[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I hope my boy, Rey Maualuga from the Bengals drops the hammer on his ass.[/quote]
x fuckin 2
Rey is a beast.
Ya’ll want to start fining blockers now? What are ya’ll trying to do to football?
Tell that damn defender to get his head on a damn swivel. Any high school player and up playing an inside LS or S should know that if a ball carrier is running outside there is a blocker (WR) coming from that direction. It is just football. It would have been better for the defender if he stayed high on the block but I guarantee you Farve was not trying to go that low. That happens all the time. Players feel that they will need to be lower on a block and it ends up being too low.
The guy’s carrer is not over because of that hit. Actually maybe it will be jumpstarted now that all you fans across the nation know his name. I am from Houston and I don’t know his name.
As long as the Viking RB and WRs stay healthy things will be easier for Farve.
Whoever said he hit him in the hip was 100% right on. He hit him square in the hip, not the knee, because of the way the players were moving, favre fell into his knee after the hit, which is why the defender is not seriously hurt, the energy of the block went into his hip, not his knee. Blocking does take some timing.
I think favre really was trying to go between the hip and the shoulder, staying low enough to knock him down. The only problem is that he misjudged the speed and distance of the incoming player. He probably got nervous and jumped the gun, causing him to come in lower than he intended to.
It is pretty clear he was nervous, he tunred his head and closed his eyes. He probably thought just seconds before the block was coming, “oh shit here goes my season.”
The real idiot here is Childress, or whoever called this fucking play. If you are going to do a wildcat with favre out wide, you run it up the middle, or away from favre, not to his direction, where he is the only blocker. Horrible, horrible, horrible, play call. You guys need to really get off the hate wagon, seriously is your life that sad that you can hate on a guy this much, you all sound like little girls. Did Becky talk about you again at lunch?
V
[quote]malonetd wrote:
artw wrote:
Here are all the QB’s who had better years than him last year and will probably have better years this year. Forgive me if I forget a few.
Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Cassel, Warner, Orton, E. Manning, McNabb, Flacco, Rodgers, Delhomme, Ryan, Brees, Pennington, Collins, Romo, shit you could even throw Shaun Hill in there. Plus, Brady’s back. Favre isn’t even in the top half of the league’s QBs. He’s been a second-tier QB for about five or six years now, with the exception of 2007.
Please tell me what system you are using to rate these “better” seasons.[/quote]
QB rating and TD to interception ratio. Favre had a 1:1 ratio last year and ranked 20th in the league in passer rating, behind every QB I listed except for Roethlisberger (who was a point or two behind him but had a way better ratio of TDs to picks). Every one of those QB’s in front of him had a better TD to pick ratio. Plus he only won 7 games and went into the shitter as the season wore on. Minnesota can look forward to more of the same this year. 22 TDs, 22 picks and an 80 passer rating and maybe 9 wins at most.
Please if your a Farve fan then act like he spent 20 years in the NFL because he’s smart and can play and hopefully learned something. If that’s the case he would know better than to hit like that, and knows how to hit and make it look like an above the knee hit. Which case it would be intentional.
If your not a Farve fan you can say that it wasn’t intentional and he should at least be fined, but just a bad hit.
If your neither and look at that play for what it is, it was pretty damn intentional.
[quote]artw wrote:
malonetd wrote:
artw wrote:
Here are all the QB’s who had better years than him last year and will probably have better years this year. Forgive me if I forget a few.
Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Cassel, Warner, Orton, E. Manning, McNabb, Flacco, Rodgers, Delhomme, Ryan, Brees, Pennington, Collins, Romo, shit you could even throw Shaun Hill in there. Plus, Brady’s back. Favre isn’t even in the top half of the league’s QBs. He’s been a second-tier QB for about five or six years now, with the exception of 2007.
Please tell me what system you are using to rate these “better” seasons.
QB rating and TD to interception ratio. Favre had a 1:1 ratio last year and ranked 20th in the league in passer rating, behind every QB I listed except for Roethlisberger (who was a point or two behind him but had a way better ratio of TDs to picks). Every one of those QB’s in front of him had a better TD to pick ratio. Plus he only won 7 games and went into the shitter as the season wore on. Minnesota can look forward to more of the same this year. 22 TDs, 22 picks and an 80 passer rating and maybe 9 wins at most.[/quote]
You do realize the jets sucked before favre, and needed him to win every game for them? And the Vikes have been good, but only needed more from the QB position. Favre is not going to be put into a position this year where he needs to throw the hell out of the ball late in games to win them. AP and the Vikes stout D are going to keep games close and low scoring, so Favre will rellay only have to get the ball to his playmakers like Harvin, Taylor and AP on handoffs and short dump plays, and to his TE on mid routes, and to berrian once in a while on a deep route. I think he will have a much better season than last year, and I expect the vikes to make a good playoff run.
V
That’s ridiculous. I had respect for him up until he “retired” however many times.
The block was bullshit and he should definitely get fined for it.
That guy may always have a bum knee because of favre’s stupid ass.
