The Gaylag Archipelago

Just curious what people think of this recent article:

So a marginal football player got drafted into the NFL, kissed his boyfriend smack on the lips, and then another football player tweeted something that expressed the sentiment ick gross, and so the second player was hustled into sensitivity training. Got that?

As the revolution is established, there will be no heckling. Kirsten Powers got it right. I have as much of an expectation of broad-minded tolerance from the left these days as I do of somebody hoisting up a John 3:16 sign at a North Korean missile parade. These people are coercion junkies.

How will they stop the heckling? Vee haff vays. Notice that I did that obliquely because I didn’t want to violate Godwin’s Law – the first person in a debate to invoke Nazi parallels loses. This is because it is a well known principle of political science that political coercion and tyranny was only possible in the 1940s. All claims about oppressive coercion in our day are therefore bogus by definition, and one begins to suspect that the person who won’t stop expressing his views when the establishment wishes for him to express theirs is cruising for a sensitivity seminar. I also brought up Godwin’s Law because Nazi analogies are not the only negative examples that we should take into account.

Look. If you use language in ways they disapprove of, they will show the world what thorough-going malice looks like. That is why I make a point of doing it. They will send you off to the Gaylag Archipelago – there’s an example of what I do – where they will upbraid you for your intolerance until you come to realize that love is the answer. Love is all you need. Love is the best. Love is what Big Br . . . love is a good thing. Who could be against love except for the haters?

Anybody who says they believe in free speech, but who insists that Christians start groveling lest we “hurt” the perpetually hurt is someone who is himself a central part of the problem. The church is full of effeminate cowards who want us to truckle before the machinery of our passive aggressive police state. Beneath the visor of the leader of the SWAT team hauling me off, I saw a slow tear trickling down. I guess my language was hurtful. I see that now.

Second, they like to marginalize anybody who observes the obvious and comments on it, and they do this by claiming that some Christians can’t get over their loss of privilege, and are just a bunch of whiners. Now I have many faults, deep and grievous, but I think that whining is not one of them. Try another one.

As to the charge that I am fighting for Christian privilege, the reply is “you bet I am.” When the Christian faith is privileged, then freedom for everyone becomes a possibility. When Christian privilege is made illegal, and its denunciation mandatory, as it has been in our time, the first thing that happens is that we see the essentially coercive nature of unbelief revealed. Unbelievers have never built a free society and they never will. They have been running this one for just a few minutes now, and they are already driving up and down the streets with their Coercion Trucks, loudspeakers blaring that it is past curfew and we are all supposed to go inside now, place our noses on the specially designated freedom wall, and think grateful thoughts about how much Uplift Congress will be able to generate next session. When we wake up in the morning, we can all have a breakfast of liberty gruel, designed by the first lady’s personal nutritionist and national sadist.

You know what we need around here? We need a liberty czar.

How many commencement speakers have been uninvited this graduation season? Tolerant liberals are going the way of the dodo, and they really might well be the one genuine victim of climate change. But speaking of commencement speeches, let me share with you the paragraph that got my speaking gig at Oberlin nixed. They had the prudence to ask for a manuscript beforehand, and I was foolish enough to send it to them.

“. . . and now, moving on to your women’s study department, an exercise in what I call petticoat feminism. They have instructed a generation of young women on the art of demanding to be treated like the men are, and then to burst into tears if somebody does, and to contact an attorney shortly afterward so that they can have the security of some fatherly legal protection. This is a mass of . . .”

Third, never forget that discrimination is inescapable. Why are people going along with this ludicrous claim that same sex mirage is marriage? Well, it is because Americans have been taught to hate “discrimination,” as though discrimination is a thing out there all by itself. Discrimination is not a stand alone characteristic. I would discriminate against people who take away liberty; they discriminate against people who exercise it. But everybody discriminates.

