Finish Him: Fatality!

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

Basically, what I’m saying is I don’t believe an exercise should be performed any differently just because it is at the end of your session.[/quote]

I believe an exercise should be performed differently at the end of a session, than at the beginning, only if you are not feeling up to doing it all over again.

Often enough I have, ( as it says in my post ), repeated my ‘main’ compound, at the end, in a Pyramid. The same total parameter actually.

It just doesn’t feel right to do that every time.

Performing a given movement with different parameters at the end of session, is really sometimes the only way to keep hitting that muscle without going straight to something like Pec Dec, when you can’t go about the first and ‘main’ way of going about it.

I don’t call what I am doing at the end of a muscle-groups session, a ‘finisher’ any ways.

I don’t think of the change in parameters, as anything ‘bonus/extra’, any more than curls are ‘bonus/extra’ for my ‘arms’, it’s as serious as the Pyramids.[/quote]

I don’t really understand what you are saying here. So if you do bench press at the beginning, then at the end you would do bench press again pyramiding up then down or something?
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Way besides this math equation this guy is trying to solve can you tell me what numbers i would be looking at for a back as big as yours (provided that appetite is just as big too). chins or lat pulls. rows, and deads… do i have to deadlift cars? lol looking huge man. [/quote]

hahaha, I lol’d @ math equation. Thank ya sir, I’ll try not to derail this thread, but I really don’t lift all that heavy, I means my rows are 275-315, and DL I’ll do reps with 315-405. Now I can go much heavier obviously, but my form is compromised. I always aim for peak contraction and slow negative, I follow a lot of dorian yates principles in that regard. Pretty much working up to 1 top set of 6-10 reps and reaching failure on each exercise. Back day is always, machine pullover, then lat pulldown, BB rows, deadlift (I stop negative at 2 inches below knee and pull back up) and cable rows. Hope that helps.[/quote]

Thanks a lot man. Have incorporated your milk drinking strategy in my diet. 1 word = Awesome… Keep doing what you do man…

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[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

Basically, what I’m saying is I don’t believe an exercise should be performed any differently just because it is at the end of your session.[/quote]

I believe an exercise should be performed differently at the end of a session, than at the beginning, only if you are not feeling up to doing it all over again.

Often enough I have, ( as it says in my post ), repeated my ‘main’ compound, at the end, in a Pyramid. The same total parameter actually.

It just doesn’t feel right to do that every time.

Performing a given movement with different parameters at the end of session, is really sometimes the only way to keep hitting that muscle without going straight to something like Pec Dec, when you can’t go about the first and ‘main’ way of going about it.

I don’t call what I am doing at the end of a muscle-groups session, a ‘finisher’ any ways.

I don’t think of the change in parameters, as anything ‘bonus/extra’, any more than curls are ‘bonus/extra’ for my ‘arms’, it’s as serious as the Pyramids.[/quote]

I don’t really understand what you are saying here. So if you do bench press at the beginning, then at the end you would do bench press again pyramiding up then down or something?
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Way besides this math equation this guy is trying to solve can you tell me what numbers i would be looking at for a back as big as yours (provided that appetite is just as big too). chins or lat pulls. rows, and deads… do i have to deadlift cars? lol looking huge man. [/quote]

hahaha, I lol’d @ math equation. Thank ya sir, I’ll try not to derail this thread, but I really don’t lift all that heavy, I means my rows are 275-315, and DL I’ll do reps with 315-405. Now I can go much heavier obviously, but my form is compromised. I always aim for peak contraction and slow negative, I follow a lot of dorian yates principles in that regard. Pretty much working up to 1 top set of 6-10 reps and reaching failure on each exercise. Back day is always, machine pullover, then lat pulldown, BB rows, deadlift (I stop negative at 2 inches below knee and pull back up) and cable rows. Hope that helps.[/quote]

Thanks a lot man. Have incorporated your milk drinking strategy in my diet. 1 word = Awesome… Keep doing what you do man…
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haha nice. Thanks, will do.

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Whats the milk drinking strategy?

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I thought this was supposed to be a thread of finishing exercises, not a discussion of opinions on whether they are effective or not.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
I thought this was supposed to be a thread of finishing exercises, not a discussion of opinions on whether they are effective or not.[/quote]

You don’t think it’s important to discuss the efficacy of a finishing exercise? You just want a list of stuff to do?

Ok, for bicepz I grab the 5 lb Db’s and rep out about 300 reps each arm, I get a mad pump brah.

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Whats the milk drinking strategy? [/quote]

search The Waylanderxx Split, I think it’s on the first or 2nd page. Old thread, but it still works.

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ShawnRaylanderxxx is going all pussy on us with the weights…
Dorian Yates is turning in his grave man… Oh, wait… Er…

:wink:

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LOL! You know what CCizzle? I’ll throw up pics in a month or two and let you see the improvements! I’ve reached new levels of development and I am using weights much lighter, I think Dorian is turning in his grave to give me a thumbs up, haha.

