Feminists Blaming the Media

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Oh, the vast majority of the differences between men’s and women’s brains develop after birth - it’s cultures imprint.[/quote]

Look up sex differences in rat brains.[/quote]

No need, I have read up on the studies on humans. The brain is an adaptive organ, not maturing until mid-20s. It will develop in a way that makes what it is told to do work faster, more effective. If you stress one thing to girls and another thing to boys you will see a difference in how the brains develop.[/quote]

so can i achieve an IQ of 185 if i was born with a 125?

there are countless cases where men were raised as women and vice versa, NONE of them came out successful. They either got fucked up mentally or decided they want to change into their true sex.

Studies done a twins also show that raised apart, and when met again as adults, their personality are almost always identical.

Step siblings raised in the same house? NOTHING alike.

Give the genes more credit. Environment can’t change everything.

Adult men and women’s brains are obviously very different. What do people keep wanting to make them the same?

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^^ for teh lulz

I work in a male dominated field. There is also a woman that sits beside me and does the same job just as well as I do. Due to equal opporunities, she got the job. I’d say that’s achievement unlocked: equality achieved.

What I have a problem with, is us being brought into a room to be counted because management feels that our workforce should represent the populace. Working in a very specific field, where only a handful of fields of study can lead to this career, our hiring pool is limited to those who chose to study this discipline. Our workforce currently reflects the group I went to school with quite accurately, but management was not interested in that.

Since 10% of the qualified candidates are female, a 10% female workforce IS equal, but the radicals are pushing for equality at 50%. I bet the same thinkers wouldn’t push for an equal number of men working at a daycare center.

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My wife told me to look at it from a woman’s point of view, so I looked out the kitchen window while making a sammich.

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[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I applaud if a woman wants to be a physicist. I find it sexy. [/quote]

I think one of the main reasons feminism continues to be relevant is because of the sentiment expressed in the above quote. The institutional walls preventing women from advancing in their careers have in many (most?) cases fallen. Pay, adjusted for all factors, has mostly been equalized. Women are making up an ever increasing percentage of the executive ranks. Women now outnumber men in college.

But, if she decides to become a physicist then all her educational achievements have been reduced to, “that’s sexy”. I doubt Oppenheimer got the same comment when he was contemplating his career direction.

As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I applaud if a woman wants to be a physicist. I find it sexy. [/quote]

I think one of the main reasons feminism continues to be relevant is because of the sentiment expressed in the above quote. The institutional walls preventing women from advancing in their careers have in many (most?) cases fallen. Pay, adjusted for all factors, has mostly been equalized. Women are making up an ever increasing percentage of the executive ranks. Women now outnumber men in college.

But, if she decides to become a physicist then all her educational achievements have been reduced to, “that’s sexy”. I doubt Oppenheimer got the same comment when he was contemplating his career direction.

As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.

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Many people (both genders) consider the sex appeal of a given career. Attracting a desirable mate is one of our strongest drives and often contributes to our motivation to excel. This is a good thing imo.

A women who says firefighters are sexy is not generally seen as being demeaning toward men. It does not drive firefighters or men in general to “rally under a common banner”.

The move to completely desexualize our society is equally as damaging and oppressive as the opposite extreme.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
I applaud if a woman wants to be a physicist. I find it sexy. [/quote]

I think one of the main reasons feminism continues to be relevant is because of the sentiment expressed in the above quote. The institutional walls preventing women from advancing in their careers have in many (most?) cases fallen. Pay, adjusted for all factors, has mostly been equalized. Women are making up an ever increasing percentage of the executive ranks. Women now outnumber men in college.

But, if she decides to become a physicist then all her educational achievements have been reduced to, “that’s sexy”. I doubt Oppenheimer got the same comment when he was contemplating his career direction.

As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.

[/quote]
Sexism shows up in different ways. The idea that all big or even just muscular guys are dumb is a pretty common bias, something that appears to be deeply entrenched in our culture.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
basically my point in better language. thanks.[/quote]

Really because it’s kind of all over the place.

