[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
and Fedor is doing what his manager says.[/quote]
You don’t really believe this do you? Is a partner in M1. With millions of dollars at stake, I doubt he is just along for the ride.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
slimjim wrote:
dhickey wrote:
He’s not taking a stance against anything. They are looking for the best offer, as they should be. They are not going to sign a deal with another promotion for less money (fedor and M1), simply to make stand as you suggest. The UFC has insulted Fedor and M1 several times over the year, yet there they sit at the negotiation table. As much as you would like to make this some sort of personal crusade against the evil UFC, that is simply not the case.
Sorry, they are just not onboard for your anit-UFC crusade.
If they are telling the UFC they can’t use their fighter, the number 1 hw in the world unless the UFC agrees to co-promote an event with them, how is that not taking a stand against the promotional monopoly the UFC enjoys?
You and I both know what you meant in your original statement. You and I both know how you feel about the UFC and your wet dream that Fedor will not sign with them no matter what the offer. As much you would like this to be some sort of spiritual quest based only on principal, it is not. Fedor fights for money, that’s it. He has said this many times. He has said he is not a fan of the sport and does not watch fights or follow other fighters. It’s a job to him.
I am done with this discussion, but by all means continue with your Fedor man crush and UFC hating.
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From a guy who idolizes a dude with a big penis tattooed on his chest
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
One man to blame in UFC-Fedor breakdown [/quote]
LOL at Kevin Iole and the yahoo staff…sometimes they make me wonder if the Fertittas have invested in Yahoo stock.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
LOL at Kevin Iole and the yahoo staff…sometimes they make me wonder if the Fertittas have invested in Yahoo stock.[/quote]
The fact that they have renamed their MMA page “UFC” should tell you everthing you need to know about the Yahoo staffers.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
dhickey wrote:
slimjim wrote:
dhickey wrote:
He’s not taking a stance against anything. They are looking for the best offer, as they should be. They are not going to sign a deal with another promotion for less money (fedor and M1), simply to make stand as you suggest. The UFC has insulted Fedor and M1 several times over the year, yet there they sit at the negotiation table. As much as you would like to make this some sort of personal crusade against the evil UFC, that is simply not the case.
Sorry, they are just not onboard for your anit-UFC crusade.
If they are telling the UFC they can’t use their fighter, the number 1 hw in the world unless the UFC agrees to co-promote an event with them, how is that not taking a stand against the promotional monopoly the UFC enjoys?
You and I both know what you meant in your original statement. You and I both know how you feel about the UFC and your wet dream that Fedor will not sign with them no matter what the offer. As much you would like this to be some sort of spiritual quest based only on principal, it is not. Fedor fights for money, that’s it. He has said this many times. He has said he is not a fan of the sport and does not watch fights or follow other fighters. It’s a job to him.
I am done with this discussion, but by all means continue with your Fedor man crush and UFC hating.
From a guy who idolizes a dude with a big penis tattooed on his chest[/quote]
not sure where you got this. I don’t idolize anyone. I am not 15. Lesnar is not my favorite fighter. Not even in my top 5, and I am partial to wrestlers. Not even my favorite HW.
weak.
This. Is. Fucking. Ridiculous.
STRIKEFORCE!!!
I just lost ten tons of respect for the guy.
Fucking sad.
There are some good fighters in strikeforce a lot of the number two fighters in the world. Melendez, Thomson, Shields, Diaz, Le, Overeem, Rogers, Lawler. Why is it sad?
[quote]Damici wrote:
This. Is. Fucking. Ridiculous.
STRIKEFORCE!!!
I just lost ten tons of respect for the guy.
Fucking sad.
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really? wow.
[quote]Damici wrote:
This. Is. Fucking. Ridiculous.
STRIKEFORCE!!!
I just lost ten tons of respect for the guy.
Fucking sad.
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I have to agree, the best should fight the best. With the level of competition in the ufc compared to strikeforce, I can’t see him holding the number 1 spot for much longer.
