[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
You want that guy working for you, representing the product you create and sell to the community?
Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
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I never said that. He did this on his personal time. If he was convicted of a crime sure fire him.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
Nope - he wasn’t jailed for speaking his mind, but there are consequences to actions and his employer chose to not employ him anymore due to his behavior. Again, they did not stifle his right to free speech. Apparently their values do not align with his…[/quote]
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
Good.
No reason an adult male has to act like a fucking pig. And with all this talk about what is “alpha” on this forum, behaving like a 4th grader isn’t it.
See how it feels if some jackass said that to YOUR wife, GF, sister, or mother.
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There is no reason why someone should be fired for saying something outside of work that their boss wouldn’t like, social media or not. [/quote]
Bullshit.
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The title of this thread was fired after heckling reporter but he didn’t actually heckle her, she came up to him in a unprofessionnal manner and he said what he tought. He didn’t say anything bad and I agree with him that someone interfering on live TV can be funny. [/quote]
She’s interviewing someone else and dude pops his head in and says, “Fuck her in the pussy.” Then she confronts him.
Did you even read or watch what you posted?
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What if I approach you in your leisure time and start challenging you with ‘‘are you here for…’’? You can’t expect people to always think before they speak at all time as if they were working at the moment in a corporative environnement.[/quote]
Lol, whut??? [/quote]
It’s not the same guy. She comes up to another group of guy and ask ‘‘are you waiting here to say something?’’. I think you are the one who didn’t watch it. I’ll give you a chance, the media distort the event when they write to make it appear in a more PC light. Even the politicians twist to be politically correct, they came out to denounce ‘‘sexual harassment’’. What the hell? This is not sexual harassment, this is shouting something funny at live TV.
About expecting people to always have a corporative behavior, quit your job if you have been drunk once and SAID something dumb (not done) or you are an hypocrite.
And people shouldn’t be fired at will. Are you a professionnal foot licker or what?
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
The problem is the imbalance of power…[/quote]
How about the imbalance of risk?
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and for some reason a few people hear just don’t grasp that. We all agree the guy is a douchebag, what I don’t agree with is an employers right to make decisions about an employees life while they are off the clock so long as they are not breaking any laws. [/quote]
If it’s at-will employment they can fire you for anything that isn’t discriminatory. The door swings both ways.
The job market is competitive and there are currently an overabundance of college graduates. Why would a company not use every resource they can to weed candidates out?
There’s an easy solution, don’t have a Facebook page. That is a choice.
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2) How did those pictures affect “the image of the company”? Were the college students partying outside a General Electric Bill Board. Were they wearing IBM polos? Did they get down and dirty on company property? Did they ride the company van filled with drugs and playboy bunnies? As far as I am concerned you wouldn’t know what employer he was affiliated with until after someone said something about it publically. [/quote]
It was and is a way to weed out candidates.
You have legal recourse if your employer does not pay you overtime as an hourly employee. If you’re salary, that sucks.
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You can say no and risk being fired for something along the lines of “not meeting deadlines”. The employee, however, does not have the right to modify their employment contract to protect themselves, in this case they might add an addendum which states “at least 1.5*base pay compensation for time worked over 40 hours”. Or in the case of a layoff, demand 6 months compensation to account for finding another job. [/quote]
It is against the law in all 50 states as far as I know to require employees to work overtime and not pay them at least time and a half if they are hourly employees.
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4) What do these actions outside of work have anything to do with the employees ability to do his job? [/quote]
It can easily turn into lost revenue. Easily.
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5) Lets say the company was completely wrong and out of line. What can the employer do about it.
Many employers have millions of dollars worth of lawyers. What does the average American have? I went to a lawyer once about an issue with a place I worked for and he flat out said to me “You are probably in the right, but if they spend a million dollars to fight you in court what are you going to do about it. Just lay low.”[/quote]
Open your own business then.
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USMC, I don’t mean this to be disrespectful, but I have a feeling that you haven’t worked for corporate America or are in a position of power where you aren’t directly involved with the day-to-day crap. [/quote]
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
Nope - he wasn’t jailed for speaking his mind, but there are consequences to actions and his employer chose to not employ him anymore due to his behavior. Again, they did not stifle his right to free speech. Apparently their values do not align with his…[/quote]
He was punished for exercising free speech.
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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
Nope - he wasn’t jailed for speaking his mind, but there are consequences to actions and his employer chose to not employ him anymore due to his behavior. Again, they did not stifle his right to free speech. Apparently their values do not align with his…[/quote]
He was punished for exercising free speech.
