[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Since I cant keep up with all the posts (and cant see half of them anyway) Ill sum up my thoughts
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I think he should be punished, but publically announcing his name and permanent termination is too extreme. People do far worse things and get away with it. The fact that his workplace and name were disclosed means he may have a lawsuit in his favor on his hands. I would pursue it if I was in his position.
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I never mentioned anything about a right to a job. I don’t even know where that came or how that could be interpreted.
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People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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So you weren’t meaning to say that the guys rights were violated, just that you don’t agree with the way the company exercised their own free will in regards to the punishment of their employee for being an idiot on television?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Since I cant keep up with all the posts (and cant see half of them anyway) Ill sum up my thoughts
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I think he should be punished, but publically announcing his name and permanent termination is too extreme. People do far worse things and get away with it. The fact that his workplace and name were disclosed means he may have a lawsuit in his favor on his hands. I would pursue it if I was in his position.
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I never mentioned anything about a right to a job. I don’t even know where that came or how that could be interpreted.
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People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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So you weren’t meaning to say that the guys rights were violated, just that you don’t agree with the way the company exercised their own free will in regards to the punishment of their employee for being an idiot on television?[/quote]
First, a company does not have “free will”. A company is not a living breathing thing despite what the absurd laws state in the USA. People have free will. People make decisions. A company is a business run by people…
Im surprised you are so defensive of corporations given they completely screw the American people on a daily basis.
Why is this even a question? The friggin guy said “f-her in the p…” on television. The company he works for wasn’t following him around watching what he did in his private life. He yelled “f-her in the p…” into a TV camera. Yes his ass should be fired. Yes the company has every imaginable right to fire him. No his rights were not violated. And I would guess that the company could give a flying shit about whether anyone thinks the punishment was appropriate or not. Again, why is this even a question?
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Why is this even a question? The friggin guy said “f-her in the p…” on television. The company he works for wasn’t following him around watching what he did in his private life. He yelled “f-her in the p…” into a TV camera. Yes his ass should be fired. Yes the company has every imaginable right to fire him. No his rights were not violated. And I would guess that the company could give a flying shit about whether anyone thinks the punishment was appropriate or not. Again, why is this even a question? [/quote]
The guy who dropped the FHRITP line and the guy who got fired are two different people. The guy who got canned just went on about how hilarious it was and how she (the reporter) was lucky there weren’t dildos around like in England or something, with a few f-bombs thrown in for good measure.
I fail to see how any of it is funny. Soccer fans are hooligans.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Since I cant keep up with all the posts (and cant see half of them anyway) Ill sum up my thoughts
- I think he should be punished, but publically announcing his name and permanent termination is too extreme. People do far worse things and get away with it. The fact that his workplace and name were disclosed means he may have a lawsuit in his favor on his hands. I would pursue it if I was in his position. [/quote]
That’s your opinion.
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2) I never mentioned anything about a right to a job. I don’t even know where that came or how that could be interpreted. [/quote]
It sure seemed like it:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
To answer the question concisely. It is a matter of human rights. [/quote]
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
It isn’t a matter of entitlement it is a matter of rights. [/quote]
What are you talking about if not a right to employment?
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3) People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. [/quote]
Utter non-sense. I have never walked up to a complete stranger at 15, 18, 25, or 29, and acted like a complete asshole to that person. Most people don’t act like complete assholes for no reason especially to a stranger. He thought it would be funny and it blew up in his face.
This isn’t social media’s fault. This isn’t Hydro One’s fault. This isn’t Shauna Hunt’s fault or any other scapegoat you can come up with.
This is on him and no one else. Action have consequences.
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The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. [/quote]
It isn’t like this was some sting operation. The reporter was, you know, reporting into a camera…
I don’t see anyone really bashing him aside from calling him what he is, an idiot.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Im surprised you are so defensive of corporations given they completely screw the American people on a daily basis. [/quote]
Utter garbage.
[quote]OldOgre wrote:
Why is this even a question? The friggin guy said “f-her in the p…” on television. The company he works for wasn’t following him around watching what he did in his private life. He yelled “f-her in the p…” into a TV camera. Yes his ass should be fired. Yes the company has every imaginable right to fire him. No his rights were not violated. And I would guess that the company could give a flying shit about whether anyone thinks the punishment was appropriate or not. Again, why is this even a question? [/quote]
It isn’t for 99.99% of us.
If you’re going to be an asshole you’re going to deal with your own shit.
IT has it’s own hashtag:
#FHRITP.
But dude didn’t know it would go viral, #lmfao
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Since I cant keep up with all the posts (and cant see half of them anyway) Ill sum up my thoughts
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I think he should be punished, but publically announcing his name and permanent termination is too extreme. People do far worse things and get away with it. The fact that his workplace and name were disclosed means he may have a lawsuit in his favor on his hands. I would pursue it if I was in his position.