Exactly how are the UFC the best, what allows the HWs to claim this in the UFC. Brocks good because he caught Randy, and Rogers still sucks because he caught Arlovski. Sure there are more exciting prospects in the UFC, but the UFC guys are no better than many in strikeforce.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Exactly how are the UFC the best, what allows the HWs to claim this in the UFC. Brocks good because he caught Randy, and Rogers still sucks because he caught Arlovski. Sure there are more exciting prospects in the UFC, but the UFC guys are no better than many in strikeforce.[/quote]
This is just plain retarded.
Care to elaborate.
Do I really need to? The UFC HW division is light years ahead of Strikeforces.
Lesnar
Mir
Couture
Carwin
Velasquez
Dos Santos
Kongo
Arlovski and Rogers lose to all of these guys. Better competition for these guys would be Gonzaga, Hardonk, Cro Cop, and Berry.
Overeem and Werdum make for an intereting match-up with many, but probably lose more than they win. We really haven’t seen Overeem beat anyone impressive in quite awhile. Werdum probably doesn’t get the respect he deserves.
I am not a big rankings guy but just look at the USA Today consensus rankings for HWs.
- Fedor - Strikeforce
- Lesnar - UFC
- Barnett - Sengoku?
- Mir - UFC
- Nog - UFC - probably too high until we see what he does against Couture.
- Couture - UFC
- Carwin - UFC
- Rogers - Strikeforce - this one is a joke. switch him with Werdum at best.
- Arlovski - Strikeforce - not sure how he stays in the top 10?
- Overeem - Strikeforce - Head scratcher as well. I think he is better than this, but he hasn’t beaten anyone of importance for quite awhile.
Great the best fighter in the division gets to fight number 8,9 and 10 even though they are probably at least 3 spots down from that. The UFC is only getting better. Prospects are fighting top compitition on a regular basis now, while the strikeforce champion has fought who? Besides Fedor and a couple of guys that don’t want to be tested on a regular basis, there is the UFC and then the left overs. Guys are not going to consistantly face top competion outside the UFC. No matter how you feel about this, it is a fact of life.
So five fighters in the top ten not in the UFC and Cain, Carwin are unproven, Randy is old as fuck, Mir who beat a sick battered Nog who was close to losing to Herring. So your argument is what yhe only exciting matchup in the UFC is Carwin or Lesnar. Cain has potential but hes not that good yet and his next fight will show that
[quote]drewh wrote:
So five fighters in the top ten not in the UFC and Cain, Carwin are unproven, Randy is old as fuck, Mir who beat a sick battered Nog who was close to losing to Herring. So your argument is what yhe only exciting matchup in the UFC is Carwin or Lesnar. Cain has potential but hes not that good yet and his next fight will show that[/quote]
ok buddy.
No one here really knows what went down behind the scenes, but the bottom line is Fedor bitched out. If he wanted the deal to get done it would have. He didn’t, so it didn’t. Don’t know the specs of his new deal, but if he gets caught just once not only does he lose the respect and admiration [even more so] of mma fans but he loses out on a potential future fortune. The UFC appears to have offered an awful lot, and from here it makes no sense how the deal didn’t get done. This is really disappointing.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
…but if he gets caught just once not only does he lose the respect and admiration [even more so] of mma fans but he loses out on a potential future fortune. [/quote]
If he gets caught…it doesn’t change the facts about his career. Respect and admiration is overrused when a fighter is on top(nuthuggery)…then the meaning of those words are lost when he’s not. People really don’t know what respect and admiration consists of…especially in this sport.
Besides…how does getting caught outside the UFC any different than getting caught while in the UFC?? I’m sure this would be a subjective argument of who he lost to…and how less of a fighter than his previous opponents…etc. He is past his prime…he can’t stay on top forever. But it doesn’t change the dominance he had…unless he goes “Shamrock”…and that isn’t going to happen.
Also,he’s still in a better position than %90 of fighters when it comes to concern of future fortunes. Also consider his status in Russia.
