when I dieted down for my first show I weighed in at 220lbs! I was devastated as I thought I’d be stepping onstage in the 240s, haha. BUT, while I lost weight, under it I was able to see quiet a bit of lean muscle mass and I could for the first time see the actual shapes of all my muscle groups and I looked bigger than I did previously. Over the years I was able to add a pretty substantial amount of lean mass so that I competed in the SHW class and stepped onstage in the 240s! But as so many have said, the scale doesn’t mean shit, you have to really go by the mirror/pictures.
I hope you will at least read this with an open mind and not get angry when reading but realize that I’m just being very blunt/honest with you because I completely understand the desire to be BIG but know that being BIG but also doughy is nowhere near as impressive as being perhaps lighter but with visible muscles/definition/vascularity.
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It’s hard having lifts go down. Seeing the arms measure a bit smaller on the tape measure. Realizing that you aren’t as jacked as you thought you’d be after losing 15 lbs, and that you need another 10 lbs gone.
At the same time, it does look better. It looks like this guy takes the gym seriously. It looks like he is saucing. I get a lot more comments about lifting when leaner and less muscular.
I don’t think insults have a place for stuff like this. We all have different genetics, trained for different periods of time, etc… But IMO, there is a level of delusion with OP. Not as an insult, but as something I hope he examines about himself. The pictures don’t match the words.
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I’m gonna jump out on a limb here and assume the OP does NOT train legs, which make up at least half (sometimes more) of a person’s bodyweight), which again makes me wonder what is even the purpose of running AAS if you don’t want to get bigger EVERYWHERE?
And I’d be willing to bet (a LOT of money) that heavy deadlifts, rack pulls, barbell rows, etc [with PROPER form]) are not being performed either judging by the thickness.
I agree mnben87, I think there is much delusion here and exactly as you state, the pictures do NOT match what you say. You say of eating a ton of protein, getting in over 3k cals/day, lifting “hard and heavy” getting “denser” [whatever that means], but I just don’t see it. I think you feel just running some “gear” will instantly make you look like a bodybuilder, or at least someone who lifts hard and heavy, but sadly I think you have now found that the diet, the intensity, the gut-wrenching workouts, etc have to accompany the AAS for they are merely a tool, an assistance, to reaching those goals. They do not mean you can take them, do some random ass workouts with various splits/bodyparts a few times a week, drink a couple of protein shakes a day, etc for a few months and then BOOM! you look like Branch Warren…Unfortunately that is not how they work. My hope, and I’m sure this is what mnben87 also wishes, is that you truly ruminate on what we have said and direct your approach to losing the bodyfat, learning the proper biomechanics of the big lifts I’ve mentioned, and then hit the gym with all out intensity/fury with training hard, trying to get progressively stronger, adding weights to your lifts, building a good base and keeping consistent. With your age, I honestly don’t see the need to even be running AAS (starting from where you are at least)…maybe get on TRT and hopefully you can get on a “high” Test optimization dose of 200mg/wk, and just be happy with that. Trying to all the sudden get “jacked” after 40…you’re facing a steep uphill climb bro, you’re much more likely to get injured, your recovery from workouts isn’t near as fast as in your 20s, your joints/ligaments/tendons are beat up, etc.
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LMAO
I train legs twice a week
And I was jacked in my 20s
And I literally do every thing you mentioned
May 16
6 days ago
Also 6 days ago
Yesterday
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Late response… But I love how we happen to have read the EXACT same studies. I oftentimes notice the studies you link are studies that I read when I was 17-18-19-20 years old. I don’t keep up to date on AAS literature anymore as it is not a topic that interests me nearly as much as it once did. I keep up to date with regards to literature that covers genetic diseases, neurological disorders, autoimmune rheumatological conditions etc.
There is such a large quantity of studies available for review in medical journal’s. Yet by chance, the studies we have read oftentimes seem to overlap
Similar interests I suppose… I’m probably travelling to the US soon (looking into surgical modalities to fix shoulders that aren’t available in my country after having exhausted conservative measures), shoot me an email if you want to talk more often.
