I’ve seen guys my age, height, and experience take roids and get big. I don’t understand why everybody on this site says it can’t be done.
[quote]HardGainer23 wrote:
I’ve seen guys my age, height, and experience take roids and get big. I don’t understand why everybody on this site says it can’t be done.[/quote]
No one not even 1 person ever said that it could NOT be done. Hell yes it could be but your not ready and neither were your friends who got “big”. We would have told them the same thing. Oral only cycles are shit and cycles period flat at your level are not needed you have plenty left in the tank to keep growing. Do what has been said to you stop cardio sp much, EAT, Train, and sleep you will grow. If you don’t like that go ask your “big” friends I am sure they will point you in the right direction and you will be massive and a pro like them (sarcasm if you didn’t catch it )
Okay I understand. My question now is why not take drol in the proposed cycle I originally said. I know that I don’t know anything about steroids, so will you please explain to me exactly why I shouldn’t do out other than “you’re not ready”.
The drol is not the problem its the entire cycle man. On top of you not be ready the proposed cycle is garbage
Okay Thanks. I appreciate you giving me answers to learn from. I will wait to use it, but what would be a good cycle for it?
When you have put on at least another 15lbs…
week 1-4
Test E 750mg
Drol 60mg Daily
Week 5-12
Test E 750mg
PCT 3 weeks after last pin
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Enjoy a real cycle and tell your friends they are morons
Nothing bro, if you have read these posts enough to understand that oral drol is a bad idea period, and a very bad first cycle, then you should know what the best thing to do for a first cycle is…it contains needles so if you are scared of the needle(or just dont want it) then just wait until you want it bad enough to pin, because it doesn’t hurt unless you are too weak to be doing gear in the first place.
read some first cycle posts, and just so we are clear, I agree with these guys that you are too young AND not big enough, sorry but its the truth
get your blood work done and see if your t levels are where they should be… never know, they could be crashing…
and i pretty much agree with everyone else, eat, eat, eat… and train hard… make sure you hammer your legs the hardest… can’t expect to grow if you’re not hitting the biggest muscle the hardest…
[quote]Reed wrote:
take the Drol and shove every tab up your ass[/quote]
Rectal administration increases the bioavailabity (compared to oral) of many drugs substantially… Just sayin’ 
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
take the Drol and shove every tab up your ass[/quote]
Rectal administration increases the bioavailabity (compared to oral) of many drugs substantially… Just sayin’
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All right all right I will start taking all my orals anally and will report back asap
Thanks man, will do. I’ll try to hit 185/190 first. Test E is injected, right? Is it hard to inject? I don’t want to mess it up when I get around to it.
[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
get your blood work done and see if your t levels are where they should be… never know, they could be crashing…
and i pretty much agree with everyone else, eat, eat, eat… and train hard… make sure you hammer your legs the hardest… can’t expect to grow if you’re not hitting the biggest muscle the hardest…[/quote]
I might have to get that checked out. I hit legs the same as everything else: when I go in the gym I train harder than I thought possible,. Never leave knowing I could’ve done more. I eat like a crazy person. I took some over the counter test boosters when I was young; could’ve messed up my levels. (Cellucor P6 and Bulgarian Tribulus)
[quote]HardGainer23 wrote:
Okay Thanks. I appreciate you giving me answers to learn from. I will wait to use it, but what would be a good cycle for it? [/quote]
GOMAD
[quote]HardGainer23 wrote:
[quote]Mr_Freshnuts wrote:
get your blood work done and see if your t levels are where they should be… never know, they could be crashing…
and i pretty much agree with everyone else, eat, eat, eat… and train hard… make sure you hammer your legs the hardest… can’t expect to grow if you’re not hitting the biggest muscle the hardest…[/quote]
I might have to get that checked out. I hit legs the same as everything else: when I go in the gym I train harder than I thought possible,. Never leave knowing I could’ve done more. I eat like a crazy person. I took some over the counter test boosters when I was young; could’ve messed up my levels. (Cellucor P6 and Bulgarian Tribulus)[/quote]
No “might” about it, you should’ve done that before you even posted about cycling.
Training as hard as you possibly can isn’t always the best approach. The person who trains smart and moderately hard (and knows when to back off!) makes better gains than the guy who goes balls to the wall all the time (which isn’t smart).
It is highly unlikely that OTC test boosters would have messed up your HPTA. If your tests come back funny, it probably isn’t from the test boosters. Hell, if test boosters actually boost T I’d be surprised. Don’t waste your money on them. For supps, protein, creatine, multi, fish oil, glucosamine, vit D, and melatonin. Nothing glamorous, but much cheaper and more effective.
I give you props bro, after all the shit we talked you posted a pic to show what you have done so far, and I give it to you you have to eat right and train to get cut like that, but just remember, in order to gain weight you cant be scared to eat more than you feel you should, and you can’t be afraid to lose some cut in order to “bulk” a lot of guys wanna stay shredded and gain a bunch of weight, it doesn’t work like that.
You can do it, yes E is inject-able, easy to do, way easier than you think and when you see the results you will start to love “pin” day.
Again, props on putting up with the trash talk, and enjoy being able to eat more of what you want, some of us(me) have to eat crazy lean in order not to gain the bad weight, but with your body type that won’t happen
[quote]Reed wrote:
When you have put on at least another 15lbs…
week 1-4
Test E 750mg
Drol 60mg Daily
Week 5-12
Test E 750mg
PCT 3 weeks after last pin
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Enjoy a real cycle and tell your friends they are morons[/quote]
Have to say that sounds a great first cycle for someone who would like a bit more than the standard low/moderate dose test only… I think a reasonably aggressive first cycle is the best bet for serious lifters (with good knowledge/experience of training and diet, of course)
agree completely, this kid looks serious about physique so if he follows advise and eats the high high calorie intake he needs he would do great with that cycle. I feel like he wouldn’t see the results he wants with a low/moderate dose either.
Do lots more research man! he’s pushing for the answer because he wants to cycle asap and tell his source what he needs.
I read up and did research on the net about AAS for at least 2 years, got familiar with the compound names and anti Es what goes with what, dosages for different types of gear what to mix and what not to mix. You need to understand that running oral only cycles are very toxic on your system because your liver has to process the gear, as opposed to pinning into your muscle.
I did my first cycle about 6 months ago when I was your age (Im a year older) spent all of my 23rd year and most of 24th year reading every night up threads on gym vets doing cycles and info and sticking hard to squat bench and deadlifts,you gotta be smart and this type of stuff if you dont get it right you will fuck you up bad.
you dont take a test (no pun intended :P) without studying do you? this is just the same.
the boys on here are looking out for you, you may feel like we are trying to ruin your fun but its better to be healthy and ready to rock then having to inject testosterone replacement therapy for the rest of your life every week because you wanted to cycle without sound knowledge.
Thanks guys. I train as hard as I possibly can, and I am focusing on taking in as many calories as possible for optimal muscle growth. I really appreciate all the replies. Probably saved me from fucking up. I do research all day every day on nutritional science as it relates to muscle growth and hypertrophy. I obviously should take the same route in AAS before using. You all were a lot of help.
Okay i didnt read the whole thread but let me take a stab at why walkaway thinks you are retarded. 250g protein x4 =1000 calories, 225x4= 900 calories. 30x9= 270. Total, 2170. 3000-4000 calories eh? So lets say 3500. 3500-2170=1330 calories left. 1330/7= about 196 grams of alcohol you must be consuming ;). Eat more and learn to do proper math before you randomly fire out numbers you read on forums and say you are getting that many calories. Eat more, hit 200 lbs, then come back.