[quote]drewh wrote:
So five fighters in the top ten not in the UFC and Cain, Carwin are unproven, Randy is old as fuck, Mir who beat a sick battered Nog who was close to losing to Herring. So your argument is what yhe only exciting matchup in the UFC is Carwin or Lesnar. Cain has potential but hes not that good yet and his next fight will show that[/quote]
Hmm…I’m actually seeing your angle on this. Those HW rankings are very subjective…fighters are different on different nights…fighter’s get better…fighter’s don’t improve at all,but have good nights…etc,etc. Too many subjective points. The only thing in these rankings that is pretty much uncontested are the top 3. Below that is open…mostly opinion and made up analysis…and favoritism. Anyone can be beat. Those rankings should be called “who’s hot…who’s not.” No bearing on talent whatsoever.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
…but if he gets caught just once not only does he lose the respect and admiration [even more so] of mma fans but he loses out on a potential future fortune.
If he gets caught…it doesn’t change the facts about his career. Respect and admiration is overrused when a fighter is on top(nuthuggery)…then the meaning of those words are lost when he’s not. People really don’t know what respect and admiration consists of…especially in this sport.
Besides…how does getting caught outside the UFC any different than getting caught while in the UFC?? I’m sure this would be a subjective argument of who he lost to…and how less of a fighter than his previous opponents…etc. He is past his prime…he can’t stay on top forever. But it doesn’t change the dominance he had…unless he goes “Shamrock”…and that isn’t going to happen.
Also,he’s still in a better position than %90 of fighters when it comes to concern of future fortunes. Also consider his status in Russia.
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The facts about his career are undeniable and so is his place in history. But, getting caught in an org with a seemingly less talented stable of fighters would raise alot of questions, especially amongst the UFCtarians. The facts are he’s considered the top fighter in the world - maybe the top heavyweight of all time - and he chose to not fight against the best possible competition. That’s odd to me. I don’t remember how old he is off the top of my head, but think it’s early 30’s, and as someone who’s sustained relatively little damage he’s not only not past his prime, he should be entering it. Fighting is probably the ultimate expression of competetive spirit, and the guy chose to fight against lesser competition. As a fan, that’s really disappointing.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
drewh wrote:
So five fighters in the top ten not in the UFC and Cain, Carwin are unproven, Randy is old as fuck, Mir who beat a sick battered Nog who was close to losing to Herring. So your argument is what yhe only exciting matchup in the UFC is Carwin or Lesnar. Cain has potential but hes not that good yet and his next fight will show that
Hmm…I’m actually seeing your angle on this. Those HW rankings are very subjective…fighters are different on different nights…fighter’s get better…fighter’s don’t improve at all,but have good nights…etc,etc. Too many subjective points. The only thing in these rankings that is pretty much uncontested are the top 3. Below that is open…mostly opinion and made up analysis…and favoritism. Anyone can be beat. Those rankings should be called “who’s hot…who’s not.” No bearing on talent whatsoever.[/quote]
To suggest that Fedor will fight just as talented fighters outside the UFC is just plain silly. Rankings aside, just think about the fighters and their skills. I can think of at least 4 fighters that would be more competitive with Fedor than Overeem. Over half a dozen would fair better than Rogers. Werdum, who knows. He’s not exactly consistent.
To suggest that Rogers = Carwin just because their records are similar is silly.
To suggest that Couture would not be competitive of fair better than anyone in Strikeforce because of his age is silly.
To suggest that Mir wouldn’t fair better than anyone in Strikeforce because Nog was sick is silly.
Is all of this subjective, sure. But if you actually consider skills, athletic prowess, and camp, along side record and competition it seems pretty easy to determine which fights would be most interesting. He has a three fight deal. Pick the top three fights you would like to see Fedor in. None are in Strikeforce for me.
We still get to see interesting fights in the HW division. I personally plan to switch from HBO to showtime now. If Fedor wants to fight in the UFC in 2011, he can. None of this is going to ruin MMA by a long stretch, but someone suggesting the UFC doesn’t have much more interesting fights with better fighters is ridiculous to me.
If one is interested in rankings, I don’t see how someone can remain in #1 position by fighting fighters barely in the top 10.