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There was no punishment. The objective of punishment is rehabilitation and prevention.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
The problem is the imbalance of power…and for some reason a few people hear just don’t grasp that. We all agree the guy is a douchebag, what I don’t agree with is an employers right to make decisions about an employees life while they are off the clock so long as they are not breaking any laws.
A less intense example was an issue a few years back when employers were not hiring new grads because they had posted pictures on their facebook from drunk times at parties they attended. It “didn’t fit the image of the company”.
Who hasn’t gone to a party and had a good time (maybe looking stupid or goofy in the process), drinking aside. Losers, that’s who. Or people that are too egotistical to admit they are human too.
How did those pictures affect “the image of the company”? Were the college students partying outside a General Electric Bill Board. Were they wearing IBM polos? Did they get down and dirty on company property? Did they ride the company van filled with drugs and playboy bunnies? As far as I am concerned you wouldn’t know what employer he was affiliated with until after someone said something about it publically.
These employer-employee contracts aren’t really contracts in the sense that all the negation is done by the employer. The employee can only say yes or no and not take the job. Good example: overtime. If your employer was to cut your over time pay by 50% but still ask you to come in, what choice do you have? You can say no and risk being fired for something along the lines of “not meeting deadlines”. The employee, however, does not have the right to modify their employment contract to protect themselves, in this case they might add an addendum which states “at least 1.5*base pay compensation for time worked over 40 hours”. Or in the case of a layoff, demand 6 months compensation to account for finding another job.
What do these actions outside of work have anything to do with the employees ability to do his job?
Lets say the company was completely wrong and out of line. What can the employer do about it. Many employers have millions of dollars worth of lawyers. What does the average American have? I went to a lawyer once about an issue with a place I worked for and he flat out said to me “You are probably in the right, but if they spend a million dollars to fight you in court what are you going to do about it. Just lay low.”
USMC, I don’t mean this to be disrespectful, but I have a feeling that you haven’t worked for corporate America or are in a position of power where you aren’t directly involved with the day-to-day crap. [/quote]
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?
So I’m pretty sure that the guy that was fired wasn’t the same guy that said “fuck her right in the pussy” into the microphone but someone that she approached after the other guy said it. Kind of fucked up that he was fired for what someone else said and it’s being attributed to him.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
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Exactly.
And if people think “it’s fucking funneeeeee!” that he got fired, well, you reap what you sow.[/quote]
I think it is “fucking funneee” that he got fired. As in “I am laughing at him because he is an idiot who got fired” And I don’t care for you a bit![/quote]
You have the right to think it is funny that he got fired and you can laugh at him for it, just like he think it is funny that someone said fuck her in the pussy.
This is a media too, I just caught you being vulgar and showing a lack of respect and sensibility to the problem and hardship of intellectually disabled people by using the term idiot. I sent this to your boss I found with my internet skills, you will probably be fired monday.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
So I’m pretty sure that the guy that was fired wasn’t the same guy that said “fuck her right in the pussy” into the microphone but someone that she approached after the other guy said it. Kind of fucked up that he was fired for what someone else said and it’s being attributed to him.[/quote]
It is not the same guy and the reporter approached them.
Media don’t make the distinction clear, because being politically incorrect is not rewarding. It’s way better to link this joke to sexual harassment and how unacceptable it is and it is what they do.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?
Well, this is one of the rare occassions where I would like to bitchslape everyone involved, for a variety of reasons.
We dont necessarily have to bring duels back, but I would like to be able to argue in a court of law that I pimp smacked someone for as very good reason, yes, it had to be done and yes, it advanced and furthered the commonwealth.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
So I’m pretty sure that the guy that was fired wasn’t the same guy that said “fuck her right in the pussy” into the microphone but someone that she approached after the other guy said it. Kind of fucked up that he was fired for what someone else said and it’s being attributed to him.[/quote]
I think it was the other guy in the video that said something about the vibrator.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
So does your job own your free speech outside of work the workplace?[/quote]
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Exactly.
And if people think “it’s fucking funneeeeee!” that he got fired, well, you reap what you sow.[/quote]
I think it is “fucking funneee” that he got fired. As in “I am laughing at him because he is an idiot who got fired” And I don’t care for you a bit![/quote]
You have the right to think it is funny that he got fired and you can laugh at him for it, just like he think it is funny that someone said fuck her in the pussy.
This is a media too, I just caught you being vulgar and showing a lack of respect and sensibility to the problem and hardship of intellectually disabled people by using the term idiot. I sent this to your boss I found with my internet skills, you will probably be fired monday.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
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Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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Welcome to the new age of accountability!
I, for one, think it’s an improvement. Maybe people will start acting like human beings for fear of being exposed, since the intrinsic reward of decency is not enough for everyone.