Female Cycle

[quote]J-J wrote:

And if you don’t have access to ACTUAL pharmaceutical grade steroids, don’t even consider it.

If an underground lab decides to replace a little var with dbol cut with sugar, or M1T or something, or messes up the dosages, or has other quality, labeling, etc, issues… yeah a male user might be pissed if he even notices, but it isn’t going to hurt him.

For a female, that’s a game ender.

I agree with this.[/quote]

X3

In retrospect I don’t actually think what I took was pure Anavar.
I want to find a way to test what I took because I am very curious.
When I cut the cycle short I thought I was developing a ‘cold’ which I don’t think it was a cold at all but a possible vocal cord interference. My voice did not change as I was keenly aware and monitoring the powerful changes the substance I took was having on my body.
I did land in hospital with the worst hay fever/allergic reaction I have had to date.
I felt my throat was swelling up and I was going to choke.
It was like having an asthma attack and I do not have asthma and anxiety is not part of my personalitie’s form of suffering.
That is a females nemesis number one right there.
That is one huge gamble I will never ever take again.
Any woman reading this, if you care about your voice as I do, pay to have it tested regardless of the costs incurred.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Well instead of the ‘usual’ hyperglycemic/energy liberating effects of GH, she gets a hypoglycemic/energy storage effect. Not badly, just enough to make her legs feel heavy and her workouts a big struggle.

I suspect that her insulin receptors are being activated by IGF1 (created by the GH hitting the liver), reducing blood sugar levels.

BBB[/quote]

It could also be her hormonal state.
As I mentioned to you, in spite of experimenting with higher doses and regular daily injects I do stop all usage two days before menstruation and for the 5 subsequent days of bleeding since all my physiology is geared to that release and there is no point taking anything at that stage since my hormonal state overrides everything I take.

This month I decided put that to the test and experiment. I took the usual IV dosage of GH I had built up to, along with some grapefruit juice with 400mg caffeine anhydrous powder and 40mg of active forskohlii powder ( which I DO NOT RECOMMEND as I did vomit the first time I had it ).

Within two hours I felt a lot of pressure building internally. By the time I txt you asking about taking aspirin for blood pressure I was breaking into a cold sweat, about to pass out, vomit and have my head implode at the same time, : D

I stayed calm, told myself my usual ’ I am fine all will be well as everything passes just hang in there gritz Alpha F" and two more hours after that intensely building suffering my period broke and all those symptoms went away completely.

I felt absolutely fine.

I have read and experienced GH absorption is greater when progesterone levels on females is at its highest. I have heard from another woman on GH and on a birth control progesterone based pill they experience strong side effects at first.

I want to read more into progesterone and GH interaction.
When my progesterone levels were high I was experiencing those symptoms on GH IV. I injected 150mg of DHEA and experienced immediate relief from the somnolence I first experienced on the protocol.
Now that I stopped all synthetic progesterone and it has cleared form my system I can and have injected 5 iu IV in the morning with great uplifting and well being results. Absolutely brilliant.
When progesterone is higher that seemed to be over effective - My period was due in two days and it broke prematurely, and as a matter of fact, full flow did not occur until a day later when it was biologically clock work due.

I also ponder that adding synthetic GH on top of synthetic progesterone bc pills must have its unwanted side effects.
The female reproductive system is more delicate and intricate.
Women thinking that BC is candy ( safe ) because is pharmaceutical and developed and controlled by studies done by men are acquiescing self awareness and control over their bodies.
By adding synthetic substance on top of synthetic substance they are adding insult to injury, IMO.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Anavar is usually well tolerated by women, except that it can make them selfish in bed.
[/quote]

Are you just offering:

a. your subjective opinion
b. female users subjective opinion
c. your scientific perspective

Can you also define female ‘selfishness in bed’.

I am just curious.

[quote]J-J wrote:

Alpha F. I am sure she’ll pop in to this thread - i think she gets lonely being the only female in a room of extremely highly sexed men…
[/quote]

Not really, J-J.
I can be extremely selfish in web.

: D

( I am sorry but that joke was handed on a platter to me )

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I can confidently say Alpha F, that you have possibly the most feminine, smooth and sexy voice I have ever heard (though I’ve only heard it on the end of a telephone). It would be an absolute disaster for you to have it turn scratchy and masculine.

We can have a chat about your use of AAS when I see you at the UKBFF finals this weekend, if you like.

I think it’s going to be a fun weekend; there should be quite a few of us there.

BBB[/quote]

Than you very much for the complement, I am truly honored.

