When MMA has lasted 100+ years of popularity I will listen to the above argument. Until then, you’re trying to predict the future.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
The sport of boxing is not dead, it is on the decline however. As mma continues to grow and the older boxing fans die boxing will eventually go by the way of real wrestling.
Wrestling was the biggest sport in the nation in the very early 1900’s then boxing came along and well you know what happened…MMA will eventually have that effect on boxing…it’s only a matter of time.
Why?
Here’s why:: Young males as a group who like combat sports prefer mma to boxing.
Simple.
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Boxing goes back much much farther than the early 1900’s.
Boxing is always on the decline. I think it is premature to say this. MMA finally blew up in the states in 2005. I think some mma fans forget just how established boxing is at the local level in not just the states but the world.
I also don’t see why they can’t coexist. Why would anybody wish for the decline of boxing? I like most combat sports. There will always be hardcore fans for both mma and boxing. I don’t know how far mma will go but I think the true hardcore fans who know the sport will always be small relatively(like boxing). Boxing is a niche sport anyway already.
IF boxing died, maybe it would die just in America. Still don’t think that would happen. There are other countries in this world.
I think what mma fans should be worrying about more is wrestling programs disapearing from American colleges.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
The sport of boxing is not dead, it is on the decline however. As mma continues to grow and the older boxing fans die boxing will eventually go by the way of real wrestling.
Wrestling was the biggest sport in the nation in the very early 1900’s then boxing came along and well you know what happened…MMA will eventually have that effect on boxing…it’s only a matter of time.
Why?
Here’s why:: Young males as a group who like combat sports prefer mma to boxing.
Simple.
Boxing goes back much much farther than the early 1900’s.
Boxing is always on the decline. I think it is premature to say this. MMA finally blew up in the states in 2005. I think some mma fans forget just how established boxing is at the local level in not just the states but the world.
I also don’t see why they can’t coexist. Why would anybody wish for the decline of boxing? I like most combat sports. There will always be hardcore fans for both mma and boxing. I don’t know how far mma will go but I think the true hardcore fans who know the sport will always be small relatively(like boxing). Boxing is a niche sport anyway already.
IF boxing died, maybe it would die just in America. Still don’t think that would happen. There are other countries in this world.
I think what mma fans should be worrying about more is wrestling programs disapearing from American colleges.
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Agreed.
Just because young white kids don’t watch it as much doesn’t mean it’s dying by any means… and I think you just saw on Sat. night how much Mexico and Puerto Rico love it… or the resurgence of English fighters in the last couple of years, and the influx of Eastern Europeans dominating the heavyweights, along with the popularity of it, as always, in the inner cities.
Most boxing fans either enjoy MMA or ignore it. It’s the MMA guys who have this massive inferiority complex about how badly an MMA guy would win in (insert names and contest here) and how much boxing is dying.
Meanwhile boxing just keeps plodding along and breaking Payperview records…
Whatever
I enjoy watching both sports, nice to see how great MMA is doing. But when boxing is on, I drool. Boxing will never die!
Also, boxing and wrestling are probably the two oldest martial arts. For any horse’s ass to say that boxing is dying is retarded.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
The sport of boxing is not dead, it is on the decline however. As mma continues to grow and the older boxing fans die boxing will eventually go by the way of real wrestling.
Wrestling was the biggest sport in the nation in the very early 1900’s then boxing came along and well you know what happened…MMA will eventually have that effect on boxing…it’s only a matter of time.
Why?
Here’s why:: Young males as a group who like combat sports prefer mma to boxing.
Simple.
Boxing goes back much much farther than the early 1900’s.
Boxing is always on the decline. I think it is premature to say this. MMA finally blew up in the states in 2005. I think some mma fans forget just how established boxing is at the local level in not just the states but the world.
I also don’t see why they can’t coexist. Why would anybody wish for the decline of boxing? I like most combat sports. There will always be hardcore fans for both mma and boxing. I don’t know how far mma will go but I think the true hardcore fans who know the sport will always be small relatively(like boxing). Boxing is a niche sport anyway already.
IF boxing died, maybe it would die just in America. Still don’t think that would happen. There are other countries in this world.
