[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
[quote]karim.arafa wrote:
[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
[quote]karim.arafa wrote:
[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
Oral only cycles arent the best choice if your goal is to gain weight. They work best when used in combination of an injectable.
I have no clue whats in halodrol, i know halotestin is one of most toxic orals there is. Its a very powerfull androgenic oral but not very anabolic at all.
Its populairly used by powerlifters as preworkout for extra aggresion. That stuff will go really strong but turn you in a complete asshole with aggresion problems.
If your interested in gaining mass you can do a very basic test only cycle
Hgh is known for increasing injury recovery. No clue how big of a dose your planning to use but for injury recovery purpuse you really dont need a big dose. Probably ask some expert about hgh for recovery. It works for only about 7 minutes if im correct, so you’d need to take it for a very long time. Since its so expensive and often fake, its your call
Hope this helps[/quote]
This is the make up of Halodrol (the product i have at least):
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b-17b-diol, 25mg
In reply to injectables, like i said, i want to see how my shoulder will handle training and if all goes well, ill be doing a light test cycle or possibly anavar and ill be running the Gh for at least 6 months.
Just want to know if my set up is good to go? wasn’t sure if i should use ERASE as it has an AI and hdrol doesn’t aromatise. However, some have said to have gyno flare up and is why I’m using the forma and erase. Also should i add a test booster at the end of the cycle or will it not shut me down that bad?[/quote]
I looked it up, apparently its pretty popular and proven effective for beginners. The only downside is liver toxicity since you need higher doses for the tbol conversion. I wouldn’t go with prohormones cause they haven’t been around for decades and no long term effect studies have been done on them.
I dont think a test booster is gonna cut it, halodrol doesnt aromatize and your not using any compound that does which will leave you with low to no estrogen in your system.
If you have low estrogen, you’ll get all kinds of side effects. You’ll be moody and probably worst for you (i take it if your gonna do peds you asked yourself and accepted the fact that your willing to take the risks asosiated with it) you wont be able to have an erection and you wont care.
So besides liver protection, you should use at least a replacement dose of testosterone or any other aromatizable steroid to provide enough estrogen. So regardless you have to use some injectable, you cant add any other oral (cause you’ll end up like the kid lui marco made a video about that he destroyed his liver so bad he had yellow eyes and blamed it on steroids)
Any steroid will cause shutdown, some are just easier to recover from. Orals usually don’t shut you down as harsh as injectables do (probably cause you cant use them long and short half life) but they cant give you the same results. Its a trade off … if your goal is to recover your natural test production as fast as you can when you come off, take your orals in the morning… orals usually have a half life of about 5-8 hours (depends on compound) and you natural test is produced while your asleep, doing so will interfere the least with it possibly minimizing shutdown (but only) slightly. Second, once your shutdown your shutdown.
A very populair cycle plan made famous by bill roberts is to be 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, been 2 weeks on its not enouth time to cause your testes to desentisize to any major degree and make your htpa will be very sensetive to lh, causing you to recover very fast (alot if not all people who take this approach report continuous gains while their off).
If you want to avoid using injectables, you could use hcg to maintain testiculair size and function, a simple dose of 250iu twice a week will do the trick … it should be enough to maintain but of course you have to adjust it to yourself, better if you ask advice with hcg from a vet since it improper use could result in permanent insensitivity to lh (aka a one way ticket to trt for life city)
Really i wouldn’t recommend any steroid cycle without hcg, if used properly its only a loss not to use it
Hope all that helps, a basic summery you could just add hcg for your low estrogen problem …
Good luck with your shoulder and have a nice day! [/quote]
Dutchie,
Thank you for taking the time to write all this. Its very informative and now I’m thinking twice about running Halodrol. From the forums, it seemed like many did hdrol and were happy with the results. A large majority didn’t even bother to add all the sups and just went with a OTC PCT. But like you said, just coz they haven’t seen any reproutions, doesn’t meant it won’t show up later.
I was trying to get a hold of some hcg but unfortunately i wasn’t able to score any.
Now I’m stuck with all these sups lol and spent hundreds on them. I don’t think i want to do it anymore given all what you said and given that i can’t get my hands on any hcg.
How about if i add test to the mix? will that help and is that ok to do given its my first cycle and i really don’t how much of a beating my shoulder can take? I know you took the time to write all that but now i don’t know if i should dump it or run it and see?
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Happy to help,
Do what feels best, like i said i wouldn’t fuck around with prohormones cause they haven’t been around for decades. Its your call, dump it or run it … if you cant get your hands on hcg, then you better add a replacement dose of test for estrogen conversion.
If you can afford it, you can take hgh for months without needing pct. Since its so expensive, for recovery purpose a dose as small as 1iu a day can do the trick (youtube steroid guru clint darden who has a degenerative disease says .75iu a day did enouth for him)
Since your not looking for hyperplasia no need for huge doses. Besides, some people claim side effects of growth start at 4iu,just up the dose according to your needs
On a side note take a pregnancy test to see if your hgh is legit, if the test is positive you got yourself hcg.
You can calmly start taking growth whenever you want, do your best to heal your shoulder cause adding or doing just test is gonna put size on you (due to neural efficiency from androgens, you’ll inevitably get stronger too).
On your first cycly anything will work, if you decide to run it do your best to find a source that has hcg or youll have to add test
If you do take test you kinda defeat the purpose of oral cycles, test will shut you down depending on how much and how long you take it[/quote]
Thanks again Duthie, Honestly this is the most help I’ve got across many boards.
I don’t want to get annoying and ask too many questions, but I’ve researched test and hcg to check for dosing. Im not sure how to apply it to a halodrol cycle since most people run it with other AAS rather than with a pro hormone or they run it alone.
What would the dosing be if i run it with halodrol and would i change my support / pct sups or will the nolva cut it? Do i run it as soon as i start the hdrol and stop with my last pill or do i run it longer ? if choose to add test to the mix. please excuse my ignorance but does test bloat u like crazy, seen many running test look like a veiny (don’t know if thats a word) balloon . I know beggars can’t be choosers but I’m opting for a more aesthetic physic (think fitness model) rather than a bodybuilder so i don’t know if test would fit my goals.
Thanks again dutchie and sorry for the questions!!