Feminization of American Boys

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[quote]Kailash wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
In The Gospel of Thomas, Jesus says that we reach paradise when the difference between the sexes disappears, when we go back even before the Garden of Eden. Since these words were written as Jesus walked along throughout the region, some scholars think these are the actual words of Jesus.

I think you misinterpret the Gospel. What it’s saying is that we should lose the idea that “I am a man” or “I am a woman” and not TRY to act thusly. That never works, and creates a bunch of phonies acting out a gender stereotype (such as thugs and hoes).[/quote]

" Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the kindom of the heavens. Therefore,whoever will humble himself like this young child is one that is greatest in the kindom of thre heavens." Matthew 18:3,4

Jesus tought by means of illustrations.
(I wish I went to his school: mostly outdoor, getting exercised by long walks and fresh air, fishing, sea storms…Jesus ROCKED the earth, literally! : )
THAT system of schooling would have kept me interested!)

In the passage above he was teaching a lesson in humility. Hence that illustration could have been reinterpreted as becoming asexual as a requirement to go back to a spiritual body :

“And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthily bodies is a different sort…It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. It is even so written; ‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life giving spirit.” 1 Corithians 15: 40,44&45

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
I’ve taught kids as young as 4th grade in public schools (and as young as 4 years old at the Illinois School for the Deaf), and the experience made me a very strong advocate of all boys/girls classes.

Been teaching for 25 years. THIS would be the smartest thing ever done, to improve education and our schools.

HH

That and mandatory school uniforms.

What do you like about uniforms?

We have uniforms–cheap, simple, it color codes the kids by grade level, easy for parents. It just eliminates so much crap.

Kids will always test boundaries, because they are kids. Uniforms eliminates one of the ways kids push the boundaries.

Again, completely agree. I see some of my students in the summer and the girls look like whores and the boys look like wandering bums. Can’t believe how dirty they get! I also think a once/week shower is about it, in the summer.

All boys should be clean shaven, trimmed hair, NO jewelry, no tongue bolts or any of that BS. Girls should look like young ladies, skirt at the knee, a nice blouse, ‘quiet’ jewelry. And they should all be IN UNIFORM.

HH

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I agree with all posters 100%

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I am a veteran of the original women’s rights movement in the seventies

It is a time for understanding and celebrating our power, both male and female.[/quote]

That must have been exciting! I’m all for starting up a revolution!
…unfortunately I was falling of the “liable” monkey bars then. And I am still falling off the monkey bars now; I tried the One arm Snatch barbell today at 15kg and nearly dropped the thing on my head…
WHAT AN AWSOME EXERCISE!!! I am sOoOoo HaPpYYy !!

That is one way I celebrate the power of my femininity : I lift heavy weight confidently with explosive power - and men at my gym look at me in awe and respect and admiration.

Men will always be physically stronger. It’s not about being competitive it’s about being cooperative.
A woman is a man’s complement and a man is a woman’s supplement. When that happens the relationship doesn’t have to work, the relationship just is.

Boys need to be made confident about this.

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[quote]Kailash wrote:

What caused man to leave the Garden?[/quote]

Disobedience.

We are obliged by law to obey the rules of our governments. If we don’t we lose our previledges and in some cases our lives.

The same was true in the beginning except that there was only a warning:

“Push your boundaries to your satisfaction but do not trespass that boundary because knowledge of that territory does not belong to you and you will certainly suffer and die.” Genesis 2:16&17

The fruit was symbolic of the capacity to decide for ourselves what was right from wrong (to possess knowledge in the absolute sence of what is good and what is bad). The territory of judgement belonged to the maker and original Sovereing alone. The warning was; you are free to do as you will but do not attempt to guide yourself without me because you will not make it.

The tree was purely symbolic of; Who has the right to rule, the maker or the think made?

It was a question of Sovereingty.

Mankind did have guidance and freedom and they used their freedom to chose not to have guidance and “become like a God”, experts on deciding for themselves what is right from wrong.

Isn’t that what we are doing up to this day?

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Screw this - I say let’s bring up the GIRLS to be MORE MANLY.

Or at least get them lifting weights.

Compulsory weightlifting in all schools for all sexes.

Let their improved strength and confidence take care of the rest.

Hell, yes! I want my daughter to be tough. I will teach her how to fight so none of the little dirtbag boys will mess with her. When she fights with her older brother, I ususlly let it go unless someone is getting hurt (she wins sometimes). Raising a prissy little girl is not doing her any favors. Eventually, she will encounter a situation where she will need to defend herself. I say get rid of all school computer labs and build weight rooms. We dont’ need more fat, lazy computer geeks.

I would not recommend this advice. Let your daughter play rough team sports, but don’t beat up the boys unless absolutely necessary. I learned what it means to be a team player from years of playing field hockey, and it’s a great skill I will use forever. But I never went to my high school proms or even went out on a date for that matter until college, all because I used to beat up boys for fun in middle school. Live and learn.

