Anyone read on Mercola’s site about the FDA issuing new standards for dietary supplements?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Anyone read on Mercola’s site about the FDA issuing new standards for dietary supplements?[/quote]
Yes, this is all a part of the push by Big Pharma and the politicans they pay for, to keep a stranglehold on the populace. You see right now the only ones that can say their product cures disease is pharmaceuticals. Anyone with a brain knows this to be false but god forbid people learned that the drugs are killing them and that there is a natural solution to every disease.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
… and that there is a natural solution to every disease.[/quote]
Yes. The solution is called death.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
god forbid people learned that the drugs are killing them
Um…hold on there junior. There are plenty of people who depend on various drugs to keep them alive and or mobile. A blanket statement like that is just as ridiculous as stating that all natural supplements are useless.
and that there is a natural solution to every disease.
You and I wish that this were true.
Why don’t you tell me the natural solution for high blood pressure? If there is a proven one I’ve never heard of it. My father is on two different drugs and his bp still climbs on occasion.
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A person’s dependence on a drug does not validate their need for it. What if that person could resolve teh issue without taking any drug? But in some cases like after a transplant or type I diabetes, yes those drugs are necessary. In other cases like high cholesterol, various forms of cancer, acid reflux, etc. no those drugs are not necessary and in fact they do not solve the issue just the symptom.
High blood can come from many sources as you may know. Let’s just say for arguments sake, we had addressed all dietary concerns and teh perosn was on an exercise program. There could be kidney issues driving the blood pressure up. There could be undiagnosed chronic dental infections reflexing to and dumping infection to the circulatory tree. There could be other types of infection like nanobacteria in the arterial system that drive the pressure up.
All of these factors can and have been addressed and permanently fixed with no further need for therapy without the use of drugs.
BTW your father’s case doesn’t help validate your side of this issue you realize, right?
[quote]kroby wrote:
storey420 wrote:
… and that there is a natural solution to every disease.
Yes. The solution is called death.[/quote]
Such a sad and uninformed perspective. Are you a pharmaceutical rep by chance?
The FDA should be involved to make sure the supplements are what the manufacturers claim it is. They should also make sure manufacturers don’t make false claims.
Some oversight is needed. Too much is bad. I have no idea where the latest proposal fits.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The FDA should be involved to make sure the supplements are what the manufacturers claim it is. They should also make sure manufacturers don’t make false claims.
Some oversight is needed. Too much is bad. I have no idea where the latest proposal fits.
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Hey Zap,
Here is an insightful piece into the reality of what is happening. As someone that works in the field of alternative medicine/ nutrition, I can tell you that there is an effort to severely restrict nutrient availability. There are many books on the subject and many more sites with no agenda other than to inform to learn more.
"By Byron J. Richards, CCN
June 27, 2007
The FDA, emboldened by its transformation into a drug company, has embarked upon an anti-American plan of interfering with business and intentionally eliminating various dietary supplement companies from the market. The FDA announcement came on Friday, June 22, 2007 under the guise of a final rule for dietary supplement good manufacturing practices (CGMPs). Within this 800 page rule the FDA states, �??We find that this final rule will have a significant economic impact on a substantial number of small entities… Establishments with above average costs, and even establishments with average costs, could be hard pressed to continue to operate. Some of these may decide it is too costly and either change product lines or go out of business… 140 very small [less than 20 employees] and 32 small dietary supplement manufacturers [less than 500 employees] will be at risk of going out of business… costs per establishment are proportionally higher for very small than for large establishments…The regulatory costs of this final rule will also discourage new small businesses from entering the industry.�??
This FDA rule will directly raise the price of dietary supplements for all consumers. The FDA acknowledges this and says �??We expect that the majority of these costs will be borne by consumers of dietary supplements, who will likely respond to the increase in prices by reducing consumption.�?? Thus, the FDA is intentionally seeking to shrink the size of the dietary supplement industry and reduce the influence of safe and effective options to improve the dreadful trend in the health of Americans. The goal is to leave toxic drugs as the primary health option.
Independent analysis of this FDA rule has placed cost of compliance at 10 fold what the FDA estimates with as many as 50% of small companies unable to comply.
The gutless cowards of Congress, a majority of whom are on the Big Pharma payroll or will be on it once they leave Congress, have delegated their lawmaking powers granted by the U.S. Constitution to a bunch of Big Pharma-friendly unelected bureaucrats at the FDA, who are in turn using this power to undermine free commerce and help Big Pharma eliminate competition from the market. This is the behavior of a government in tyranny, inviting a revolution by the people. It is noteworthy that fascist governments of the past have eliminated health freedom and health options as a necessary condition to enslave and brainwash a population. Congress has delegated its responsibility to the people to such an extent that over half the laws in this country are now concocted by unelected bureaucrats with vested interests.