I was just telling a T-friend how we are going to be with your person and I only mostly know you as ‘the face of steroids and PEDs’ of T-Nation. I am more interested in meeting the face of the man behind the knowledge so I opt out of picking your brain on that.
No offense to you , this is actually a great honor to yourself.
I doubt the other boys will let us talk to you about little else than steroids and PED’s, though.

: (

Couple of things…

You have come to a male dominated arena to ask advice on women using steroids. With this you are sure to get the usual ‘irreversable side-effects’ bullshit. Unless they are women who have long term experience using anabolics, they don’t know jack shit and are gonna hand you the same pat answers you see all over the boards. The side effects are not, I repeat, not irreversable. Yes, your voice may drop, yes your clit may swell (and this is bad?)and you may get a little hair growth. All these things can be dealt with and go away when you stop.

I have been using low doses of test for the last five years, don’t cycle it, and only go off prior to my annual physical (blood test). The sides go away, my voice returns to normal, my clit and libido returns to normal and the hair growth diminishes. Here’s a snippet of the truth:

'The media and naysayers have been rejecting steroids since the 1930’s, publically spouting negative propaganda, while privately marveling at the wondrous physiques and feats of athleticism and strength it produced. Since women are a relatively new addition to the steroid scene, and due to the obvious ethical issues surrounding the perceived potential for harm, there are very few medical journal studies relating to the effects of anabolic steroids on female subjects. Sadly, the studies that do exist, serve only to complicate matters by often using small sample sizes, and insubstantial control and placebo groups that yield largely inconclusive results.

Studies published to date on androgen replacement therapy in women do not indicate detrimental effects on body composition, lipids or vascular function. The key words here are ‘replacement therapy’. Testosterone derivatives have been developed for clinical hormonal replacement therapy in men. Thus, few forms of AAS are approved for women because the pharmokentics (the study of the action or effects of drugs on human beings) and efficacy in women have not been well researched. Therefore, less is known about the short-term and long-term effects of AAS in women. Consequently, even less is clear regarding the supraphysiological (amounts greater than normally found in the body) doses that female bodybuilders, competitors and recreational users have been known to administer.

Although interpolation has been used, the research conducted on male users can’t possibly be accurately correlated to females when there are virtually no grounds for comparison. Consequently, the alleged research-based information concerning the adverse physiological, physical, behavioral, and psychological effects of low dosage supraphysiological AAS on women is at best inaccurate, and at worst wildly speculative’.

My advice to you is to find a site/forum that is not affiliated with a supplement company.

Find one of the steroid boards and see if they have a womens section. Most do, but you have to register as a female to get rights to even view it (that’s because of the usual bullshit I mentioned above). Be patient. Do your research and try to filter through all the bullshit. Remember, there’s a reason why the boys want to keep the women out of the candy store; it called libido. This is why the FDA was looking into approving low dose Test as a female viagra.

Try to find a female who has used for long time and can give you advice. Don’t take advice from men unless they can demonstrate they have experience with females and anabolics. Most of them don’t, and could’nt find a women’s clitoris if his life depended on it. This site is filled with teenagers full of bad advice who have been training for less than five years, but think they know it all.

You need to find a vet who will talk to you. BBB has a good rep and is a genuinely nice guy, but I would seek out a womens board.

By the way, most of the good labs provide data for their products, and a simple melting point test on orals can be done, if you are in doubt. You should have learned how to do this in high school chemistry.

Lastly, any kind of modification to you endocrine systemn is going to be significantly personal. Find what works for you. Some women love winstrol, others react horribly to it. Anavar is about the mildest and has a lower toxicity than most.

Just remember; free advice is worth what you pay for it.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Any woman reading this, if you care about your voice as I do, pay to have it tested regardless of the costs incurred.[/quote]

I don’t know of a company that provides this service specifically for anabolic steroids.

The least expensive method would be proton NMR. There are companies that offer this. I suppose it may be the case that some of them would do it for an individual that has an unknown substance.

If anyone seriously wants to do this, I would crush at least 50 mg worth of tablets into powder and dissolve into acetone, filter out that which does not dissolve, and evaporate the acetone to yield whatever steroidal substance is dissolved in the tablet.

After having these crystals or this powder, that would be what would be sent off for analysis.

On getting the proton NMR spectrum (1H NMR is the same thing), post a thread and I can ask some questions which, on getting the answers, will resolve whether this is the pure substance or not. Or at least for oxandrolone or Anadrol, for example, there would be no problem here as the correct spectrum is published. There might be some for which there is no published spectrum: Oral Turinabol might be an example of that. In a case like that I probably could figure it out anyway, but I wouldn’t guarantee that I can (however, if I did figure out I could guarantee that the conclusion was correct.)