[quote]ron-e wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
I hope my boy, Rey Maualuga from the Bengals drops the hammer on his ass.
x fuckin 2
Rey is a beast.[/quote]
I am excited to see how this guy develops, he could be unstoppable. There are only a few times where I came across a true warrior beast, and he is one of those kind of guys. Every time he hits you, he tries to knock your head off.
Favre is a piece of shit after watching this play, any benefit of the doubt I might have had for him is now gone.
Brett Favre apologized for the block…it wasn’t intentional. He intentionally hit the guy in the hip/midsection. Regardless if he’s been in the league for 100 years,he’s a QB…not a blocker. He didn’t try to end the guy’s career…he was just careless. It happens…it’s football.
If you want to talk about a douche,Brandon Marshall has plenty of merit…more so than Favre at this moment.
[quote]artw wrote:
malonetd wrote:
artw wrote:
Here are all the QB’s who had better years than him last year and will probably have better years this year. Forgive me if I forget a few.
Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Cassel, Warner, Orton, E. Manning, McNabb, Flacco, Rodgers, Delhomme, Ryan, Brees, Pennington, Collins, Romo, shit you could even throw Shaun Hill in there. Plus, Brady’s back. Favre isn’t even in the top half of the league’s QBs. He’s been a second-tier QB for about five or six years now, with the exception of 2007.
Please tell me what system you are using to rate these “better” seasons.
QB rating and TD to interception ratio. Favre had a 1:1 ratio last year and ranked 20th in the league in passer rating, behind every QB I listed except for Roethlisberger (who was a point or two behind him but had a way better ratio of TDs to picks). Every one of those QB’s in front of him had a better TD to pick ratio. Plus he only won 7 games and went into the shitter as the season wore on. Minnesota can look forward to more of the same this year. 22 TDs, 22 picks and an 80 passer rating and maybe 9 wins at most.[/quote]
First, I don’t think passer rating alone can be used to determine the quality of a season. I don’t think even adding the TD-INT ratio paints a complete picture. Using only those two stats, Favre and Roethlisberger are almost equal. Favre had a slightly better qb rating – 81.0 to 80.1 – and Roethlisberger had a slightly better (not “way batter”) ratio – 17-15 to 22-22. The difference is that Big Ben won a Superbowl and Favre missed the playoffs. But you can’t tell that from your stats.
What about things like win-loss record and improvement over previous season?
Playing in one of the tougher divisions in the league, the Jets won 9 games last year – a 5-game improvement over the previous year. Those 9 wins are also more than or equal to the following QB’s from your list: Rivers, Warner, Orton, McNabb, Rodgers, Brees, and Romo.
The nosedive towards the end of the season is a valid criticism. Sure he was playing with a biceps injury, but would he have sat out and ended his streak even if he did know about it?
Overall, I tend to think his season as a Jet was a mild success. He doubled their win total and contended for a playoff spot. I don’t see how people could have realistically asked for much more. The problem is that the Favre and the Jets got off to a fairly hot start. He had that early 6-touchdown game and then the back-to-back victories over New England and Tennessee. Suddenly people expected much more from the oldest starting quarterback in the league. People started thinking Superbowl.
Taking all this into consideration in regards to last season, I think only Roethlisberger, Cassel, Warner, Flacco, Ryan, Pennington, and Collins had overall better seasons last year.
I’m pretty sure some here would fellate Favre given the opportunity.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
artw wrote:
malonetd wrote:
artw wrote:
Here are all the QB’s who had better years than him last year and will probably have better years this year. Forgive me if I forget a few.
Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Cassel, Warner, Orton, E. Manning, McNabb, Flacco, Rodgers, Delhomme, Ryan, Brees, Pennington, Collins, Romo, shit you could even throw Shaun Hill in there. Plus, Brady’s back. Favre isn’t even in the top half of the league’s QBs. He’s been a second-tier QB for about five or six years now, with the exception of 2007.
Please tell me what system you are using to rate these “better” seasons.
QB rating and TD to interception ratio. Favre had a 1:1 ratio last year and ranked 20th in the league in passer rating, behind every QB I listed except for Roethlisberger (who was a point or two behind him but had a way better ratio of TDs to picks). Every one of those QB’s in front of him had a better TD to pick ratio. Plus he only won 7 games and went into the shitter as the season wore on. Minnesota can look forward to more of the same this year. 22 TDs, 22 picks and an 80 passer rating and maybe 9 wins at most.
First, I don’t think passer rating alone can be used to determine the quality of a season. I don’t think even adding the TD-INT ratio paints a complete picture. Using only those two stats, Favre and Roethlisberger are almost equal. Favre had a slightly better qb rating – 81.0 to 80.1 – and Roethlisberger had a slightly better (not “way batter”) ratio – 17-15 to 22-22. The difference is that Big Ben won a Superbowl and Favre missed the playoffs. But you can’t tell that from your stats.
What about things like win-loss record and improvement over previous season?
Playing in one of the tougher divisions in the league, the Jets won 9 games last year – a 5-game improvement over the previous year. Those 9 wins are also more than or equal to the following QB’s from your list: Rivers, Warner, Orton, McNabb, Rodgers, Brees, and Romo.