A Vehicle for Unprecedented Harassment
Any company that can afford to comply with the costs and regulations of this new FDA rule can be targeted and eliminated at will by the FDA. In essence, the FDA is seeking to make the dietary supplement industry document every phase of production, including expensive testing at multiple points in the production process. Massive recordkeeping will be required, including all customer complaints and returns for any reason! This is utterly draconian and unnecessary interference and burden to free commerce. It is completely Anti-American. No doubt, the FDA will impose user fees as an additional charge so that FDA agents will have the funding required to enforce the regulations. Under the new rule any flaw in bookkeeping can result in a company�??s products being declared adulterated, allowing the FDA to remove them from the market even though nothing is wrong with them! A company can then be forced out of business because they won�??t be able to sell any products to raise the money to comply. The rules are so complex and vague that the FDA can selectively target any company it chooses, even those attempting to comply in good faith.
The FDA is doing this under the pretense of improved consumer safety. Consumer safety could readily be guaranteed by simply having all companies test their final products for purity and potency. Instead of this simple approach the FDA has gone to the extreme of burdening the dietary supplement industry with regulations in excess of the drug industry! Supplements are foods, not drugs. The food industry couldn�??t begin to comply with these FDA rules, even though food contamination is far more dangerous to health than dietary supplements.
The FDA intends to phase this rule in over the next three years. This means that within five years half the industry and many of the health options individuals rely on will either be gone or significantly more expensive.
Even more chilling is that forces within the dietary supplement industry itself are in no small part responsible for this FDA final rule.
Trade Groups and their Big Companies Turn on America
The Natural Products Association (formerly the National Nutritional Food Association �?? NNFA) and the Council for Responsible Nutrition (CRN) have been instrumental in forcing these drug-like rules on dietary supplements. These globalist organizations are selling out America, destroying American jobs, undermining the U.S. Constitution, and working in conjunction with pharmaceutical companies to usher in Codex and the New World Order. Consumers of dietary supplements should learn who these companies are before buying their products and helping to inadvertently fund the destruction of health freedom in this country.
When DSHEA was passed in 1994 part of that law required the FDA to establish current good manufacturing practices (CGMPs) for the dietary supplement industry. During a period of FDA outreach to the industry the FDA was surprised to learn that CRN and NPA were in favor of drug-like CGMPs for the dietary supplement industry. These trade groups, working closely with Senators Orin Hatch (R-UT) and Tom Harkin (D-IA), have intentionally taken the supplement industry down a slippery slope. It is noteworthy that Hatch takes in more money from Big Pharma than he does from dietary supplement companies. Not only is Hatch a big supporter of the Medicare Part D drug rip off of Americans he has saved Big Pharma billions by protecting them from generic competition, as he is currently attempting to do with his legislation for new biologic drugs. Hatch also has a son working for NPA and another son that lobbies for NPA and the dietary supplement industry. When Hatch leaves the Senate he will be first in line for a six or seven figure Big Pharma salary.
The CRN has been taken over by multinational drug and food companies. Key players are the nutritional divisions of Bayer, BASF, Cargill, Monsanto, Wyeth, and Archer Daniels Midland. Nutrition companies that participate are in most cases owned by pharmaceutical companies, heavily invested in pharmaceutical companies, or jockeying for position in the international market as part of the New World Order. Key names include Mannatech, Shaklee, Herbalife, GNLD International, The Vitamin Shoppe, and GNC. These companies are glad to eliminate competition from small companies and start up ventures.
Carrying on the general theme of Big Pharma ownership and a globalist agenda are the companies that control the NPA. One need only look at the new NPA China board to understand who these key players are. Jarrow Formulas, Now Foods, GNC, and Herbalife top the list. At the end of 2006 Jarrow and Now helped lead the charge with Senators Hatch and Harkin to burden the dietary supplement industry with bizarre Adverse Event Reporting legislation (AER) which insisted that dietary supplement companies keep extensive records on any type of consumer complaint. Aspects of this AER law are now implemented in the FDA final rule on CGMPs. Of course, NPA was quick to offer expensive training to its members to indoctrinate them into how to comply with the rules that NPA, working on behalf of the FDA, just forced on its own members. Are their member companies really this stupid? Or are they all working together? I would recommend that any NPA member that believes itself to be a true American company that values our constitution immediately withdraw from NPA membership �?? consumers will be looking to see who you are.
