[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
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Exactly.
And if people think “it’s fucking funneeeeee!” that he got fired, well, you reap what you sow.[/quote]
I think it is “fucking funneee” that he got fired. As in “I am laughing at him because he is an idiot who got fired” And I don’t care for you a bit![/quote]
You don’t care for me? Okay. Thank you for noting so.
I don’t personally think it particularly funny that he got fired - I found the entire thing disheartening. I feel that if people are laughing, though, that the guy opened himself to it.
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
Good.
No reason an adult male has to act like a fucking pig. And with all this talk about what is “alpha” on this forum, behaving like a 4th grader isn’t it.
See how it feels if some jackass said that to YOUR wife, GF, sister, or mother.
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There is no reason why someone should be fired for saying something outside of work that their boss wouldn’t like, social media or not. [/quote]
Bullshit.
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The title of this thread was fired after heckling reporter but he didn’t actually heckle her, she came up to him in a unprofessionnal manner and he said what he tought. He didn’t say anything bad and I agree with him that someone interfering on live TV can be funny. [/quote]
She’s interviewing someone else and dude pops his head in and says, “Fuck her in the pussy.” Then she confronts him.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
The problem is the imbalance of power…and for some reason a few people hear just don’t grasp that. We all agree the guy is a douchebag, what I don’t agree with is an employers right to make decisions about an employees life while they are off the clock so long as they are not breaking any laws.
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I didn’t read the rest of your post because, quite honestly, it’s based on nothing.
Firstly, this “imbalance of power” of which you speak…What.The.Fuck?
What do you expect there to be in a work place where YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS/OWNER/MANAGER??? Everyone to be holding hands singing kumbaya or some shit? Imbalance of power. This fuckin’ guy.
If you were to correct the “imbalance of power” what you would have is NO ONE IN POWER. If you spread the “power” around “evenly” therefore erasing any “imbalances” then everyone will have the same exact amount of power, which means there is absolutely no one with ANY POWER. If no one has any power, then no one is responsible or can be held responsible. Therefore, you have just, quite literally, made any social or commercial construct that was once in existence cease to be. No glue or leader(s) to hold everyone and everything together. There’s no more command chain or hierarchy or business model.
So, if that’s your ultimate goal, then you do not seem to have any historical perspective and are unable to consider any type of consequences past step 2 (i.e. the next step)
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
Nope - he wasn’t jailed for speaking his mind, but there are consequences to actions and his employer chose to not employ him anymore due to his behavior. Again, they did not stifle his right to free speech. Apparently their values do not align with his…[/quote]
He was punished for exercising free speech.
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Nope - he was fired for being a dumb ass. His free speech was not impinged or stifled … he was not jailed or held. His freedom was not altered in the sense that he still has the free will or choice to look for whatever other job he chooses.
I will agree with this however, I’d imagine it will be more difficult for him to find a comparable job elsewhere given this incident. However, I feel like you’re under the assumption that you can say whatever you want, whenever you want, to who ever you want without the threat or free of repercussion from any outside force or influence (i.e. employer or another free human being).
This is not so … As with this idiot being free to exercise his right to free speech and say what he wants, if he offends or embarrasses someone else, that person now has to the right to respond or defend themselves as they see fit (of course within the law … i.e. without the threat of violence). This includes the right of the employer to distance themselves from one who chooses to act in such a way and such a public way.
Always consider the repercussions before opening your mouth - especially in today’s day and age.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
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Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, this is one of the rare occassions where I would like to bitchslape everyone involved, for a variety of reasons.
We dont necessarily have to bring duels back, but I would like to be able to argue in a court of law that I pimp smacked someone for as very good reason, yes, it had to be done and yes, it advanced and furthered the commonwealth.[/quote]
This is funny - when I was in the service I used to promote an idea I had to fellow airmen. The idea revolved around a slap. Everyone gets one free slap a month, non-transferable and does not roll over - i.e. you can’t accumulate slaps over the course of time. It’s one a month, use it or lose it.
For the most part this is self-governing in that you don’t want to waste a slap on some dumb bullshit. You’ll want to use it for something good - something just. Everyone I told this idea to thought it was brilliant and would solve a lot of societal problems. I like to think it would change the world…
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
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Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
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Look, you’re not an idiot. And I believe you have a lot of personal issues clouding your judgement.
But you need to understand that the only person agreeing with you here has a man with a turban fucking a pig as his profile pic…
If I were in your situation, I would seriously question my own views.
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
[/quote]
Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
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Look, you’re not an idiot. And I believe you have a lot of personal issues clouding your judgement.