(Why a thread instead of a PM? Because unfortunately I am hopelessly behind on PM’s.)

[quote]Gaea wrote:
Couple of things…

My advice to you is to find a site/forum that is not affiliated with a supplement company. [/quote]

Right, because if a supplement company sponsors a board, that discredits the people posting on it.

Yes, we just can’t stand our girlfriends or wives having increased libido.

So far you are two for two!

Yes, this is very conclusive indeed. The fact that one person was able to do a given thing with no problem gives very high confidence that this will be true for another.

Three for three now.

Interesting mathematical fact:

If all that is known about a thing is:

  1. It is bound to happen sooner or later (e.g. some woman being virilized with a given drug at a given dosage level if enough women take it) with the chance of it happening being unknown, and

  2. How many cases there have been without the thing yet occurring

Then the correct determination of the probability of it happening, as determinable so far from that information, is 1 in (double the number of trials thus far.)

E.g., if we know that if enough women are virilized by oxandrolone at some given dose – and we do know that for any dose of 5 mg/day or more – and we know that say 5 women on the board all testify that the dose in question did not virilize them, then the correct conclusion from that information, if that is all the information one has, is that the probability is best estimated at 10%.

Unfortunately, human psychology and intuition results in people ordinarily jumping to a quite different conclusion: that if 5 others got away with it, then the chance of problem for another person must be tiny.

A small number of testimonies of getting away with a given thing says little about the risk.

Now, if you have 50 women all getting away with a given dose, then estimation of risk by correct method is about 1%.

But people jump to conclusions on far fewer testimonies than that.

That is why I don’t think it’s a good advice to come to conclusions from testimonies findable on a given board. Much better to go with the collective finding of bb’ing over very many years, or medical information which is based on sometimes more than 100 cases in a given trial, or practical outcome of medical use that has been for a far greater number of patients than that.

Rather than a small number of testimonies on a given board, whether a woman’s board or not.

Either four for four now, or five for five.

True in some cases, and kind of ironic in the case of your advice in this post.

Thanks to everyone for this helpful information. I’m still on the fence, but now I’m more informed.

Alpha Femme:
Thanks for joining in on the forum.

Right now I’m waiting for ACL surgery so I’m lifting, but not as much as I would like to.
Once I’m fully recovered I will be spending 5 days lifting and 3 days doing interval training.

My caloric intake is now right now (1200) because I’m just trying to lose a little body fat and I’m pretty inactive at this point. I’ve been keeping my protein at about 40% of my diet.

If I do decide to take anything it won’t be for a few months. I want to get back in the gym full force. At the point that I decide to take something, I know I will have to increase my caloric intake. My diet is 90% clean right now.

As far as previous health history, I supplemented DHEA, due to extremely low levels. I took a birth control pill for 5 years and have been off of it for 8 months. I previously overused soy and am no longer having a monthly cycle due to excess estrogen and decreased progesterone. (I’ll be using a progesterone cream again)

[quote]Gaea wrote:
Couple of things…[/quote]

wow

Where have you been?

: D [quote]

Find one of the steroid boards and see if they have a womens section.[/quote]
I have done that, incidentally. The best one I could find had stickies entitled:
“Keeping Virilisation to a Level You can Live With”.
I read that and it was even worse than if it had been written by a man. I don’t think the issue here is gender when it comes to information on female AAS - it is consciousness and common sense. Both men and women can be terribly lacking in that. Same with the selfishness in bed issue: steroids only enhance what you already have to start with. If loving self surrender is not a base of/lurking in your psychological make up, steroids cannot be blamed for bring up selfish behavior in bed.
This female steroids website was no different from the knowledge here, only less scientific, subjective interpretations and incomplete, generalized and uneducated guesses.
Women were being encouraged to start on low doses of 10-15mg of Anavar which I wouldn’t advise and in my case was overkill which if I hadn’t relied on my self and used my common sense to start at 2x1.25mg a day I might have found out in terrible way.
Irreversible or not, women don’t usually do well psychologically having to live 6 to 9 months shaving a beard daily and excess body fat - I still have cellulite on my triceps which I have never had from the end of my “Var” low dosage short cycle 7 months ago. And no I am not happy about that but quietly accept responsibility .

LOL. You belong here!

Incidentally, if and when I do decide to take an androgen again, my choice would be a low, and I mean low dose of testosterone - that Bill Roberts is going to send me certified from his lab.

; D

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Alpha F wrote:

Any woman reading this, if you care about your voice as I do, pay to have it tested regardless of the costs incurred.