The picture is now crystal clear for any person who cares to look. Numerous dietary supplement companies are anti-American and actively selling out our country and our constitution, working hand-in-glove with the FDA and Big Pharma. The majority of such companies can be found as members of CRN and NPA. It will be up to the American consumer to save the dietary industry from itself and preserve their own access to safe and effective natural health remedies. This is a relatively simple task. Quit buying products from or quit being a distributor in these fascist organizations. Support the small companies that are the backbone of America, otherwise they will soon be extinct.
Update on S.1082 Threat to Dietary Supplements
Many of you have been following the extreme threat to dietary supplements posed by S.1082. Similar legislation has now cleared the House Energy and Commerce Committee and is headed for the floor of the House in the next week or two. The House version of this bill now contains the �??food and food ingredients�?? language that the FDA can use to apply drug-related risk/benefit analysis to dietary supplements and have them removed from the market at their whim.
It is noteworthy that both CRN and NPA have posted on their websites information stating that S.1082 is not a threat to dietary supplements. Both organizations are flat out wrong. They cite a colloquy by Hatch, Harkin, Kennedy, and Enzi as their evidence. This colloquy was a direct result of our grassroots campaign to alert the American consumer to this major threat. In no way does this colloquy protect dietary supplements. UNTIL THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL IS CHANGED THE THREAT EXISTS AND IS VERY REAL.
CRN and NPA also tell their members that the Codex initiative to scare consumers into thinking that dietary supplements are unsafe above miniscule amounts and need to be regulated by international laws is also no big deal. It is clear that CRN and NPA, again working hand-in-glove with the FDA, are a major part of the problem and are actively engaged in forwarding the globalist agenda of the New World Order. While pretending to represent the dietary supplement industry these organizations are in fact shooting the industry in the back and undermining health options for Americans.
The FDA is Out of Control
The FDA is a tyrannical organization that is now emboldened and completely out of control. It is not surprising that the FDA is seeking to eliminate competition to Big Pharma, they have been doing that for much of the past century. What is surprising is that they are openly stating in their final rule a plan that directly eliminates small businesses from existence. This fascist organization believes itself to be above the rule of law and is actively working against America and the rights of Americans. It must be stopped.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
A person’s dependence on a drug does not validate their need for it.
But, you are the one who is laboring under a false assumption. The fact that they are on the drug does not mean that they DON’T need it. And what would you say to the man who are on such medicine and have a better quality of life because of it?
What if that person could resolve teh issue without taking any drug? But in some cases like after a transplant or type I diabetes, yes those drugs are necessary. In other cases like high cholesterol, various forms of cancer, acid reflux, etc. no those drugs are not necessary and in fact they do not solve the issue just the symptom.
Did I say that every drug was “good?” It’s you who made the blanket statement that such drugs are not needed. And that’s so much bologna.
The fact is some drugs are needed and if they were not available more people would be dying and more would be bed ridden.
High blood can come from many sources as you may know. Let’s just say for arguments sake, we had addressed all dietary concerns and teh perosn was on an exercise program. There could be kidney issues driving the blood pressure up. There could be undiagnosed chronic dental infections reflexing to and dumping infection to the circulatory tree. There could be other types of infection like nanobacteria in the arterial system that drive the pressure up.
All of these factors can and have been addressed and permanently fixed with no further need for therapy without the use of drugs.
BTW your father’s case doesn’t help validate your side of this issue you realize, right?
I realize that there is no natural cure for high blood pressure. I also realize that if there were a natural cure people would actually be taking it.
I also realize that you cannot prove that there is any sort of natural cure for high blood pressure, or any other disease for that matter. You can keep posting but it adds up to nothing, you don’t have the proof.
I think you’ve been reading those wacky health books by the guys who take up space on the tube in the form of infomercials.
Did you ever stop to think that they have just as much a financial agenda as the drug companies?
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I work with thousands of practitioners of all disciplines across the country that have used nutrition and other “alternative” therapies to heal everything from cancer to candida. The problem is that there is no “cure” for blood pressure as in “here takes this, it cures high blood pressure” it takes work on the part of that individual to clear infections, detoxify the body, alkanalize the pH, restore optimal digestion, etc. That is the problem with pharmaceutical medicine in general. It has duped people into thinking there’s a pill to take for everything.
