im a complete noob when it comes to prohormones and crap like that. i recently got offered andro and timoxifen-clomophene. what are you guys veiws on these products?
and does andro stop my own natural test production?
why use prohormones when you can use the real thing, they often do more damage then good also.
how so? and im really not looking to jump right into the real thing… im only 18 and im just fucking around with stuff
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
how so? and im really not looking to jump right into the real thing… im only 18 and im just fucking around with stuff[/quote]
If you want solid sound advice, that would be don’t use anything that may inhibit your growth, at 18 you are most likely NOT done growing…so why chance it? Give yourself a few years, research what you are puting into your body and what the risks involved are. Bottom line, you are too young. You have a lot of natural test floating around that you should not want to halt.
Craig
Does it seem like a good idea for you to “fuck around” with shit?..esp. if you have pre-exsisting gyno.
Im not going to tell you to wait until your older because I started younger and had no problems but everyone is different. Just use google.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
how so? and im really not looking to jump right into the real thing… im only 18 and im just fucking around with stuff[/quote]
The real thing is much safer and more effective then the stuff you just want to fuck around with.
As mentioned, you are too young to be doing anything with steroids.
ok well ive already been taking it for 3 days, should i just go right off of it w/o taking anything for my natural test? ive got some clomiphene citrate mixed with tamoxifen. what im thinking is taking that will get my natural test lvls back up quick and no gyno… sry you guys have to hold my hand through this, ill be a little smarter next time
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
ok well ive already been taking it for 3 days, should i just go right off of it w/o taking anything for my natural test? ive got some clomiphene citrate mixed with tamoxifen. what im thinking is taking that will get my natural test lvls back up quick and no gyno… sry you guys have to hold my hand through this, ill be a little smarter next time[/quote]
3 days is not long enough to shut down your HPTA, so in other words, just stop taking it…you will be fine. And why in the goofy fuck would you have nolva mixed with clomid? Jesus.
Craig
hpta? and so your saying is nothing is wrong with anything besides me for taking the shit to begin with? XD
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
hpta? and so your saying is nothing is wrong with anything besides me for taking the shit to begin with? XD[/quote]
HPTA = hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis. Again, you need to read son before you put shit into your body you have no idea what it is or what it does. You will be just fine, just stop taking whatever it was and eat and train.
Craig
[quote]craig_4g63 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
hpta? and so your saying is nothing is wrong with anything besides me for taking the shit to begin with? XD
HPTA = hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis. Again, you need to read son before you put shit into your body you have no idea what it is or what it does. You will be just fine, just stop taking whatever it was and eat and train.
Craig[/quote]
kk thanks for the advice… wow i feel like a little kid who just got in trouble… haha
If your 18, I’d hold off on prohormones for a couple of years. The only ones that are good that I know of are 1AD and 4AD(although I haven’t tried this just from research. I ran 1AD a several times, stacked with 19nor or andro and by itself. I had some good gains. Andro is banned plus it has a high estrogen conversion which can cause gyno, bulks you up though. 4AD converts to testosterone so you’ll get a boost but it might suppress your natural production.
Results were best when I doubled the recommended dose. The original 1AD said take up to 7 caps a day 700mg, but they changed to 300mg to be politically correct.
I know a guy who’s taking some other prohormone product. Can’t remember the name. It has real steroid names on the bottle but its not the winni V D-anabol brand. Anyways this guy packed on some muscle.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
If your 18, I’d hold off on prohormones for a couple of years. The only ones that are good that I know of are 1AD and 4AD(although I haven’t tried this just from research. I ran 1AD a several times, stacked with 19nor or andro and by itself. I had some good gains. Andro is banned plus it has a high estrogen conversion which can cause gyno, bulks you up though. 4AD converts to testosterone so you’ll get a boost but it might suppress your natural production.
Results were best when I doubled the recommended dose. The original 1AD said take up to 7 caps a day 700mg, but they changed to 300mg to be politically correct.
I know a guy who’s taking some other prohormone product. Can’t remember the name. It has real steroid names on the bottle but its not the winni V D-anabol brand. Anyways this guy packed on some muscle. [/quote]
the andro i got was 1-ad made by ergopharm
Okay, no one else has said this but:
You’re 5’11 215 at 8% BF, and you are only 18. You are a genetic monster in my eyes. Ride it out. From just the picture I can tell that much.
Stay off the drugs for a while, because, as I said before, you have fucking unbelievable genetics.
I agree with Joey, BTW, your growth plates have probably not stopped moving yet, and you don’t want to mess that up. Your picture shows great genetics, just eat clean and lift. Save the juice for when it will help, not hurt…
good deal, but do you guys think i can take the tamoxifen for my gyno that i have naturally? its a liquid, does anyone know what doses i should take? the dropper goes in .25ml increments.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
good deal, but do you guys think i can take the tamoxifen for my gyno that i have naturally? its a liquid, does anyone know what doses i should take? the dropper goes in .25ml increments.[/quote]
It depends on how it is dosed, what mg/ml. I have no idea what the effect of nolva has on someone so young, but typically you would try somewhere around 40mg per day for a week or 2 to see if it begins to clear up. Then you need to taper off of it.
Craig
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
good deal, but do you guys think i can take the tamoxifen for my gyno that i have naturally? its a liquid, does anyone know what doses i should take? the dropper goes in .25ml increments.[/quote]
From what I know Nolva only helps if it’s taken as soon as the gyno begins.
Anyway, why not just go to a doctor for your gyno instead of playing around with prescription meds you don’t understand?
Surgery will probably be your only option for the gyno. Letro might work but its not tested on people your age. Most pro and top amateur bodybuilders have had surgery just so you know.
the ergo 1 ad is some good shit.