I raised each of my children to be the best they can according to their talents and strengths. And I am proud of the woman my daughter has become and the young men my sons are.

There are differences between the sexes that should be respected and celebrated, not be made fun of or put down or stereotyped as the blond bubblehead or male buffoon. I am a veteran of the original women’s rights movement in the seventies, and I can assure you that this modern man-hating “feminism” is so far removed from the ideals of the original philosophy as facism is from democracy.

Instead of using female power, these women have made victims of themselves with men as the enemy. To me, this is female weakness, and this agenda of “putting men in their place” has now backfired and the backlash from men is now here.

All I can say is “I told you so” and what took you men so long? It is not time for another sexual war. It is a time for understanding and celebrating our power, both male and female.[/quote]

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

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Absolutely!

Girls need to know that they can possess their bodies and share it only whith whom they choose to and when they find themselves to be ready.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

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Geez, I guess I never thought of myself as a bully, just a tomboy. Maybe that’s why I never got laid!!! Or maybe I just had the misfortune to be a tall, muscular girl among the more petite, pretty girls who got all the attention and I was jealous!! Being a young teenager is tough time.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

Geez, I guess I never thought of myself as a bully, just a tomboy. Maybe that’s why I never got laid!!! Or maybe I just had the misfortune to be a tall, muscular girl among the more petite, pretty girls who got all the attention and I was jealous!! Being a young teenager is tough time.

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It’s getting tougher. It’s frightening how promiscuous kids are these days. My kids will be taught that oral sex IS sex and that sex in general is not appropriate until they are married. Unfortunately, too many kids are taught the opposite and expect their “partner” to believe the same.

In my job I deal with teenagers. Sex is practically expected on first dates. Their music is graphic. Their hero’s (mostly MTV personalities) are sexual. Everything on TV geared towards teenagers is sexual. Old fashioned morals are…well, old fashioned in popular culture. Personally, I’m old fashioned and raise my kids that way. I’d rather my daughter be a tomboy than promiscuous.

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not sure if this has been brought up yet b/c i didn’t read all 8 (so far) pages.

but think about how the fashion industry is adding to this trend. the ‘popular’ stores (u know the ones) are all pushing for smaller shirts to be worn, tighter jeans etc…

what’s next? will belly shirts be back soon?

meanwhile guys like us that look good already can say “fuck that store” and just snag a normal L/XL shirt @ walmart and look just as good as the morons who toss out $50 for a cotton shirt at your local mall.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

It’s getting tougher. It’s frightening how promiscuous kids are these days. My kids will be taught that oral sex IS sex and that sex in general is not appropriate until they are married. Unfortunately, too many kids are taught the opposite and expect their “partner” to believe the same.

In my job I deal with teenagers. Sex is practically expected on first dates. Their music is graphic. Their hero’s (mostly MTV personalities) are sexual. Everything on TV geared towards teenagers is sexual. Old fashioned morals are…well, old fashioned in popular culture. Personally, I’m old fashioned and raise my kids that way. I’d rather my daughter be a tomboy than promiscuous.
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This is a very good post.
I don’t call it old fashioned and I wouldn’t call your daughter tomboy, either.

I call it sexual integrity.

You can even teach her to use or think of herself this expression if she feels pressured or is teased by anyone who questions her sexuality:

I have sexual integrity

It is that simple.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

Geez, I guess I never thought of myself as a bully, just a tomboy. Maybe that’s why I never got laid!!! Or maybe I just had the misfortune to be a tall, muscular girl among the more petite, pretty girls who got all the attention and I was jealous!! Being a young teenager is tough time.

It’s getting tougher. It’s frightening how promiscuous kids are these days. My kids will be taught that oral sex IS sex and that sex in general is not appropriate until they are married. Unfortunately, too many kids are taught the opposite and expect their “partner” to believe the same.

In my job I deal with teenagers. Sex is practically expected on first dates. Their music is graphic. Their hero’s (mostly MTV personalities) are sexual. Everything on TV geared towards teenagers is sexual. Old fashioned morals are…well, old fashioned in popular culture. Personally, I’m old fashioned and raise my kids that way. I’d rather my daughter be a tomboy than promiscuous.
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caeful you don’t mess them up with the “sex is a bad thing” line. Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people, but waiting for amrriage is asking for a divorce later

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[quote]legend wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

Geez, I guess I never thought of myself as a bully, just a tomboy. Maybe that’s why I never got laid!!! Or maybe I just had the misfortune to be a tall, muscular girl among the more petite, pretty girls who got all the attention and I was jealous!! Being a young teenager is tough time.

It’s getting tougher. It’s frightening how promiscuous kids are these days. My kids will be taught that oral sex IS sex and that sex in general is not appropriate until they are married. Unfortunately, too many kids are taught the opposite and expect their “partner” to believe the same.