Sorry but if your blood pressure is high you may need to address several issues in the body to include digestion, teeth, detox organ health, etc. It’s no quck fix. Then again even drug manufacturers won’t tell you they cured the blood pressure. They have just artificially lowered it. If you are so sure there is no natural cure for blood pressure then I am truly sorry for you and your family and I hope you don’t have children.
And yes I do have the proof. I live it every day, I travel the country and meet with doctors and other healthcare providers and witness firsthand their success cases. I could piont you in some gret directions to confirm the proof for yourself. I don’t think you are interested in that though Mick. Judging by what I have seen of your posts thus far you seem to be the “I just want to piss in everyone’s corn flakes” kind of guy.
Oh and for those wacky people out there spreading this. Check into Kevin Trudeau. He gives all of his proceeds from any book slaes to charities, 100%. He also has no ties to any company anymore because he realized that people like yourself would instantly discredit him for that. I have no arguments that there is a lot of crap out there as far as natural health but that doesn’t even compare to the fraud and death perpetuated by big pharma at the cost of hundreds of thousands of American lives.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Oh and for those wacky people out there spreading this. Check into Kevin Trudeau. He gives all of his proceeds from any book slaes to charities, 100%. He also has no ties to any company anymore because he realized that people like yourself would instantly discredit him for that. [/quote]
Too funny.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
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Sorry. I tried to read your article, but the sound of hippie drowned it out.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The FDA should be involved to make sure the supplements are what the manufacturers claim it is. They should also make sure manufacturers don’t make false claims.
Some oversight is needed. Too much is bad. I have no idea where the latest proposal fits.
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I have no idea where it fits right now - but do you wanna make a bet where it winds up fitting after the bureaucrats get through fatteing up the bullshit, and slimming down the intent?
[quote]nephorm wrote:
storey420 wrote:
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Sorry. I tried to read your article, but the sound of hippie drowned it out.[/quote]
Wow thats pretty lame from you. Usually you have a pretty keen insight on the posts and can even decipher through BB’s long posts. Yeah I guess anyone that doesn’t believe drugs are the only answer is just a hippie douchebag. Good luck with your health.
[quote]doogie wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Oh and for those wacky people out there spreading this. Check into Kevin Trudeau. He gives all of his proceeds from any book slaes to charities, 100%. He also has no ties to any company anymore because he realized that people like yourself would instantly discredit him for that.
Too funny.[/quote]
I know, I know Kevin Trudeau instantly brings out the groans but he does help disseminate a lot of good info.
BTW I finally saw that show “Wondershowzen” is that where your avatar is from? Now that is too funny.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
I know, I know Kevin Trudeau instantly brings out the groans but he does help disseminate a lot of good info.[/quote]
I wish they’d stop throwing him in jail for fraud so that he can continue helping people out of the goodness of his heart.
Smear pieces like this one: http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index.html make me sick. Luckily, I’ve downloaded all his books off the internet (I gave to charity myself to save him the extra work) and he has a great natural cure for smear-piece-sickness.
[quote]pookie wrote:
storey420 wrote:
I know, I know Kevin Trudeau instantly brings out the groans but he does help disseminate a lot of good info.
I wish they’d stop throwing him in jail for fraud so that he can continue helping people out of the goodness of his heart.
Smear pieces like this one: http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2005/07/29/trudeau/index.html make me sick. Luckily, I’ve downloaded all his books off the internet (I gave to charity myself to save him the extra work) and he has a great natural cure for smear-piece-sickness.
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That is a good link. I should clarify, I think he does a good job of disseminating information but also does so with a lot of baggage of his own doing. Here is a link for you guys that feel that this is all hippie shit. Maybe those drug company guys really do care about your health first.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_bi_ge/diabetes_drug
Page 11 of More Natural “Cures” Revealed:
As a member of this secret society I have sat in private meetings with the heads of state from countries around the world. I have attended secret international business meetings where business leaders, politicians, and media moguls coerce together to create the new world order with global control over individual people everywhere. I have been shown and have seen with my own eyes secret government and corporate documents. I have heard with my own ears how BigPharma, the food industry, and the oil industry are working together with governments and media outlets around the world. I have been in over sixty countries, yet there are no stamps of evidence in any of my passports. I have been to Area 51 in Nevada. (This top secret military installation is still denied to exist by the U.S. government.) This is where much of our technology has been developed. Area 51 houses most extraterrestrial artifacts, including a working spacecraft and dead alien bodies. I’ve seen these things with my own two eyes. As a member of this secret society I was used in covert operations around the world.