But Americans dislike unnecessary coercion, and they have been persuaded that traditional Christians like myself are “coercing” homosexuals by denying them the delights of nuptial bliss. Well, yes, but only in the same sense that I am coercing them by denying them the delights of the hawk’s ability to soar above the clouds, the marlin’s ability to swim the coral reef without scuba gear, and the gazelle’s ability to dash across the savannah. I am coercing them by observing (mildly enough, I thought) that they don’t have a body equipped for such delights, and they don’t have it because God didn’t give it to them. You can’t be born retroactively something else, and as it all came down, you weren’t born a hawk, marlin, gazelle or girl. But you know, things are tough all over.

The one bright spot in this whole rolling debacle is that this kind of big E on the eye chart punditry just encourages them further in their torquemadian tolerance crusade, and this means they start manifesting what actual coercion looks like.

Keep it up, boys, keep it up. I want as many people as possible to see your political theory in action.

I read Matt Walsh’s response to this story and I agree with it. Who the fuck cares?

I’m not christian, but the fact Tebow gets in trouble for prayer and thanking jesus is a story if this other load is a story.

I understand religion isn’t as important to your average person as it used to be, but why is it ok to silence one guy for his harmless devotion and celebrate another because he bangs dudes?

I’m all for equal rights, its 2014 consensually place your dick wherever you want, but this is hardly a step towards equality.

This is all bullshit. Tebow wasn’t vilified for being religious; he was vilified because he fucking sucked at football and was comically enthusiastic. All this “but Tebow was persecuted!” nonsense is just people who like to feel victimized trying to create some sympathy for themselves, even if it means bending the narrative in order to create the sense of victimization in the first place.

I 100% agree with c.m.l. excellently put.

The article I don’t particularly care about, but he did have one good point–discrimination isn’t something out there all by itself, everybody discriminates all the time. Everybody.

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“Vee haff vays…Anybody who says they believe in free speech, but who insists that Christians start groveling lest we ‘hurt’ the perpetually hurt…Big Brother…gulags…etc.”[/quote]

As is often the case with whiny persecution complexes, people are mightily confused.

The Bill of Rights codifies your political right to free speech. This means that you may say almost anything (there are exceptions, such as the saying of something intended to incite imminent lawless action) without suffering legal penalty at the hands of the state.

But what kind of world do you think you live in, that you get to be free from ridicule, from criticism, from the condemnation of your fellow citizens, and from workplace consequences imposed upon you by your employer because of something you’ve published about a fellow employee? What kind of pussy fantasy-world has half of this country created for itself, wherein me calling your beliefs stupid or backwards constitutes Orwellian persecution? What kind of soft, sheltered man-child has not yet learned that, just as he is Constitutionally free to express his opinions, the business entity on which his employment depends, and on whom his public conduct reflects, is free to react to those expressions if it deems them threatening to good PR, good business sense?

If I were to create a Twitter account under my legal name and begin ruminating on how ludicrously stupid Christians are, or how disgusting a specific coworker of mine is, I would be fired by my employer within hours. And the world would go on turning, because no wrong would have been done to anybody.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

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“Vee haff vays…Anybody who says they believe in free speech, but who insists that Christians start groveling lest we ‘hurt’ the perpetually hurt…Big Brother…gulags…etc.”[/quote]

As is often the case with whiny persecution complexes, people are mightily confused.

The Bill of Rights codifies your political right to free speech. This means that you may say almost anything (there are exceptions, such as the saying of something intended to incite imminent lawless action) without suffering legal penalty at the hands of the state.

But what kind of world do you think you live in, that you get to be free from ridicule, from criticism, from the condemnation of your fellow citizens, and from workplace consequences imposed upon you by your employer because of something you’ve published about a fellow employee? What kind of pussy fantasy-world has half of this country created for itself, wherein me calling your beliefs stupid or backwards constitutes Orwellian persecution? What kind of soft, sheltered man-child has not yet learned that, just as he is Constitutionally free to express his opinions, the business entity on which his employment depends, and on whom his public conduct reflects, is free to react to those expressions if it deems them threatening to good PR, good business sense?

If I were to create a Twitter account under my legal name and begin ruminating on how ludicrously stupid Christians are, or how disgusting a specific coworker of mine is, I would be fired by my employer within hours. And the world would go on turning, because no wrong would have been done to anybody.[/quote]

I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I 100% agree with c.m.l. excellently put.