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I never mentioned anything about a right to a job. I don’t even know where that came or how that could be interpreted.
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People forget with social media today it is easy to act like a punk “Oh he should have done this, he should have done that, blah blah blah” but in the end most of us have probably done things that an employer wouldn’t like when we were younger or in college. The only difference here is it is caught on TV and put on facebook/twitter. I feel like, for some reason, people conveniently forget the things they’ve done in their life that were less than stellar for a stupid opportunity to bash someone over the internet.
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So you weren’t meaning to say that the guys rights were violated, just that you don’t agree with the way the company exercised their own free will in regards to the punishment of their employee for being an idiot on television?[/quote]
First, a company does not have “free will”. A company is not a living breathing thing despite what the absurd laws state in the USA. People have free will. People make decisions. A company is a business run by people…
Im surprised you are so defensive of corporations given they completely screw the American people on a daily basis. [/quote]
Those people should not be forced to keep you employed if they don’t like your behavior, whether you work for them or not. This first half of your post is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
And the only reason you are even arguing this is because its a big corporation. You are making a completely illogical and baseless argument because you are blinded by your own disdain. And I am not being defensive of big corporations, I am being defensive of a free society, where I don’t have to employ someone that I don’t want to employ.
If this was a small mom and pop store, lets say a children’s book store, and he was one of their two employees and they fired him, would you feel the same way?
As an employer I have a legal obligation to create a safe workplace for all my employees, no matter what size company it is. I can see where having seen this behavior by this employee could make his coworkers uncomfortable in his presence and then his presence in the workplace could be considered threatening to his coworkers, exposing the employer to being considered to be creating a hostile workplace. NOTE: An employer NOT taking aggressive, proactive action to prevent a hostile workplace is considered CREATING a hostile workplace. There are heavy penalties imposed by federal and state agencies and the courts for employers who do not take all reasonable and prudent steps to create a safe workplace.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
I do think corporations have too much power to dictate how you run your life outside of work. [/quote]
The company isn’t telling people not to say these idiotic things. They are merely saying that they don’t want you if you do. There is no control, if you work for someone, that person is just as free as you are and if they don’t like you being a dumbass they are exercising their freedom to not employ you.
Why do so many people think that employees rights are more important than employers?[/quote]
Is this a serious question? I hope you aren’t that ignorant. [/quote]
Please explain so that I can see how entitled you truly believe that you are. Your employer doesn’t owe you shit unless there is an agreement in place. You screw up, they fire you. You are a blemish on company morale or image, they fire you. The boss just doesn’t like you anymore, they should be able to fire you, that is their right. You have no right to a job. That’s on you and only you. Please tell me why a company owes you a job?
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You can’t fire people for no valid reason in a big company. This guy will sue hydro-one and will probably win.
The reporter is the one who should get fired for being unprofessionnal.
Questions about all this: What If the man was filmed shooting a deer during hunting season and with a license but his boss was a vegan and anti-gun and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed protesting 0bama and his boss was an avid supporter of 0bama and fired him? Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed picking up an American Flag that was being trampled upon and was arrested and his boss disagreed with him on freedom of speech and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
Is any reason good enough to be fired if the boss/company decides it does not fit the image of the company? Your thoughts?
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
Good.
No reason an adult male has to act like a fucking pig. And with all this talk about what is “alpha” on this forum, behaving like a 4th grader isn’t it.
See how it feels if some jackass said that to YOUR wife, GF, sister, or mother.
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There is no reason why someone should be fired for saying something outside of work that their boss wouldn’t like, social media or not.
The title of this thread was fired after heckling reporter but he didn’t actually heckle her, she came up to him in a unprofessionnal manner and he said what he tought. He didn’t say anything bad and I agree with him that someone interfering on live TV can be funny.
What if I approach you in your leisure time and start challenging you with ‘‘are you here for…’’? You can’t expect people to always think before they speak at all time as if they were working at the moment in a corporative environnement.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
I do think corporations have too much power to dictate how you run your life outside of work. [/quote]
The company isn’t telling people not to say these idiotic things. They are merely saying that they don’t want you if you do. There is no control, if you work for someone, that person is just as free as you are and if they don’t like you being a dumbass they are exercising their freedom to not employ you.
Why do so many people think that employees rights are more important than employers?[/quote]
Is this a serious question? I hope you aren’t that ignorant. [/quote]
Please explain so that I can see how entitled you truly believe that you are. Your employer doesn’t owe you shit unless there is an agreement in place. You screw up, they fire you. You are a blemish on company morale or image, they fire you. The boss just doesn’t like you anymore, they should be able to fire you, that is their right. You have no right to a job. That’s on you and only you. Please tell me why a company owes you a job?
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You can’t fire people for no valid reason in a big company. This guy will sue hydro-one and will probably win. [/quote]
Maybe in Canada.