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Well shit, why didn’t you say so earlier? You obviously don’t really need any advice from all of us since you were “jacked” way back then (even though you say this is your first cycle)…hmmmm, jacked but natural way back when…?
Regardless, you’re going to do what you see fit no matter what any of us say, so good luck. But I was not the first, or only person to give actual cycle/physique advice regarding your situation and it seemed to not be heard judging by your one sentence answers and defiant tone; stating you do legs, and you already do all the things I suggested. I know any further discussion will be met with defensiveness and/or falsehoods.
I’ll just leave with: dude, please listen to me and those of us who have suggested to lose (one “o”) a lot of the bodyfat so that the physique underneath can actually be seen. It will look 1000X better and I can guarantee that you will be amazed at what you’ve got under there. And before you go thinking that I’m being an ass or not cool…dude, if I didn’t care to give honest [yes, some might say brutal] advice, I’d have just clicked right past this thread…So it should be obvious that I do come from a place of experience and wish to save you a lot of wasted effort.
Ah yes, last, as Rusty Hammer posted above, just be honest when you post…you can’t lose 15lbs and then say you’ve gained like 20 lbs. If you are losing fat and gaining muscle, then common sense would dictate that the actual number on the scale would only be moving either up or down, but not by very much since losing fat would make it trend down but gaining muscle[water weight] would push the number up; so it would end up being most likely LOWER bodyweight if you were losing fat faster than gaining muscle(which is easier for the body to do, physiologically)…but I haven’t seen that kinda body recomposition from your pics as the BF level still looks way over 25%.
That’s all I’ve got. What you choose to do is obviously all your decision. Good luck.
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I’m not upset or giving any attitude text has no tone a and I don’t know how to just highlight a section of a comment in order to respond to just that I do all the compound lifts you were talking about and my split is chest/tris back/bis shoulders/legs and I do that twice a week as far as progress goes I only have a planet fitness I can max our every machine and the biggest dumbbells they have are 75s I’m definitely not in great shape but as i was born with one testicle I have basically been low t my entire life so I am doing what feels right I have made a lot of progress over the past year and a half but I understand and respect where you are coming from I looking back running dbol for my first cycle was a very poor decision but hindsight is 20/20
You’re contradicting yourself again. Unless you found a novel way to do heavy squat, deadlift and bench with 75lb dumbbells.
This is the least delusional thing you’ve posted thus far in this thread.
They have a squat rack but it’s a controlled one like on a slider which is where I do my bent over rows and deadlifts and squats
Shit!! Well, is there really no way you can either find another adequate gym or drive just a bit further, or something? Cuz I’ve heard how awful the weights/machines at that shithole are and it will make it tough to really train hard there. If not, well, you will just have to get very creative.
I’d suggest a four-day rotation also (especially so you can focus on the big muscle groups-giving legs and back their own day…those muscle groups are so big and complex, and you have to train them so heavy, that adding anything else onto those days is just going to make you put in a less than max effort on the add-ons): Try Legs, Chest and biceps, rest, shoulders & triceps, back, rest, repeat. Every couple of weeks, take like 2 days off in a row for additional rest.
- By getting creative, you may for instance have to do some pre-exhaust type exercises for muscle groups so you won’t need to go as heave. For instance, there’s no law saying you can’t do dumbell incline fly’s for your chest first (I doubt you would need more than 75lbs for that), and THEN do an incline barbell press…or do free weight exercises first before you move on to machines in case the shitty purple machines don’t have a very big weight stack. If you pre-exhaust, you won’t need as much weight to work the muscles.
But I doubt they can “limit” how many plates you can put on a barbell so couldn’t you do heavy rows, military/bench, walking lunges, deadlifts, etc? If you can, stick to those movements and do them first. But for god’s sakes, try and find another gym! That place sucks[no offense}
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