In my job I deal with teenagers. Sex is practically expected on first dates. Their music is graphic. Their hero’s (mostly MTV personalities) are sexual. Everything on TV geared towards teenagers is sexual. Old fashioned morals are…well, old fashioned in popular culture. Personally, I’m old fashioned and raise my kids that way. I’d rather my daughter be a tomboy than promiscuous.

caeful you don’t mess them up with the “sex is a bad thing” line. Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people, but waiting for amrriage is asking for a divorce later[/quote]

I’d be lieing if I said I never had sex before marriage, but I will say sex in high school or younger is wrong. I know many will disagree, but that’s just my old fashioned morals coming out. Don’t know what divorce has to do with virginity till marriage.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:

It’s getting tougher. It’s frightening how promiscuous kids are these days. My kids will be taught that oral sex IS sex and that sex in general is not appropriate until they are married. Unfortunately, too many kids are taught the opposite and expect their “partner” to believe the same.

In my job I deal with teenagers. Sex is practically expected on first dates. Their music is graphic. Their hero’s (mostly MTV personalities) are sexual. Everything on TV geared towards teenagers is sexual. Old fashioned morals are…well, old fashioned in popular culture. Personally, I’m old fashioned and raise my kids that way. I’d rather my daughter be a tomboy than promiscuous.

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but think about how the fashion industry is adding to this trend. the ‘popular’ stores (u know the ones) are all pushing for smaller shirts to be worn, tighter jeans etc…

what’s next? will belly shirts be back soon?

meanwhile guys like us that look good already can say “fuck that store” and just snag a normal L/XL shirt @ walmart and look just as good as the morons who toss out $50 for a cotton shirt at your local mall.

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Why don’t we call for the start of a new revolution? ; )

I say bad is “the new good”

You are truly “badass” if you:

  1. Eat clean
  2. Dress uncluttered
  3. Have a trainning life
  4. Possess a self-contained confidence
  5. Have sex only when you are mature enough not to use it as a tool for self-gratification only, and/or hurt other people in the process - or whatever your definition of sexual integrity is.

That could be a start to redefine what true masculinity is.

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[quote]legend wrote:
Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people[/quote]

Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
legend wrote:
Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people

Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.
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New best pickup line ever: “I am both deserving and appreciative of your sex.”

I’m trying to work out which kind of accent would be best for this one…

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
PGJ wrote:

I didn’t mean for my daughter to go around bulying people. But if some scumbag little boy tries to cop a feel or something she can defend herself.

Geez, I guess I never thought of myself as a bully, just a tomboy. Maybe that’s why I never got laid!!! Or maybe I just had the misfortune to be a tall, muscular girl among the more petite, pretty girls who got all the attention and I was jealous!! Being a young teenager is tough time.

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My wife was the same as you. (I sometimes am still quite amazed at how strong she is.) In high school, she was very athletic, brilliant (valedictorian), so of course had to take a guy friend to the prom. An intelligent and forthright woman is just too much, for a lot of guys.

Damn shame, because those women are the best ones, IMO.

HH

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
In high school, she was very athletic, brilliant (valedictorian), so of course had to take a guy friend to the prom. An intelligent and forthright woman is just too much, for a lot of guys.
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Maybe they’re just intimidating. I don’t know if your wife is attractive or not, but if she is, it’s a lot more nerve-wracking to approach an intelligent and attractive woman.

Also - not that I’m accusing anyone here of this - I know a lot of women who complain about not dating, or say how guys don’t pay attention to them. I see these same women getting hit on by guys all the time… just not guys that they particularly want to date.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
legend wrote:
Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people

Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.

New best pickup line ever: “I am both deserving and appreciative of your sex.”

I’m trying to work out which kind of accent would be best for this one…[/quote]

You are PhEnOmEnAl !

You cracked me up!! Happy is the woman who marries you…I nearly spit my food out laughing!

Seriously, I had this vision of you saying this so eloquently and making her heart smile…or scared to death!

Any accent, just keep a straight face like you really mean it!

Absolutely new best pick up line - ever!

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
legend wrote:
Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people

Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.

New best pickup line ever: “I am both deserving and appreciative of your sex.”

I’m trying to work out which kind of accent would be best for this one…

You are PhEnOmEnAl !

You cracked me up!! Happy is the woman who marries you…I nearly spit my food out laughing!

Seriously, I had this vision of you saying this so eloquently and making her heart smile…or scared to death!

Any accent, just keep a straight face like you really mean it!

Absolutely new best pick up line - ever!
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hhhhmmm, doesn’t sound too bad with my accent, the hard part is keeping a somewhat straight face when saying it.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.

New best pickup line ever: “I am both deserving and appreciative of your sex.”

I’m trying to work out which kind of accent would be best for this one…

Any accent, just keep a straight face like you really mean it!

Absolutely new best pick up line - ever!

hhhhmmm, doesn’t sound too bad with my accent, the hard part is keeping a somewhat straight face when saying it.[/quote]

Then she might assume you have a small penis.

!!