The article I don’t particularly care about, but he did have one good point–discrimination isn’t something out there all by itself, everybody discriminates all the time. Everybody.[/quote]

Correct. I would like to see a known devout Muslim professional football player (if there is one) express a discriminating “ick gross” and see how the Gaystapo reacts to that.

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.[/quote]

This^^ people are so frenzied by the idea of dragging people by their ears towards some enlightened equali-topia that they don’t realize disparaging a particular religious demonstration is not the same thing as embracing freedom of worship. It is starkly the opposite.

Even if someone deemed Tebow a risk to their PR, who do they risk offending other than the media driven zealots who shame anyone that offers only tolerance rather than celebratory acceptance towards those of any alternative lifestyle?

I wonder if there were tons of surly racists that were indignant every time the first black person to do a thing became history, and other than our recent first black president it really hasn’t been news when someone of color did something great; its pretty much normalcy. Perhaps these sort of events are necessary for the ultimate goal of nobody giving a damn. Apathy is equality. Being passionate, even in a positive way, about differences in race, religion, or sexual orientation serves only illuminate the fact that these differences are there.

Sam definitely ran the media circuit for publicity, not for being victorious over some great injustice.

[As a disclaimer, I’m not trying to compare the struggle for equal rights for black people to that of the struggle for gay people. There are some similarities but alot of differences, at least in american history]

I think I should make something clear to the OP. If you start a thread that could be construed as critical of homosexual activists you are:

a) hating on gays

b) a repressed homosexual

c) obsessed

and

d) suffering from half a dozen mental illnesses

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.[/quote]

And yet you continue to fail to make the essential distinction between Big Brother, which just about everyone who’s out of high school understands is an allusion to a political authority, and the relationship between an employee and his employer. If the White House or the Senate or some political committee had been the source of the fine and the order to undergo “sensitivity training,” they/you would have a point. Because it is not, you do not. At all.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.[/quote]

And yet you continue to fail to make the essential distinction between Big Brother, which just about everyone who’s out of high school understands is an allusion to a political authority, and the relationship between an employee and his employer. If the White House or the Senate or some political committee had been the source of the fine and the order to undergo “sensitivity training,” they/you would have a point. Because it is not, you do not. At all.[/quote]

Big Brother, noun - informal

a person or organization exercising total control over people’s lives.


Our entire society, public and private, imposes social and political repression against traditional values and those who dare to express them. In fact, those who dare to hold them - thought criminals: he said it. Or if he didn’t say it he thought about saying it. Or if he didn’t think about it he would have. He’s one of those [insert prefix]phobes or [insert prefix]ists. He needs reeducation. Send him to room 101…and his family too.

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

Even if someone deemed Tebow a risk to their PR, who do they risk offending other than the media driven zealots who shame anyone that offers only tolerance rather than celebratory acceptance towards those of any alternative lifestyle?

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Who? My generation. We watch sports at high rates. We drive participation in Fantasy Football and other such nonsense. We buy the cars and beers that are being advertised after punts. We will be watching games on Sunday and Monday night for the next 50 years. And we don’t like homophobes. Statistically speaking, of course.

They know where their bread is buttered, and they know where it’s going to buttered for the next half-century. It’s called business, and they are doing it right. If my little nephew’s generation somehow turns out overwhelmingly pro-Christian and anti-gay, you can bet your balls that the NFL will respond accordingly. And do you know what? Allusions to Big Brother and Nazism will still be risible, simplistic, and hysterical. To think that there are people who honestly believe they’re being persecuted here–it’s almost incredible, in the literal sense of the term.

But then I remember how easy it is for people to give in to the temptation to be whining, put-upon victims, and the whole thing becomes much more credible.

