[quote]Sifu wrote:
Xylene the ufc isn’t what it used to be. Carly Gracie has said that the original idea of the ufc was to bring together various styles to see what actually worked. [/quote]
Let’s be brutally honest.
The original purpose of the UFC was to help the Gracie family expand their GJJ schools into north america. UFC 1 was nothing more than an infomercial for Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Hormones play a big role. Men have a monthly testosterone cycle, so even the toughtest guys in our dojo didn’t always feel quite so tough. A womans monthly cycle has an even more profound effect on their confidence levels. So if you match two women who are at different phases of their moon you might not get much of a fight.
Hi Sifu,
I did not know I have a monthly testosterone cycle. This concept is totally new as well as very intriguing, given that it’s right. Do you have any material, links, or sources. Or, could you just elaborate a bit more on the subject, please?
Regards-
Schwarzfahrer
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Dude, how much does it suck to have to write your name at the end of all your posts?
-dizzle
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Over the years, the Gracie style of Jiu Jitsu has consistently demonstrated its effectiveness. My father’s concept is now being perpetuated on pay-per-view TV for purely commercial purposes – selling violence for violence’s sake or for entertainment!
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I’m sure that many of the gracies don’t like the current UFC. I am not really very concerned about it. MMA is no longer about the Gracie Challenge and that is fine by me. I don’t care why it originally started, though to claim that the Gracies were the first to do this is incorrect.
That may be true. Though I fully believe that while you could demonstrate these punches in 15 minutes, how long would it take before the student was proficient with them? Boxing doesn’t have many more techniques than that really, but takes a lot longer to learn.
I didn’t see that fight. It was the Tapout reality show? I haven’t seen that. Though I have heard it sucks the ass, so who knows. I DO hate the professional wrestling showmanship thing that the UFC tends to project. I wish they would promote it much more like Collegiate Wrestling or something, as pure sport, but that isn’t likely to happen.
I have to admit that many fighters don’t have amazing striking skills. Then again, if they are grapplers they work that gameplan instead. I can’t vouch for that guys grappling skills though. As you appeal to the original UFC, Gracie had terrible (still does, too) striking skills in the original UFC and he won too didn’t he?
Apparently that clown guy’s opponent didn’t have great striking either, given that he couldn’t drop the clown dude if he was hitting him, or at least not great power.
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He got to the other guys back and that was it submitted him. I’m sure some of you guys saw it, it was the guys in the clown outfits show.[/quote]
This is a problem?
Once again, I think that this is a great discussion, and respect your opinion.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
I watched a match the other day where the guy who won didn’t even have that much of a skill set. The commentator said before the match this guy has no stand up and he wasn’t kidding. He blocked punches with his face but just kept coming till all of a sudden he got ahold of the other guy then bam, he looked like a bear cub climbing a tree.
He got to the other guys back and that was it submitted him. I’m sure some of you guys saw it, it was the guys in the clown outfits show.[/quote]
Isn’t that matching style vs style?
The guy didn’t have a good standup, so he took the other guy down, and submitted him.
The Tapout show is moronic but they have been helping fighters put food on their tables for awhile now so I respect that.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Xylene the ufc isn’t what it used to be. Carly Gracie has said that the original idea of the ufc was to bring together various styles to see what actually worked.
Let’s be brutally honest.
The original purpose of the UFC was to help the Gracie family expand their GJJ schools into north america. UFC 1 was nothing more than an infomercial for Gracie Jiu Jitsu.[/quote]
Add in a gi v no gi and that helps quite a bit as well.
I tend to forget that the concept of the UFC was to see which styles are most effective.
At the same time the UFC was going on in the US, Pancrase, Shooto, RINGS and Vale Tudo Japan were taking place in Japan. Though the point of these shows were to show who was the strongest fighter. The clash of styles doesn’t hold any interest in Japan.
Of course a wrestler would take down somebody with no grappling experience. That seems to be a view held by Japanese fight fans at the time.
Shooto actually was introduced back in the 80’s, it is its own contained sport with a commission. Probably the best run and best organized mma organization in the world. RINGS started in 1991 and evovled to the KING OF KINGS RINGS with guys like Dan Henderson, Arona, Fedor, Nog, Couture, Horn fighting for them.
Actually Maeda Akira was instrumental in scouting guys like Nog. Pancrase started with Funaki who would fight Rickson Gracie a bit later. Guys like the Shamrocks, Marquardt, Condit came out of Pancrase.
Looking back the initial UFCs really do seem just an attempt to promote Gracie Juijitsu because obviously there were mixed martial artists like Funaki around who did know grappling and striking who did not fight in the early UFCs.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Looking back the initial UFCs really do seem just an attempt to promote Gracie Juijitsu because obviously there were mixed martial artists like Funaki around who did know grappling and striking who did not fight in the early UFCs. [/quote]
That is not entirely fair. Ken Shamrock fought in UFC 1 against Gracie. I would generally agree though that the purpose was to promote Gracie Jujitsu. This is why they used the lanky and un-athletic looking Royce and not one of the other Gracie brothers. I have heard that Gene LeBell’s camp were asked by the Gracies to stay out of the early UFCs as well.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
OK. So most MMA girls don’t look like Gina Carrano, but they can fight like hell, for real.[/quote]
Haha! You just had to post TSK’s Lauren D’August.
She really is pretty in person, believe me.