And it gives a good reason for feminism in the last paragraph, especially the last sentence.

lol

[/quote]
I agree it’s all over the place, but it was already so long. I didn’t want to go into detail about everything. I just kind of skimmed it.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.
[/quote]But do you think it’s possible for us to turn off our biology? Not be attracted to the opposite sex, not treat women that are attractive special? Do you think women don’t do the same with men they’re attracted to? We’d have to be like Vulcans to set aside our feelings. I don’t think it’s possible or realistic. If women were on top they’d be doing the same things they complain about. You also have to factor in relationships and how they shape how we view the opposite sex. Women want to be taken serious at their work, but they also want to be chased by men they’re attracted to and basically treated special by those men. It’s basically about having it all and everything being perfect.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a feminist but for me that just means I want equal opportunity. Nothing more. If I can’t do the job don’t hire me. Just give me a fair shot.
I know a lot of women that feel that way. Feminist has become such a dirty word. BUT, … so some of you may want to know, for those of us today that are my kind of feminist, it just means we want a chance and not that we are not anti-men. Love men. Men are good. Just about the opportunities!
=)

p.s. I am only speaking for myself and those friends of mine that feel the same. I am pretty sure there are all kinds of Feminists out there these days.
[/quote]

This is the view of feminism I’ve always had.

Somewhere along the way feminism got hijacked by radicalism.
[/quote]

True I think the women are forgetting that men get criticized for their looks too. If you’re going to have a job in a spot light then you have to expect people to take shots at you for everything.

^This was more of a comment about the video posted.

I’m not entirely convinced that the reason there are less women in some of the careers listed in the video is because of influences outside of a women’s/girl’s own interests/desires.

There are just way too many factors influencing a persons decisions/life to say it’s anyone thing. imo

[/quote]

I love my dad. … I do. He passed in September, but in High School I wanted to take Engineering because I wanted to be an architect. Now my dad was an old school Marine. I was not allowed to take the class because so many boys wanted to take the class. Can you even imagine? I of course asked my Dad and Mom about it and I love my dad, but he said, “It’s not really a girls job. Take something else.”
Can you even imagine!!!
Unfortunately I was not strong enough on my own to push for it.

[/quote]

I always tell my daughter she can do what any guy can do and better. I don’t ever want her to think less of herself for being a female. I tell theres nothing she can’t do.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

I always tell my daughter she can do what any guy can do and better. I don’t ever want her to think less of herself for being a female. I tell theres nothing she can’t do. [/quote]

Even become an under age stripper?

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/music_movies_girls_life/i_finally_look_like_brad_pitt_from_fight_club?id=5006434&pageNo=7

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a feminist but for me that just means I want equal opportunity. Nothing more. If I can’t do the job don’t hire me. Just give me a fair shot.
I know a lot of women that feel that way. Feminist has become such a dirty word. BUT, … so some of you may want to know, for those of us today that are my kind of feminist, it just means we want a chance and not that we are not anti-men. Love men. Men are good. Just about the opportunities!
=)

p.s. I am only speaking for myself and those friends of mine that feel the same. I am pretty sure there are all kinds of Feminists out there these days.
[/quote]

This is the view of feminism I’ve always had.

Somewhere along the way feminism got hijacked by radicalism.
[/quote]

True I think the women are forgetting that men get criticized for their looks too. If you’re going to have a job in a spot light then you have to expect people to take shots at you for everything.

^This was more of a comment about the video posted.

I’m not entirely convinced that the reason there are less women in some of the careers listed in the video is because of influences outside of a women’s/girl’s own interests/desires.

There are just way too many factors influencing a persons decisions/life to say it’s anyone thing. imo

[/quote]

I love my dad. … I do. He passed in September, but in High School I wanted to take Engineering because I wanted to be an architect. Now my dad was an old school Marine. I was not allowed to take the class because so many boys wanted to take the class. Can you even imagine? I of course asked my Dad and Mom about it and I love my dad, but he said, “It’s not really a girls job. Take something else.”
Can you even imagine!!!
Unfortunately I was not strong enough on my own to push for it.