Still, the distinction between a free-speech issue (to which a Big Brother allusion would be apposite) and this (to which a Big Brother allusion is utterly not apposite) is simple enough for just about anybody to understand. Which is to say that the histrionics are a product of childishness and spinelessness, not reason.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.[/quote]

And yet you continue to fail to make the essential distinction between Big Brother, which just about everyone who’s out of high school understands is an allusion to a political authority, and the relationship between an employee and his employer. If the White House or the Senate or some political committee had been the source of the fine and the order to undergo “sensitivity training,” they/you would have a point. Because it is not, you do not. At all.[/quote]

Big Brother, noun - informal

a person or organization exercising total control over people’s lives.
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Big Brother is a political allusion. You know this, because you’ve read Nineteen Eighty-Four. I don’t care what wishy-washy definition you pull up. And the OP availed itself of allusions to the First Amendment and free speech. And Nazism, another political, authoritarian state entity. The context of the whining is crystal clear.

Every point I’ve made in this thread stands. The whining is mushy nonsense. What exactly is being argued here? That the NFL, or a specific NFL team, does not have the authority to deal with one of its employees who has published comments about one of his coworkers on public social media? That a law has been broken? I thought not.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Our entire society, public and private, imposes social and political repression against traditional values and those who dare to express them. In fact, those who dare to hold them - thought criminals: he said it. Or if he didn’t say it he thought about saying it. Or if he didn’t think about it he would have. He’s one of those [insert prefix]phobes or [insert prefix]ists. He needs reeducation. Send him to room 101…and his family too.[/quote]

What the hell does this mean? That if you owned the Dolphins, you wouldn’t have punished the guy? OK. Nobody cares, because you don’t own the Dolphins. What is the point? And why is everybody whining about Free Speech and making allusions to authoritarian states, as if they can’t understand the difference between a law and a fucking employment contract?

Was Trump punished for questioning Sam’s kiss? No, because there is no Nazism here, no state entity that is bringing people to the place where there is no darkness. You do not have a case, and you are relying on mushy and whiny nonsense–and entirely inappropriate allusions–in order to make the most simplistic argument you can find.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:
I think one inference of the Douglas Wilson and Matt Walsh articles is that dissenting speech toward the professing Christians will get you commended, while similar dissenting speech toward homosexuals will get you frog-marched by Big Brother into sensitivity training taught by Oprah.[/quote]

And yet you continue to fail to make the essential distinction between Big Brother, which just about everyone who’s out of high school understands is an allusion to a political authority, and the relationship between an employee and his employer. If the White House or the Senate or some political committee had been the source of the fine and the order to undergo “sensitivity training,” they/you would have a point. Because it is not, you do not. At all.[/quote]

Big Brother, noun - informal

a person or organization exercising total control over people’s lives.
[/quote]

Big Brother is a political allusion. You know this, because you’ve read Nineteen Eighty-Four. I don’t care what wishy-washy definition you pull up. And the OP availed itself of allusions to the First Amendment and free speech. And Nazism, another political, authoritarian state entity. The context of the whining is crystal clear.

Every point I’ve made in this thread stands. The whining is mushy nonsense. What exactly is being argued here? That the NFL, or a specific NFL team, does not have the authority to deal with one of its employees who has published comments about one of his coworkers on public social media? That a law has been broken? I thought not.[/quote]

Firstly, I was pointing out how the term ‘Big Brother’ is commonly used.

And the point here is selective targeting based on ideology. It’s perfectly acceptable to mock and ridicule someone about their faith, but don’t dare to express anything contrary to the radical gays’ ideology. Radical gays have turned the younger generation into foot soldiers. They’ve invaded school classrooms with the ‘day of silence’ whereby children have been co-opted into political activists. Cross the gay mafia and your career will be ruined. But it’s perfectly okay to mock Jesus and Christians. In fact it’s encouraged. That’s why private organisations have caved in to the pressure. Gays are sacred cows and anything they say goes.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Firstly, I was pointing out how the term ‘Big Brother’ is commonly used.
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Understood, but, for the reasons I outlined, the allusion is not at all apropos. In fact–and very ironically, given how often Big Brother is twisted and prodded hereabouts–Orwell himself had more than a thing or two to say about the lazy and stupid imprecision that is capable of infecting political writing and argumentation.