I don’t know of a company that provides this service specifically for anabolic steroids.

The least expensive method would be proton NMR. There are companies that offer this. I suppose it may be the case that some of them would do it for an individual that has an unknown substance.

If anyone seriously wants to do this, I would crush at least 50 mg worth of tablets into powder and dissolve into acetone, filter out that which does not dissolve, and evaporate the acetone to yield whatever steroidal substance is dissolved in the tablet.

After having these crystals or this powder, that would be what would be sent off for analysis.

On getting the proton NMR spectrum (1H NMR is the same thing), post a thread and I can ask some questions which, on getting the answers, will resolve whether this is the pure substance or not. Or at least for oxandrolone or Anadrol, for example, there would be no problem here as the correct spectrum is published. There might be some for which there is no published spectrum: Oral Turinabol might be an example of that. In a case like that I probably could figure it out anyway, but I wouldn’t guarantee that I can (however, if I did figure out I could guarantee that the conclusion was correct.)

(Why a thread instead of a PM? Because unfortunately I am hopelessly behind on PM’s.)
[/quote]

Bill, thank you very much!

I will get back to you on this one.
I need to talk to the Head.

: )

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

So, when you ‘meet my face’ will there be tongues? I better get me a little mouth freshner spray thing, so as to make the ‘meeting’ as pleasant for you as possible.
[/quote]

Are you talking about kissing?

…is he talking about kissing?

scratches head

Wait, let me go train…steroid information overwhelm in my head at this moment.

[quote]snf_05 wrote:
Thanks to everyone for this helpful information. I’m still on the fence, but now I’m more informed.

Alpha Femme:
Thanks for joining in on the forum.

Right now I’m waiting for ACL surgery so I’m lifting, but not as much as I would like to.
Once I’m fully recovered I will be spending 5 days lifting and 3 days doing interval training.

My caloric intake is now right now (1200) because I’m just trying to lose a little body fat and I’m pretty inactive at this point. I’ve been keeping my protein at about 40% of my diet.

If I do decide to take anything it won’t be for a few months. I want to get back in the gym full force. At the point that I decide to take something, I know I will have to increase my caloric intake. My diet is 90% clean right now.

As far as previous health history, I supplemented DHEA, due to extremely low levels. I took a birth control pill for 5 years and have been off of it for 8 months. I previously overused soy and am no longer having a monthly cycle due to excess estrogen and decreased progesterone. (I’ll be using a progesterone cream again)
[/quote]

Hi snf_05,

It is good to hear you are not thinking of doing this tomorrow.
Thank you for giving us a better picture into your physiological status.

Your birth control pill; was it a progesterone based pill, estrogen or a combined pill?
Did you have a period during the 5 years on the pill?
How do you know you ‘overused soy’ - can you give us a quantitative value?
You said you will be using a progesterone cream ‘again’. When did you use it and why did you stop?
Was the DHEA in injections or tablets and how much supplementation ( BBB and Bill Roberts have knowledge and experience in oral DHEA dosage, I think - I only have personal experience in injections )?
What are your sources of protein and fat now? How have you substituted your over reliance on soy?
What are your sources of fat?
Can you report any changes in water retention and sodium intake at particular times of the month?

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Well she was on the contraceptive injection at the time. Actually, part of the reason she wanted to stop was to lose some weight, since the injection put half a stone on her.
[/quote]
Ah. That means a lot.
If that was the deproprovera pregesterone based injection I can say I had a horrific experience with it.

snf_05, part of the reason I decided to experiment with the Anavar as I did was because I told myself it could not be worse than my depo shot experience - and I was right. The BC injection experience was much worse then the var and it took me 15 menstrual cycles to get back on the driving seat again. That is over a year of my life.

I am sorry but no man is worth that much, and in the end he did not get me as I was too sick for the act.
It is your turn now, BBB, not to be selfish in bed and have a vasectomy, perhaps?
( I kill myself, lol )

; ) [quote]

Within two hours I felt a lot of pressure building internally. By the time I txt you asking about taking aspirin for blood pressure I was breaking into a cold sweat, about to pass out, vomit and have my head implode at the same time, : D

Why the hell didn’t you just call me? That’s what friends are for and I’m a little disappointed that you only sent me a one line text and then ‘toughed it out’.[/quote]

Because I am extremely low maintenance/independent, but you think that I am difficult.

: D

On a serious note; You are correct about the friendship part but I try not to bother my friends unless I really know I cannot hold it on my own. I told myself if it did not pass by the time I drove from aquarium A to B I would have driven home, canceled work and called you. A fish emergency came up and I somehow managed to rise to the occasion.

Sorry