[/quote]

I always tell my daughter she can do what any guy can do and better. I don’t ever want her to think less of herself for being a female. I tell theres nothing she can’t do. [/quote]

I understanding where you are coming from but there is no reason to be derogatory towards boys. She can do anything she puts her mind to, is a good message. She is better than boys is not. The second message is sexist.

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[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
basically my point in better language. thanks.[/quote]

Really because it’s kind of all over the place.

And it gives a good reason for feminism in the last paragraph, especially the last sentence.

lol

[/quote]
I agree it’s all over the place, but it was already so long. I didn’t want to go into detail about everything. I just kind of skimmed it.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.
[/quote]But do you think it’s possible for us to turn off our biology? Not be attracted to the opposite sex, not treat women that are attractive special? Do you think women don’t do the same with men they’re attracted to? We’d have to be like Vulcans to set aside our feelings. I don’t think it’s possible or realistic. If women were on top they’d be doing the same things they complain about. You also have to factor in relationships and how they shape how we view the opposite sex. Women want to be taken serious at their work, but they also want to be chased by men they’re attracted to and basically treated special by those men. It’s basically about having it all and everything being perfect.[/quote]

You don’t think you can turn you attraction off if you are deciding on an employee? Or things related to business?

I mean don’t you set that aside a little when determining if an attractive woman is actually a mate for you? I hope you’re selective for that anyways. :slight_smile:

There are men out there whose cocks do not get them in trouble. It’s about who’s in charge you or your cock. lol

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
There are men out there whose cocks do not get them in trouble. It’s about who’s in charge you or your cock. lol
[/quote]

Well put, sweetcheeks. btw, what’s a little thing like you doin’ thinkin’ you can drive trucks with the big boys?

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
basically my point in better language. thanks.[/quote]

Really because it’s kind of all over the place.

And it gives a good reason for feminism in the last paragraph, especially the last sentence.

lol

[/quote]
I agree it’s all over the place, but it was already so long. I didn’t want to go into detail about everything. I just kind of skimmed it.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.
[/quote]But do you think it’s possible for us to turn off our biology? Not be attracted to the opposite sex, not treat women that are attractive special? Do you think women don’t do the same with men they’re attracted to? We’d have to be like Vulcans to set aside our feelings. I don’t think it’s possible or realistic. If women were on top they’d be doing the same things they complain about. You also have to factor in relationships and how they shape how we view the opposite sex. Women want to be taken serious at their work, but they also want to be chased by men they’re attracted to and basically treated special by those men. It’s basically about having it all and everything being perfect.[/quote]

You don’t think you can turn you attraction off if you are deciding on an employee? Or things related to business?

I mean don’t you set that aside a little when determining if an attractive woman is actually a mate for you? I hope you’re selective for that anyways. :slight_smile:

There are men out there whose cocks do not get them in trouble. It’s about who’s in charge you or your cock. lol

[/quote]

Well put, sweetcheeks. btw, what’s a little thing like you doin’ thinkin’ you can be drivin’ the big rigs?[/quote]

I’m not that little. lol

I just think it would be fun job. :slight_smile:
I screwed up on the last test because I hadn’t tried the uncouple and couple on that particular tractor and trailor. 0_o I was so pissed off after. I would have passed if I had just practiced it at least once. Funny how when you get really pissed off it turns out to be because of something that was your fault. lol

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am a feminist but for me that just means I want equal opportunity. Nothing more. If I can’t do the job don’t hire me. Just give me a fair shot.
I know a lot of women that feel that way. Feminist has become such a dirty word. BUT, … so some of you may want to know, for those of us today that are my kind of feminist, it just means we want a chance and not that we are not anti-men. Love men. Men are good. Just about the opportunities!
=)

p.s. I am only speaking for myself and those friends of mine that feel the same. I am pretty sure there are all kinds of Feminists out there these days.
[/quote]

This is the view of feminism I’ve always had.