I’m going as heavy as I can while still hitting the target muscles, sorry it’s so light :frowning:

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I know man, just messing with ya.

Lat-width doesn’t usually happen from heavy 4-6 rep pulldowns with the stack and 2 45’s hanging off it… You can look at every max-OT veteran for confirmation… They all have great arms and sometimes good backthickness but absolutely pathetic width considering all the weight they’re using.

Plus your deadlifts are basically SLDL’s, so you’re forgiven.

But you’re still a pussy :slight_smile:

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Antares wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

Basically, what I’m saying is I don’t believe an exercise should be performed any differently just because it is at the end of your session.[/quote]

I believe an exercise should be performed differently at the end of a session, than at the beginning, only if you are not feeling up to doing it all over again.

Often enough I have, ( as it says in my post ), repeated my ‘main’ compound, at the end, in a Pyramid. The same total parameter actually.

It just doesn’t feel right to do that every time.

Performing a given movement with different parameters at the end of session, is really sometimes the only way to keep hitting that muscle without going straight to something like Pec Dec, when you can’t go about the first and ‘main’ way of going about it.

I don’t call what I am doing at the end of a muscle-groups session, a ‘finisher’ any ways.

I don’t think of the change in parameters, as anything ‘bonus/extra’, any more than curls are ‘bonus/extra’ for my ‘arms’, it’s as serious as the Pyramids.[/quote]

I don’t really understand what you are saying here. So if you do bench press at the beginning, then at the end you would do bench press again pyramiding up then down or something?
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It’s not Sorcery it’s simple, I am largely doing what you yourself do, I just repeat my first movement ( say Military Press ) in a pyramid (up), and then drop set it.

Sometimes I reverse that.

I do some Iso ( pyramid up ), then I repeat this ‘main’ movement ( Military Press ) again, in 1x60 or something like that parameter.

It’s difficult to get across the net, because this last part of my sessions are ‘eccentric’, and straight pyramids are common knowledge here, this other shit not so much I guess.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
I thought this was supposed to be a thread of finishing exercises, not a discussion of opinions on whether they are effective or not.[/quote]

You don’t think it’s important to discuss the efficacy of a finishing exercise? You just want a list of stuff to do?

Ok, for bicepz I grab the 5 lb Db’s and rep out about 300 reps each arm, I get a mad pump brah.[/quote]

Don’t exaggerate what I said to a crazy conclusion, you’ve been around the forums long enough to know that shit’s gay. But Way, opinions about finishers are a dime a dozen, there are huge guys that advocate some kind of finisher and huge guys that don’t. Not like the finisher discussion hasn’t been beaten to death. Might as well throw around some crazy ideas to alleviate boredom.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]That One Guy wrote:
I thought this was supposed to be a thread of finishing exercises, not a discussion of opinions on whether they are effective or not.[/quote]

You don’t think it’s important to discuss the efficacy of a finishing exercise? You just want a list of stuff to do?

Ok, for bicepz I grab the 5 lb Db’s and rep out about 300 reps each arm, I get a mad pump brah.[/quote]

Don’t exaggerate what I said to a crazy conclusion, you’ve been around the forums long enough to know that shit’s gay. But Way, opinions about finishers are a dime a dozen, there are huge guys that advocate some kind of finisher and huge guys that don’t. Not like the finisher discussion hasn’t been beaten to death. Might as well throw around some crazy ideas to alleviate boredom.[/quote]

How dare you! You tell me my example is crazy then ask for crazy ideas. YOUZ ARE HIPOCRITZ

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
I know man, just messing with ya.

Lat-width doesn’t usually happen from heavy 4-6 rep pulldowns with the stack and 2 45’s hanging off it… You can look at every max-OT veteran for confirmation… They all have great arms and sometimes good backthickness but absolutely pathetic width considering all the weight they’re using.

Plus your deadlifts are basically SLDL’s, so you’re forgiven.

But you’re still a pussy :slight_smile:
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Hey and guess what? I only weigh 264 right now too! GASP! haha

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Doh

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My favorite finishers (when I feel like it):

Quads/Hams: Drop Sets on hack squats/light jump squats/sissy squats
Calves: SM Drop Sets/Rest Pause calf raises
Chest: Drop Sets cable/DB flyes/DB press x light weight 30 sec
Back: Compound sets (lat pulldowns-stiff arm pulldowns/T-bar rows-DB B/O rows)
Shoulders: 3-way raises 4x10/OH STD DB standing press x failure
Biceps: DB drop set/bar-band drop set/SS cable preacher curl with DB incline curls
Triceps: Compound sets (wt.ed dips-tri pressdown-skullcrushers)
Forearms: Compound set (wrist rollers-hammer curls-reverse curls)

Those are a few that I like to use when dieting down the BF. Even though Waylander is right you don’t really need to do finishers, but they sure are fun!

v/r

Gremlin