O.K. here is what I have decided on.
week1-6
30mg d-bol ED
500 sust/week
.5 arimidex ED
50mg clomid ED
week6-8
500 sust/week
.5 arimidex ED
50mg clomid ED
primabolan 400mg/week
week8-10
primabolan 400mg/week
clomid 50mg ED
My only question is when to start HCG and for how long.
We just had a pretty nice thread on HCG. You should find any answers you need there.
And my opinion would be not to run the clomid throughout the cycle, I think it would just be a waste of it.
Just my 2cc
lol, i love it! just my 2cc’s. thats great.
also frontload your sust by using 1000mg the first week, this will get your blood levels up faster… just my 2mg/cc
the bro’s above gave you good advice. drop the clomid during. run hcg at 250 i.u’s every sat and sunday throughout. as stated, frontload the sust. good cycle. i really like the primo at the end. you will need to run clomid well past week 10 though. just be sure to have enough. actually you should start it at week 10 and run it for 3-6 weeks depending on your needs.
no need for the primo at the end like that, all you are doing is extendidng the length of time you have aas in your system and preventing your post cycle therapy.
Snipeout, I understand what you are saying about increase in the amount of time the AAS are in your system by adding primo but don’t you think there are any benefits to doing so. Primo isn’t very suppressive at all and I imagine it would help to solidify your gains. I could be wrong, it just seems to make sense. Hey drago, care to share why you like primo at the end?
you already said it. it allows recovery while retaining gains at the most vulnerable time. i dont seem to have recovery issues with primo post.
That’s what I thought, just wanted you to confirm it. Thanks.
Even primobolan is surpressive. The body is still gonna read it and not recover. Isn’t that the same theory as tapering? Say he drops down to 250mg of Sus…it won’t help recovery. I think the same would go for primobolan ( primobolan and even anavar are surpressive I have read )
primo is less suppressive. i dont suggest running the entire post cycle on primo. just up to the start of clomid therapy. sust and primo arent a good comparison since one is highly suppressive and one is not. all steroids are suppressive but to different degrees. this is a way i have found to avoid some of the big drop off in strength while “T” levels are low at our most vulnerable time post cycle.
to clarify what i was saying is that if he is gonna bridge up to his clomid i think maybe 200mg a week would be better don’t you drago?
yup. 200-400mgs/wk should work nicely.
this primo bridge shit is confusing me here. i really dont understand the point of it. please try to follow my logic and correct me if im wrong.
as i see it, the idea of the primo bridge is to add a less supressive androgen in order to provide “anabolic support” up until post cycle therapy begins. however imo if you timed your post cycle therapy properly it wouldnt be necessary.
for example lets say you run your first 6 weeks of sust, the last two you run prop, and then begin clomid therapy 5-7 days after last injection. if the active half life of sust is 2-3 weeks and prop is 3-5 days you would still have high enough blood levels between your final injection and the start of clomid.
obviously your blood levels would not be as high. but wouldnt there still be enough androgen in your system for those 5-7 days between final injection and the start of clomid therapy to provide enough “anabolic support?” i thought that is the whole reason we strive so hard to time our post cycle therapy properly.
please correct me if im way off.
Honestly, I thought that the idea of a ‘bridge’ was in the same junk pile of history as pyrimiding and tapering down a cycle at the end (and Communism! - that’s for you, Pavel!).
I agree with P-Dog.
And yes, primobolan is less suppressive than almost any other AAS, but I don’t know that you could discount it’s effects on the HPTA and preventing recovery.
it really isnt a bridge and quite honestly isnt a huge part of a cycle. just a little something that helps me hold onto gains. pdog, no matter how well you time your post cycle recovery protocol there will be a period of reduced testosterone which is the point in time when you are most vulnerable to lose gains. especially in the context of the supraphysiological levels we are injecting as compared to endogenous test production. it isnt possible to have a seemless transition from “on” to “off”. IMO a little primo post just makes the transition a little easier.
but dont you still have to recover from the primo? i guess what im saying is that arent you in the same situation either way? primo is still supressive.
in my experience primo is only mildly suppressive. it is mild enough to allow recovery in my case. but i wouldnt run it more then lets say, weeks 8-11 or 12 post cycle of an 8 weeker. and at mild dosages such as 200-300mgs/wk. nothing is worse then seeing your hard earned gains just melt away. especially after 56 staight fucking days of injections. this is a small way i have found to taper some of the drop off.