But you need to understand that the only person agreeing with you here has a man with a turban fucking a pig as his profile pic…
If I were in your situation, I would seriously question my own views.[/quote]
I hate that you don’t live close enough to where I live that we could go drinking
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
[/quote]
Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
[/quote]
Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
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Balance of power has nothing to do with one exercising their own freedom to fire someone. Just because someone has more power than you does not mean that your freedoms should take precedence over theirs, which is what you are advocating.
Again, if I run a little Mom & Pop children’s book store, and one of my employees did this on the news, would you still think I did not have the right to fire him?
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
[/quote]
Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
[/quote]
Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
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Look, you’re not an idiot. And I believe you have a lot of personal issues clouding your judgement.
But you need to understand that the only person agreeing with you here has a man with a turban fucking a pig as his profile pic…
If I were in your situation, I would seriously question my own views.[/quote]
I hate that you don’t live close enough to where I live that we could go drinking[/quote]
The idea that this guy somehow had his rights violated by being fired for acting like a moron is absurd and demonstrates a pretty significant misunderstanding of the scope of human rights.
[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
The idea that this guy somehow had his rights violated by being fired for acting like a moron is absurd and demonstrates a pretty significant misunderstanding of the scope of human rights.
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Nope welcome to the times of no child left behind, everyone gets a trophy, everyone has to right to say what they want to who they want, because everyone is a special snowflake cause Momma said so.
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
[/quote]
Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
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Look, you’re not an idiot. And I believe you have a lot of personal issues clouding your judgement.
But you need to understand that the only person agreeing with you here has a man with a turban fucking a pig as his profile pic…
If I were in your situation, I would seriously question my own views.[/quote]
I’m not taking this conversation very seriously. After meeting some people who I met online (via OKC or the like) I’ve taken most people’s characters with a grain of salt when it comes to the internet. Plus it is a little entertaining seeing how revved up people get.
[quote]msw1959 wrote:
Questions about all this: What If the man was filmed shooting a deer during hunting season and with a license but his boss was a vegan and anti-gun and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company.
What if the man was filmed protesting 0bama and his boss was an avid supporter of 0bama and fired him? Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed picking up an American Flag that was being trampled upon and was arrested and his boss disagreed with him on freedom of speech and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
Is any reason good enough to be fired if the boss/company decides it does not fit the image of the company? Your thoughts?[/quote]
You’re confusing company interests with boss’s personal views and beliefs. You can’t be fired for that, that’s discrimination. The company has no views or beliefs. The company’s sole interest is revenue generation which is created with a good public image in order to not deter potential and existing customers AND to appeal to the general public.
Anything that is not socially acceptable or is viewed as negative in public eye, justifies job termination if an employee engages in it.
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
[/quote]
Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.
[/quote]
Accountability? Maybe sometimes. To me this is just a chance to act like a douchebag over the internet and get away with it because you are hiding behind a screen name. Just like how all over the internet squatting 400lbs is considered bitch weight, yet I’ve only been to one gym in my entire life where Ive regularly saw people training with those numbers.
Socially, the internet has done some pretty big harm to our culture. Some of the posts I read on here I bet would never be recited in person.
[/quote]
Look, you’re not an idiot. And I believe you have a lot of personal issues clouding your judgement.
But you need to understand that the only person agreeing with you here has a man with a turban fucking a pig as his profile pic…
If I were in your situation, I would seriously question my own views.[/quote]
I’m not taking this conversation very seriously. After meeting some people who I met online (via OKC or the like) I’ve taken most people’s characters with a grain of salt when it comes to the internet. Plus it is a little entertaining seeing how revved up people get.
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For someone not taking this conversation very seriously, you sure put a lot of time and effort into it…
[quote]msw1959 wrote:
Questions about all this: What If the man was filmed shooting a deer during hunting season and with a license but his boss was a vegan and anti-gun and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company.
What if the man was filmed protesting 0bama and his boss was an avid supporter of 0bama and fired him? Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed picking up an American Flag that was being trampled upon and was arrested and his boss disagreed with him on freedom of speech and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
Is any reason good enough to be fired if the boss/company decides it does not fit the image of the company? Your thoughts?[/quote]
You’re confusing company interests with boss’s personal views and beliefs. You can’t be fired for that, that’s discrimination. The company has no views or beliefs. The company’s sole interest is revenue generation which is created with a good public image in order to not deter potential and existing customers AND to appeal to the general public.
Anything that is not socially acceptable or is viewed as negative in public eye, justifies job termination if an employee engages in it.[/quote]
Regarding the bolded part, of course you can be fired for it. Hunters, carnivores, and Obama supporters are not protected classes.
As a (former) boss in an at-will State, I can fire anyone for any reason…except for race, creed, color, etc.
I’m not sure if this is a US/non-US issue, but some of the poster’s in this thread seem to think that employees have protections that actually don’t exist (in the US).