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And the point here is selective targeting based on ideology.[/quote]

No, the point here is has to do with the difference between free political speech and an employment contract.

There are other points, too:

–The authority of an employer to deal with an employee who publishes on social media his negative opinion of a fellow employee’s romantic relationship and romantic conduct.

–The increasing pussification of conservatism. Soon liberals will have the bleeding hearts and the man’s men, because the “conservatives” will all be crying about how they’re being persecuted for believing in resurrection.

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It’s perfectly acceptable to mock and ridicule someone about their faith…[/quote]

Do you have an example of an NFL player who publicly derided another’s Christianity without being penalized? I don’t mean mimicking a touchdown celebration–I mean saying outright that Tebow’s belief is wrong or disgusting or stupid. Do you? Not that it matters–it’s entirely up to the NFL and the teams to decide what kinds of things they will and will not deal with. I’m just curious.

Again, if I derided a Christian coworker (or, for the matter, Christians in general. But that is beside the point, and specific to my particular profession) on Twitter right now (if I had a Twitter account), I would be fired by my employer tomorrow.

This is not Big Brotherly, Orwellian oppression.

This is not Nazism.

This is not unfair.

This is a business contract–a large and famous business’ right to control the ways in which its employees reflect upon its public image.

Do you want to publish things, on highly public social media, about your coworkers–things that your employer won’t suffer you to publish?

OK. It’s very, very, very simple.

Quit.

Or grow a sack and suck it up.

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Firstly, I was pointing out how the term ‘Big Brother’ is commonly used.
[/quote]

Understood, but, for the reasons I outlined, the allusion is not at all apropos. In fact–and very ironically, given how often Big Brother is twisted and prodded hereabouts–Orwell himself had more than a thing or two to say about the lazy and stupid imprecision that is capable of infecting political writing and argumentation.

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And the point here is selective targeting based on ideology.[/quote]

No, the point here is has to do with the difference between free political speech and an employment contract.

There are other points, too:

–The authority of an employer to deal with an employee who publishes on social media his negative opinion of a fellow employee’s romantic relationship and romantic conduct.

–The increasing pussification of conservatism. Soon liberals will have the bleeding hearts and the man’s men, because the “conservatives” will all be crying about how they’re being persecuted for believing in resurrection.

[quote]
It’s perfectly acceptable to mock and ridicule someone about their faith…[/quote]

Do you have an example of an NFL player who publicly derided another’s Christianity without being penalized? I don’t mean mimicking a touchdown celebration–I mean saying outright that Tebow’s belief is wrong or disgusting or stupid. Do you? Not that it matters–it’s entirely up to the NFL and the teams to decide what kinds of things they will and will not deal with. I’m just curious.[/quote]

I haven’t really followed the story. Personally I think Tebow is lacking in humility. I think religion should be more of a private thing and not worn on one’s sleeve(or face). I was commenting about the general climate of political oppression.

I would also say that, yes a company has to consider their reputation however the point is not that a company shouldn’t punish an employee who harms their reputation. The point is why it has become acceptable to ridicule people of faith but unacceptable to express disagreement with radical gays. Sure a company has to go along with it but that doesn’t make it right.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The point is why it has become acceptable to ridicule people of faith[/quote]

Acceptable to whom? Would the NFL not penalize a player who tweeted about a coworker’s religion, calling it horrible or stupid or ridiculous? That’s what we’re talking about.

Nope. Nothing radically gay about this. Dude and boyfriend. Regular gay.

And yes, it is generally unacceptable to call a coworker’s relationship and kiss with his boyfriend “horrible” on social media. Same if they were straight, same if they were anything else. Because, you know, you’re a piece of shit if you do something like that.

But none of that matters. As I said from the outset, the OP is nonsense for a very specific and very demonstrable set of reasons: It uses a bunch of bullshit political alarmism where none belongs. None of this has anything to do with political repression, or Nazism, or Big Brother, or the First Amendment. It is simply a bunch of people lamenting the fact that most people don;t think like they do.

Not unlike the “radical gays.” Hey, look at that! Common ground!