I think what mma fans should be worrying about more is wrestling programs disapearing from American colleges.
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Agreed.
Just because young white kids don’t watch it as much doesn’t mean it’s dying by any means… and I think you just saw on Sat. night how much Mexico and Puerto Rico love it… or the resurgence of English fighters in the last couple of years, and the influx of Eastern Europeans dominating the heavyweights, along with the popularity of it, as always, in the inner cities.
Most boxing fans either enjoy MMA or ignore it. It’s the MMA guys who have this massive inferiority complex about how badly an MMA guy would win in (insert names and contest here) and how much boxing is dying.
Meanwhile boxing just keeps plodding along and breaking Payperview records…
Whatever
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Is this going to be a weekly argument? If so, we should start another forum, “Who would win, a boxer or an MMAer”[/quote]
No, this thread will not be created because the answer is obviously an MMAer. That’s why pretty boy shut his mouth after Dana White called him out and offered Sean Sherk up to fight him.
Great fight last night! Cotto was much faster and landed harder shots than Margarito, but Margarito is a warrior. He just kept jabbing at Cotto little by little, then finally broke him down and took him to town.
I didn’t expect Margarito to do that to Cotto, especially that late in the fight, but that’s why he holds the belt. His ability to wear down Cotto, then finish him off, was remarkable.
Side note: any event on PPV I usually watch at a sports bar. Not that many places in town were showing the fight, and the one place that was showing it, me and buddy and maybe 20 other people were there to watch the fight. I don’t know if too many people didn’t know about the fight, but the turnout was pretty low. Was the fight not advertised as heavy as other fights?
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Is this going to be a weekly argument? If so, we should start another forum, “Who would win, a boxer or an MMAer”
No, this thread will not be created because the answer is obviously an MMAer. That’s why pretty boy shut his mouth after Dana White called him out and offered Sean Sherk up to fight him. [/quote]
I think you missed the humor.
Seriously dude sometimes it’s better just to STFU.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Seriously dude sometimes it’s better just to STFU. [/quote]
Yawn.
Aint that the truth. This MMA vs Boxing shit is lame and boring. Honestly, MMA fighters and boxers must get sick of all the fanboy bullshit…
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Seriously dude sometimes it’s better just to STFU. [/quote]
Maybe you should practice what you preach every once in a while.
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
It means that boxing is dead and the fight of the decade will be in MMA.[/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Also, boxing and wrestling are probably the two oldest martial arts. For any horse’s ass to say that boxing is dying is retarded.[/quote]
Quinnthology, a.k.a Horse’s Ass, STFU.
But back to the fight…
Just take a look at the compubox punch stats. They almost don’t make sense:
[b]Miguel Cotto
Total punches - 280 / 655 - 43%
Total jabs - 101 / 260 - 39%
Power punches - 179 / 395 - 45%
Antonio Margarito
Total punches - 267 / 987 - 27%
Total jabs - 30 / 340 - 9%
Power punches - 237 / 647 - 37%[/b]
Hard to believe that Cotto lost…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
FIght of the decade is still Ward-Gatti I or Castillo Corrales to me.[/quote]
Oh and Irish, as for actual Fight of the Decade…well yeah, don’t think anyone would argue with those choices…
Me personally, I think I would also be looking at Morales-Barrera…
PRO boxing is shit. it’s too corrupt, and it’s dying.
boxing as a sport, will get a boost from MMA because more MMA fighters use boxing. boxing coaches are brought to MMA schools, but not traditional style boxing. it will be boxing that’s been modified for MMA.
i wanted to do boxing before they had MMA but there were no boxing clubs around my hick town. they’ve always been really hard to find. MMA schools seem to be popping up everywhere now.
[quote]JoeyDestroy wrote:
PRO boxing is shit. it’s too corrupt, and it’s dying.
boxing as a sport, will get a boost from MMA because more MMA fighters use boxing. boxing coaches are brought to MMA schools, but not traditional style boxing. it will be boxing that’s been modified for MMA.
i wanted to do boxing before they had MMA but there were no boxing clubs around my hick town. they’ve always been really hard to find. MMA schools seem to be popping up everywhere now. [/quote]
Why you didn’t box is the biggest reason I see MMA growing, but as far as corrupt, MMA is currupt (Kimbo?), and getting worse. In a way being corrupt helps sports grow the fastest.