Somewhere along the way feminism got hijacked by radicalism.
[/quote]

True I think the women are forgetting that men get criticized for their looks too. If you’re going to have a job in a spot light then you have to expect people to take shots at you for everything.

^This was more of a comment about the video posted.

I’m not entirely convinced that the reason there are less women in some of the careers listed in the video is because of influences outside of a women’s/girl’s own interests/desires.

There are just way too many factors influencing a persons decisions/life to say it’s anyone thing. imo

[/quote]

I love my dad. … I do. He passed in September, but in High School I wanted to take Engineering because I wanted to be an architect. Now my dad was an old school Marine. I was not allowed to take the class because so many boys wanted to take the class. Can you even imagine? I of course asked my Dad and Mom about it and I love my dad, but he said, “It’s not really a girls job. Take something else.”
Can you even imagine!!!
Unfortunately I was not strong enough on my own to push for it.

[/quote]

I always tell my daughter she can do what any guy can do and better. I don’t ever want her to think less of herself for being a female. I tell theres nothing she can’t do. [/quote]

I understanding where you are coming from but there is no reason to be derogatory towards boys. She can do anything she puts her mind to, is a good message. She is better than boys is not. The second message is sexist.[/quote]

Well, we live in a society where its often said, “oh, you can’t do this or that, cause your a girl” I’m teaching her she can do whatever she wants and be better than others. its not being sexist. I only meant, that just cause someone is a boy, doesn’t mean hes better at something than you. if you find it sexist, tough shit.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
basically my point in better language. thanks.[/quote]

Really because it’s kind of all over the place.

And it gives a good reason for feminism in the last paragraph, especially the last sentence.

lol

[/quote]
I agree it’s all over the place, but it was already so long. I didn’t want to go into detail about everything. I just kind of skimmed it.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.
[/quote]But do you think it’s possible for us to turn off our biology? Not be attracted to the opposite sex, not treat women that are attractive special? Do you think women don’t do the same with men they’re attracted to? We’d have to be like Vulcans to set aside our feelings. I don’t think it’s possible or realistic. If women were on top they’d be doing the same things they complain about. You also have to factor in relationships and how they shape how we view the opposite sex. Women want to be taken serious at their work, but they also want to be chased by men they’re attracted to and basically treated special by those men. It’s basically about having it all and everything being perfect.[/quote]

You don’t think you can turn you attraction off if you are deciding on an employee? Or things related to business?

I mean don’t you set that aside a little when determining if an attractive woman is actually a mate for you? I hope you’re selective for that anyways. :slight_smile:

There are men out there whose cocks do not get them in trouble. It’s about who’s in charge you or your cock. lol

[/quote]I think some can be objective but not all or most. They will still be affected in some way if they are attracted to that person whether they realize it or not. And say they are hired, how are men who work with women they’re attracted to suppose to act? Can’t always be objective. My problem is women want men they’re attracted to to compliment, flirt and chase after them while the ones they aren’t attracted to treat them as equals. It’s an unrealistic expectation.

The way we evolved as humans and the way we’ve developed relationships with the opposite sex have influenced how we see the opposite sex and how we stereotype it. Just like how you made that comment about men thinking with their cock, men have their way of seeing women and it’s difficult to separate it when so much of it is confirmed as biological. So there is likely always going to be some kind of inequality unless humans evolve into some kind of intelligent, completely rational super being. Of course then there would be no emotion, no passion, no excitement.

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[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]digitalairair wrote:
basically my point in better language. thanks.[/quote]

Really because it’s kind of all over the place.