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The reporter is the one who should get fired for being unprofessionnal.[/quote]
It’s definitely the reports fault, I mean what woman wouldn’t want a random guy talking about fucking her in the pussy and another random guy telling her she’s lucky they didn’t have a vibrator. Women, amirite???
[quote]dave1791 wrote:
As an employer I have a legal obligation to create a safe workplace for all my employees, no matter what size company it is. I can see where having seen this behavior by this employee could make his coworkers uncomfortable in his presence and then his presence in the workplace could be considered threatening to his coworkers, exposing the employer to being considered to be creating a hostile workplace. NOTE: An employer NOT taking aggressive, proactive action to prevent a hostile workplace is considered CREATING a hostile workplace. There are heavy penalties imposed by federal and state agencies and the courts for employers who do not take all reasonable and prudent steps to create a safe workplace. [/quote]
Being uncomfortable doesn’t mean there is a threat. There is no reason to be uncomfortable. That’s a chickenshit middle-manager lame trick to fire someone. I can pretend I am unconfortable whenever I want when it suits me.
I would go to my lawyer and there is good chance that it would fire back at you. That’s way more threatening.
[quote]msw1959 wrote:
Questions about all this: What If the man was filmed shooting a deer during hunting season and with a license but his boss was a vegan and anti-gun and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed protesting 0bama and his boss was an avid supporter of 0bama and fired him? Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
What if the man was filmed picking up an American Flag that was being trampled upon and was arrested and his boss disagreed with him on freedom of speech and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
Is any reason good enough to be fired if the boss/company decides it does not fit the image of the company? Your thoughts?[/quote]
The boss is an idiot in all of the examples; however, he is free to fire every single one of those people. That is the nature of an “at will” relationship and that’s how it should work.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]CLUNK wrote:
Good.
No reason an adult male has to act like a fucking pig. And with all this talk about what is “alpha” on this forum, behaving like a 4th grader isn’t it.
See how it feels if some jackass said that to YOUR wife, GF, sister, or mother.
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There is no reason why someone should be fired for saying something outside of work that their boss wouldn’t like, social media or not. [/quote]
Bullshit.
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The title of this thread was fired after heckling reporter but he didn’t actually heckle her, she came up to him in a unprofessionnal manner and he said what he tought. He didn’t say anything bad and I agree with him that someone interfering on live TV can be funny. [/quote]
She’s interviewing someone else and dude pops his head in and says, “Fuck her in the pussy.” Then she confronts him.
Did you even read or watch what you posted?
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What if I approach you in your leisure time and start challenging you with ‘‘are you here for…’’? You can’t expect people to always think before they speak at all time as if they were working at the moment in a corporative environnement.[/quote]
Lol, whut???
[quote]msw1959 wrote:
Questions about all this: What If the man was filmed shooting a deer during hunting season and with a license but his boss was a vegan and anti-gun and fired him. Bosses reason was he didn’t fit the image of the company
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Nah, the reason is it would make people feel uncomfortable, therefore it is a threatening workplace and gotta have a safe workplace and that’s the reason you fire him.
The problem is the imbalance of power…and for some reason a few people hear just don’t grasp that. We all agree the guy is a douchebag, what I don’t agree with is an employers right to make decisions about an employees life while they are off the clock so long as they are not breaking any laws.
A less intense example was an issue a few years back when employers were not hiring new grads because they had posted pictures on their facebook from drunk times at parties they attended. It “didn’t fit the image of the company”.
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Who hasn’t gone to a party and had a good time (maybe looking stupid or goofy in the process), drinking aside. Losers, that’s who. Or people that are too egotistical to admit they are human too.
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How did those pictures affect “the image of the company”? Were the college students partying outside a General Electric Bill Board. Were they wearing IBM polos? Did they get down and dirty on company property? Did they ride the company van filled with drugs and playboy bunnies? As far as I am concerned you wouldn’t know what employer he was affiliated with until after someone said something about it publically.
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These employer-employee contracts aren’t really contracts in the sense that all the negation is done by the employer. The employee can only say yes or no and not take the job. Good example: overtime. If your employer was to cut your over time pay by 50% but still ask you to come in, what choice do you have? You can say no and risk being fired for something along the lines of “not meeting deadlines”. The employee, however, does not have the right to modify their employment contract to protect themselves, in this case they might add an addendum which states “at least 1.5*base pay compensation for time worked over 40 hours”. Or in the case of a layoff, demand 6 months compensation to account for finding another job.
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What do these actions outside of work have anything to do with the employees ability to do his job?
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Lets say the company was completely wrong and out of line. What can the employer do about it. Many employers have millions of dollars worth of lawyers. What does the average American have? I went to a lawyer once about an issue with a place I worked for and he flat out said to me “You are probably in the right, but if they spend a million dollars to fight you in court what are you going to do about it. Just lay low.”
USMC, I don’t mean this to be disrespectful, but I have a feeling that you haven’t worked for corporate America or are in a position of power where you aren’t directly involved with the day-to-day crap.