This Cotto fight has been the biggest fight I’ve seen this decade. Out of all the sports bars I’ve went to this is the first time a majority of MMA fans preferred to watch the match. Unless the heavyweight division gets better it will remain that way.
[quote]Quinnthology wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Is this going to be a weekly argument? If so, we should start another forum, “Who would win, a boxer or an MMAer”
No, this thread will not be created because the answer is obviously an MMAer. That’s why pretty boy shut his mouth after Dana White called him out and offered Sean Sherk up to fight him. [/quote]
Wow. Quinn, you need to get a clue, brother.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
otoko wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
The sport of boxing is not dead, it is on the decline however. As mma continues to grow and the older boxing fans die boxing will eventually go by the way of real wrestling.
Wrestling was the biggest sport in the nation in the very early 1900’s then boxing came along and well you know what happened…MMA will eventually have that effect on boxing…it’s only a matter of time.
Why?
Here’s why:: Young males as a group who like combat sports prefer mma to boxing.
Simple.
Boxing goes back much much farther than the early 1900’s.
Yes, I’m aware that it was around much further back than the early 1900’s. However, even though they had “prize fighting” in the form of boxing it was illegal in most states (sound familiar?). In fact, John L. Sullivan who was considered the first Heavy Weight Boxing Champion fought most of his fights illegally.
Boxing remained illegal in most of the country through the early 1900’s. I feel it was just about where MMA was in the late 1990’s. Interesting, just about 100 years apart. Boxing became incredibly popular and legal just about everywhere a few years after 1920. That was when New York passed something called “The Walker Law” which permitted public prizefighting.
And NOT coincidentally Wrestling which was the precursor of Boxing in the US fell further into disrepute and dropped from the sports scene. Why couldn’t the two coexist? One word: MONEY. There is only so much money to spend by the typical fan and if they spend it on one sport it is not there to support the other. I don’t feel that Boxing will necessarily fall into disrepute. although people like Don King could make that happen, it is losing fans, and PPV sales have been on a steady decline. Why? Largely because of MMA. Now my previous post prediction could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Boxing will fall it’s just a matter of time.
As I stated there is only so much money that combat sports fans have to spend each month. I think that as the older Boxing fans die the young combat sports fans will turn to MMA as they have been doing in large droves since the inception of the sport.
Boxing is always on the decline.
Not true after 1920 boxing entered its “golden age”. It took a meteoric rise and has only been on the decline over the past 25 years or so. But mostly over the past 10 to 15 years.
MMA finally blew up in the states in 2005. I think some mma fans forget just how established boxing is at the local level
As was Wrestling prior to Boxing. Something such as this usually dies from the top down. That’s what happened with Wrestling and that is what will happen with Boxing. And in fact already has begun.
I also don’t see why they can’t coexist.
As previously stated one reason: MONEY. There is only so much in the hands of the working males in this country (the biggest fan base of both sports)…If they spend it watching MMA it will not be in their pockets for Boxing. It’s really very simple.
Why would anybody wish for the decline of boxing?
Certainly not me, I too enjoy Boxing. My prediction has nothing to do with wishing harm on Boxing. I enjoy Boxing, but the two will not coexist in the future.
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Hi Mick
Good post mate. There do seem to be some uncanny parallels between the reception/establishment of both MMA and boxing.
The only thing I would hesitate to read too much into is some kind of evolutionary sporting law - almost like the survival of the fittest, or the rise and fall of nations! Ok, that was a bit dramatic and more so than you described anyway, but you get what I mean. Who says it has to be this way regarding boxing and MMA? Is it really so impossible for these two sports to co-exist?
It doesn’t seem so impossible. In fact it seems to be happening right now in front of us.
I think what Joey said has some truth in it too - if boxing was/is/coming out of a decline, MMA might only help to provide a further boost.
That’s what I believe will be the case. But like you (I suspect) that’s also what I would like to believe…