Go get blood work done first. Secondly, educate yourself. What you want to do comes from ignorance on the subject (not saying you are ignorant). All first cycles should be test only. Dosage is dependent.
Seriously, go about this the right way. You can really screw yourself up.
That combo of orals will do more damage in eight weeks than you’d do running two 12 week testosterone-based cycles a year. And it’s not even debatable. Each of those orals have their own benefits, but not in combination. I am toying with a mixed oral blast, but it’s low doses and based on a deep scientific dive into how they would theoretically interact with one another. What you’re proposing is nothing short of slow-motion suicide.
Get some testosterone. Run it at 500mg/w for 12 weeks. Train like you used to. Eat like your life depends on it. You’ll be blown away by what you can accomplish with just that simple plan.
Ok. I’m after frank advice so thanks. I’ll start researching test only cycles. Complete newbie question but - why is everyone filling themselves full of shit if test is so much better? Genuinely intrigued. A lot of my friends look like Greek gods and they’re doing various cocktails. I’m cautious but interested in knowing what you know. Any input appreciated…
There’s nothing wrong with cocktails I think you misinterpreted the advice. Testosterone is a solid starting point. I personally don’t run high test anymore I use these other “cocktails” altho nothing as bad as that bulk bomb you mentioned that is just pointless. I like adol and dbol combined.
Anyways were getting off topic. The point is start with testosterone see how you handle it get an idea for how you manage estrogen etc then in the future add a new compound see how it effects you then add another and so on until you have found a combination you like. I personally think testosterone only at high doses sucks and is dirty. But it’s important that I started with it first to gauge how I handle it sense I use it in all my future cycles at some sorta dose.
Starting with a big combination can easily lead to problems then you have no idea what is causing the problem. How do you know which drug to stop? You don’t. When you add them one at a time you know what’s what make senee?
Probably because they don’t know any better. Remember, your health matters long term. If they are running what you plan to run, I can’t imagine them being around very long. Vital organs will take a serious hit.
Remember, if simple works, then keep it simple. Less is more.
Solid advice 
Poster he’s right on if u don’t wanna get huge or compete no reason to run risk… I started trt after my kids born…never wanted more & started cycling. So only concern is heart & liver… but also aas scrambles yur eggs… mental sides I can’t describe & have no idea what kinda long term harm I’ve done. For many of us it’s a game of beating father time & looking great as long as possible. If your not a vain selfish asshole this lifestyle might not be 4 u.
HGH won’t do u alot of good solo… high doses suck it’s expensive & yur joints will hurt bad + splitting headaches…u will tap out. Only way to take hgh is ease into it…2ius then work yur tolerance up… imo 4 is plenty for holding mass & fighting father time. That’s really all it’s good for. Guys that run tons of it can get enlarged organs & all kinds of bad shit.
Something I wish I had done too or frozen sperm. No amount of muscle mass can replace the regret one could possibly face not being able to father a child in the future and that is something that worries me as I will be looking to have children by the time im in my early thirties. I can only hope I will be able to resurrect a few swimmers to do the deed.
SB