And it gives a good reason for feminism in the last paragraph, especially the last sentence.

lol

[/quote]
I agree it’s all over the place, but it was already so long. I didn’t want to go into detail about everything. I just kind of skimmed it.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As long as men continue to reduce woman to their biology (or perhaps, how a woman’s biology causes a man’s pants to rise), women are going to feel the need to rally under a common banner.
[/quote]But do you think it’s possible for us to turn off our biology? Not be attracted to the opposite sex, not treat women that are attractive special? Do you think women don’t do the same with men they’re attracted to? We’d have to be like Vulcans to set aside our feelings. I don’t think it’s possible or realistic. If women were on top they’d be doing the same things they complain about. You also have to factor in relationships and how they shape how we view the opposite sex. Women want to be taken serious at their work, but they also want to be chased by men they’re attracted to and basically treated special by those men. It’s basically about having it all and everything being perfect.[/quote]

You don’t think you can turn you attraction off if you are deciding on an employee? Or things related to business?

I mean don’t you set that aside a little when determining if an attractive woman is actually a mate for you? I hope you’re selective for that anyways. :slight_smile:

There are men out there whose cocks do not get them in trouble. It’s about who’s in charge you or your cock. lol

[/quote]I think some can be objective but not all or most. They will still be affected in some way if they are attracted to that person whether they realize it or not. And say they are hired, how are men who work with women they’re attracted to suppose to act? Can’t always be objective. My problem is women want men they’re attracted to to compliment, flirt and chase after them while the ones they aren’t attracted to treat them as equals. It’s an unrealistic expectation.

The way we evolved as humans and the way we’ve developed relationships with the opposite sex have influenced how we see the opposite sex and how we stereotype it. Just like how you made that comment about men thinking with their cock, men have their way of seeing women and it’s difficult to separate it when so much of it is confirmed as biological. So there is likely always going to be some kind of inequality unless humans evolve into some kind of intelligent, completely rational super being. Of course then there would be no emotion, no passion, no excitement.
[/quote]

Maybe if we women wore burkas or something? lol

They wouldn’t have debates of nature vs nurture if we were not able to control/change our biological urges.

It also takes a degree of control to not eat whatever you want too that’s biology too.

People always want an easier way of doing things a magic answer or pill or formula or whatever and as a last resort an excuse so we don’t have to do the work.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
People always want an easier way of doing things a magic answer or pill or formula or whatever and as a last resort an excuse so we don’t have to do the work.
[/quote]There is no magic pill or answer, but a lot of people confuse reason with excuse. There is always reason.

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[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
People always want an easier way of doing things a magic answer or pill or formula or whatever and as a last resort an excuse so we don’t have to do the work.
[/quote]There is no magic pill or answer, but a lot of people confuse reason with excuse. There is always reason.
[/quote]

Yep I agree. Like thinking motive is the same as excuse.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
hhhmmmmm I like what you are saying but I also think I want to put it out there that Feminist isn’t just what a lot of folks think.
Perhaps I should fight harder to be a Feminist of my way to start the ball rolling?

Men also need to take a step back. We aren’t stealing from you if we earn it.

Celeste[/quote]

Not many people realize there is a differenct between traditional feminists and new age feminists. The sad reality is the the new age out number the traditional and have subverted a message of equality into the perversion of the concept we see today.

But I quite like the idea of taking the word back - not an easy task, but certainly one I would get behind.[/quote]

yay!!!

And I am with you. How the heck does this happen? Truly the women I know are not man haters and actually hate the term Feminist. BUT, … they are successful women and just want to be given equal opportunities.

AND they love men… LOVE MEN!!!
[/quote]

We tend to only notice the people we know and treat the rest aas outliers. It’s part of how we’re all wired. The fact that you don’t associate with radical feminazis means you are less likely to notice them. Kind of like when you buy something new and notice everyone already had it.

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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
People always want an easier way of doing things a magic answer or pill or formula or whatever and as a last resort an excuse so we don’t have to do the work.
[/quote]There is no magic pill or answer, but a lot of people confuse reason with excuse. There is always reason.
[/quote]

Yep I agree. Like thinking motive is the same as excuse.
[/quote]

Yep. And people find all sorts of good reasons to excuse themselves and make themselves feel better about their poor decisions and their lack of conscience.