Feminization of American Boys

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
I’ve taught kids as young as 4th grade in public schools (and as young as 4 years old at the Illinois School for the Deaf), and the experience made me a very strong advocate of all boys/girls classes.

Been teaching for 25 years. THIS would be the smartest thing ever done, to improve education and our schools.

HH

That and mandatory school uniforms.

What do you like about uniforms?

We have uniforms–cheap, simple, it color codes the kids by grade level, easy for parents. It just eliminates so much crap.

Kids will always test boundaries, because they are kids. Uniforms eliminates one of the ways kids push the boundaries.

Again, completely agree. I see some of my students in the summer and the girls look like whores and the boys look like wandering bums. Can’t believe how dirty they get! I also think a once/week shower is about it, in the summer.

All boys should be clean shaven, trimmed hair, NO jewelry, no tongue bolts or any of that BS. Girls should look like young ladies, skirt at the knee, a nice blouse, ‘quiet’ jewelry. And they should all be IN UNIFORM.

HH

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I agree with you guys, but for a teenager, shaving every other or every day is a pain in the arse!

But at prep school, I was in a blazer and tie every day for four years. I think it’s interesting how looking athletic witout looking sloppy looks good. Like seriously, if you wear sweatpants that actually fit and compare it to the other 90% of guys you don’t look like a total tool.

The other thing is that I can already dress to have an office job and look important and confident.

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[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
doogie wrote:
I’ve taught kids as young as 4th grade in public schools (and as young as 4 years old at the Illinois School for the Deaf), and the experience made me a very strong advocate of all boys/girls classes.

Been teaching for 25 years. THIS would be the smartest thing ever done, to improve education and our schools.

HH

That and mandatory school uniforms.

What do you like about uniforms?

We have uniforms–cheap, simple, it color codes the kids by grade level, easy for parents. It just eliminates so much crap.

Kids will always test boundaries, because they are kids. Uniforms eliminates one of the ways kids push the boundaries.

Again, completely agree. I see some of my students in the summer and the girls look like whores and the boys look like wandering bums. Can’t believe how dirty they get! I also think a once/week shower is about it, in the summer.

All boys should be clean shaven, trimmed hair, NO jewelry, no tongue bolts or any of that BS. Girls should look like young ladies, skirt at the knee, a nice blouse, ‘quiet’ jewelry. And they should all be IN UNIFORM.

HH

I agree with you guys, but for a teenager, shaving every other or every day is a pain in the arse!

But at prep school, I was in a blazer and tie every day for four years. I think it’s interesting how looking athletic witout looking sloppy looks good. Like seriously, if you wear sweatpants that actually fit and compare it to the other 90% of guys you don’t look like a total tool.

The other thing is that I can already dress to have an office job and look important and confident.[/quote]

At my high school in Texas back in 1987, we weren’t allowed to wear shorts and girl’s skirts had to come down to their knees. One week I tried to grow a moustache for some reason. After about 3 days you could see it. I got sent to the principal’s office. He made me shave on the spot with the used razor he kept in his private bathroom. Who knows how many others had used that razor.

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I picked up on this thread a bit late, so forgive me if I hit previously covered ground. I’m a male 11th grade high school teacher in Northern NJ. I have to disagree with most of the posters who assert that boys are performing poorly because they are being taught like girls. I have to say that I think they are performing poorly because the girls are being taught like boys, meaning girls are being taught to be more assertive and competitive and the boys can’t keep up.

90% of the boys I teach think they can sit on their asses and do nothing and have the the world handed to them on a silver platter. To the contrary the girls are diligent and realistic, basically willing to work to acheive their goals.

To those who say that the boys should be allowed to fulfill their roles as bread winners, I’d say you are in for quite a shock as most of the boys out their would starve to death if cut loose from mom and pop. If I had to depend on one group to put food in my mouth I’d take the girls any day to bring home the bacon.

Case in point, recently I taught a summer school class for failing boys and girls. Fifty percent of the boys when asked what their future goals would be responded that they would earn their living as pro athletes. Boys will be boys, but if we don’t get realistic they are going to get their asses whipped by the girls in ever greater numbers.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
In high school, she was very athletic, brilliant (valedictorian), so of course had to take a guy friend to the prom. An intelligent and forthright woman is just too much, for a lot of guys.

Maybe they’re just intimidating. I don’t know if your wife is attractive or not, but if she is, it’s a lot more nerve-wracking to approach an intelligent and attractive woman.

Also - not that I’m accusing anyone here of this - I know a lot of women who complain about not dating, or say how guys don’t pay attention to them. I see these same women getting hit on by guys all the time… just not guys that they particularly want to date.[/quote]

True. Men are like parking spaces — the good ones are taken and the rest are handicapped. :wink:

HH

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[quote]cadams wrote:
Case in point, recently I taught a summer school class for failing boys and girls. Fifty percent of the boys when asked what their future goals would be responded that they would earn their living as pro athletes. Boys will be boys, but if we don’t get realistic they are going to get their asses whipped by the girls in ever greater numbers.[/quote]

Thank Disney and Nike for that. All the “you can be ANYTHING you want to be” crap is absurd. 1 kid out of 16,000 becomes a pro athlete. But Nike keeps telling them “just buy these shoes and you’ll be like Mike”. Every Disney movie has that theme of “just follow your dreams” stuff that gets kids actually believeing that they will become rich and famous athletes, or rock stars, or movie stars. You never see a movie about a guy who worked hard and became a great regular guy who made enough money to be comfortable and support a family. It’s always about becoming rich and famous. That’s where parents need to step in and help kids focus on realistic goals. Let them play sports like there’s no tomorrow, but always keep them grounded. Or else you end up with a Maurice Clarett.

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Article on single sex classes I thought was interesting. Please take note of what groups oppose this idea…

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
legend wrote:
Enjoying sex is a wonderful thing, i agree with reserving it for deserving people

Everyone is deserving but not everyone is appreciative.

New best pickup line ever: “I am both deserving and appreciative of your sex.”

I’m trying to work out which kind of accent would be best for this one…[/quote]

C3P0’s voice from star wars

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This thread cracks me up!

A lot of the regular posters here are arguing that we need to stop teaching boys to be like girls, to change the environment for boys to one that enforces male-centric and even, by implication, male-supremacist culture. Obviously, this is based on the assumption that gender norms are environmental. Otherwise, how could the gender norms have been changed to begin with, and how could the tactics of school teachers affect boys’ gender identities if those identities aren’t socially determined?

But, the same posters often refer to the Bible for the gender norms they want to force on the entire society. If God determined the differences between boys and girls, how on earth could mere people affect them?

In other words, the very concern the regular posters here have over the original topic demonstrates that their arguments don’t work.

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[quote]Captain Glanton wrote:
This thread cracks me up!

A lot of the regular posters here are arguing that we need to stop teaching boys to be like girls, to change the environment for boys to one that enforces male-centric and even, by implication, male-supremacist culture. Obviously, this is based on the assumption that gender norms are environmental. Otherwise, how could the gender norms have been changed to begin with, and how could the tactics of school teachers affect boys’ gender identities if those identities aren’t socially determined?

But, the same posters often refer to the Bible for the gender norms they want to force on the entire society. If God determined the differences between boys and girls, how on earth could mere people affect them?

In other words, the very concern the regular posters here have over the original topic demonstrates that their arguments don’t work.[/quote]

That is a good point, but as I pointed out earlier, the more we distance ourselves from God, the more we screw ourselves up. That is the truth. God gave us a free and independent will. We can choose to accept or reject God. Our public school system (and many parents) has rejected him. Now we are seeing the consequences.

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[quote]Ren wrote:

Article on single sex classes I thought was interesting. Please take note of what groups oppose this idea…[/quote]

Very good article. The women’s group that opposes it is basing their opposition on “legality”. They know their argument is weak. How crappy is that, being against something that works and is in the best interest of the kids because of some outdated 1970’s “equality” law. Laws change all the time.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
AlbertaBeef wrote:

I don’t need an 18 year old telling me about raising children.

Well, I was 18 five years ago. But who’s counting?

Someone call the paper: RJ and I have finally tied the knot.

Kid, you’re an asshole. Plain and simple.

You think you’re a liberal or progressive or whatever and you’re not. You’re a tiny-dicked little shithead who thinks he’s “bringing down the system, man!”

Well, you’re not. No one here likes you anymore.

Go away.
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Nice. Someone posts a link to something that actually happened, and you question their sexuality and approve of another post threatening them. Really classy, and a good reminder of why ‘let boys be boys’ isn’t always a good idea.

If you want to refute the post about military violence and abuse, then go ahead and do so in a rational way. But this irrational, ad hominem, childish crap gets old.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Captain Glanton wrote:

A lot of the regular posters here are arguing that we need to stop teaching boys to be like girls, to change the environment for boys to one that enforces male-centric and even, by implication, male-supremacist culture.
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Where are you getting that? Male-specific is not the same thing as male-supremacist.

No, it isn’t.

I think most people generally accept that handedness is nature, not nurture. Yet, many left-handed children have been forced to write with their right hands. They can do it… they have all sorts of problems because of it… but they can do it if they are forced to. Just because human beings are adaptable doesn’t mean that we aren’t best, by nature, in certain ways.

If a boy is manly by nature, and you force him to play with dolls and wear dresses… under the threat of physical force… he’s going to be a seriously scarred individual when he grows up. But guess what… he’ll obey, if you force him to, because he’s smaller than you are. It says next to nothing about his nature.

Nope. This is very flawed logic.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

I don’t need a prize. The world can keep its trophy.

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I like this.

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[quote]m0dd3r wrote:
vroom wrote:
Haven’t we learned that we don’t know better than nature yet?

wow Vroom, that belongs on a t-shirt.[/quote]

Another version of that is…
“Nature is not only smarter than we think, it is smarter than we can think.”

I have to agree, but I would also like to take this discussion one step further; It is not only young boys but society trying to demasculate men. Corporate america, churches, schools, TV are all trying to make men nice and as someone said ‘vanilla’. They want us to worry about each others feelings. They want us to not be agressive and tough. Thay want us to act and be more like women. Men know how to work out there problems and then go get a beer afterward. Men stand up for themselves and stand up for others. Read “Wild at Heart”. Read “Iron John”. God intended men to be men and he did not create men to act like women.