The nosedive towards the end of the season is a valid criticism. Sure he was playing with a biceps injury, but would he have sat out and ended his streak even if he did know about it?
Overall, I tend to think his season as a Jet was a mild success. He doubled their win total and contended for a playoff spot. I don’t see how people could have realistically asked for much more. The problem is that the Favre and the Jets got off to a fairly hot start. He had that early 6-touchdown game and then the back-to-back victories over New England and Tennessee. Suddenly people expected much more from the oldest starting quarterback in the league. People started thinking Superbowl.
Taking all this into consideration in regards to last season, I think only Roethlisberger, Cassel, Warner, Flacco, Ryan, Pennington, and Collins had overall better seasons last year.[/quote]
Might want to include Brees in there too. Oh and Rodgers and Rivers were pretty much a resounding success also.
V
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
He hit him in the waist/thigh. Didn’t even hit him in the damn knee, plus his knee is fine. Quit your whining. [/quote]
Waist? I don’t know what you’re looking at. He was going at Wilson’s knees. Cheap shot! It does appear Wilson will be OK, but that doesn’t change the fact that Farve was delivering a bullshit cheap shot. He had every chance to deliver an ear-hole shot that would have been perfectly legal and as effective. Wilson was defenseless. Farve would have been lauded as an old-school hard-ass player (an image he’s always tried to craft) if he’d done the Shoulder-to-the-ear-hole-blast that would have been just as easy and a posterizing highlight film clip. Instead, he wimped-out and dove at the knees, which is illegal, (Farve’s aware of the rules) and could have been a career-ender for Wilson.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Whoever said he hit him in the hip was 100% right on. He hit him square in the hip, not the knee, because of the way the players were moving, favre fell into his knee after the hit, which is why the defender is not seriously hurt, the energy of the block went into his hip, not his knee. Blocking does take some timing.
I think favre really was trying to go between the hip and the shoulder, staying low enough to knock him down. The only problem is that he misjudged the speed and distance of the incoming player. He probably got nervous and jumped the gun, causing him to come in lower than he intended to.
It is pretty clear he was nervous, he tunred his head and closed his eyes. He probably thought just seconds before the block was coming, “oh shit here goes my season.”
The real idiot here is Childress, or whoever called this fucking play. If you are going to do a wildcat with favre out wide, you run it up the middle, or away from favre, not to his direction, where he is the only blocker. Horrible, horrible, horrible, play call. You guys need to really get off the hate wagon, seriously is your life that sad that you can hate on a guy this much, you all sound like little girls. Did Becky talk about you again at lunch?
V[/quote]
I agree with the idiot play-call observation. But be objective, and look close. Farve was diving at the knees; when lots of other options were available. He chose the illegal, and high-risk option. High-risk to Wilson’s knees that is.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Might want to include Brees in there too. Oh and Rodgers and Rivers were pretty much a resounding success also.
V[/quote]
I didn’t include Rivers, or the Mannings for that matter, because they are on teams thinking Superbowl. Rodgers is a tough call. His individual stats were decent, but a 6-10 record has to be a disappointment.
Brees I guess could have been included, but again, for a team that went to the NFC Championship game the year before, it has to be a let down to not even make the playoffs. Brees himself said he would gladly trade his stats for a championship.
None of these guys had bad years, I just don’t think you can absolutely say their seasons were definitely better than Favre’s.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Brett Favre apologized for the block…it wasn’t intentional. He intentionally hit the guy in the hip/midsection. Regardless if he’s been in the league for 100 years,he’s a QB…not a blocker. He didn’t try to end the guy’s career…he was just careless. It happens…it’s football.
If you want to talk about a douche,Brandon Marshall has plenty of merit…more so than Favre at this moment.[/quote]
There is an unspoken rule that when you do a crack-back block (which Favre was doing), you do NOT go low on the guy for this very reason. Favre also knows that he isn’t shit against a corner or linebacker so he cannot go head up against any of these guys. He would have been better off getting a guy in the ear hole than going so low.
It might not have been intentional, I think with as many years as he has been in the league he should know better. I also fault the coach for designing a play that has your starting QB lining up as a WR and giving a crack-back block. It’s a great way to dislocate a shoulder with relative ease.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Brett Favre apologized for the block…it wasn’t intentional. He intentionally hit the guy in the hip/midsection. Regardless if he’s been in the league for 100 years,he’s a QB…not a blocker. He didn’t try to end the guy’s career…he was just careless. It happens…it’s football.
If you want to talk about a douche,Brandon Marshall has plenty of merit…more so than Favre at this moment.[/quote]
True because all football players make sure to tell the media in press releases that they didn’t mean to intentionally hurt the other guy. I mean who would ever get mad in a football game and lose their temper for a few minutes.
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
I’m pretty sure some here would fellate Favre given the opportunity. [/quote]
lol
Im sorry, but that looks like every block that every QB makes every freaking year. I feel like ive heard Favre get praises for being “tough” for doing that very thing a thousand times.
Any coach who lines up his QB as a WR and orders a crack back should be fired on the spot. QB’s are often the biggest pussies on the field, next to maybe the kicker. My old punter was the shit, he benched over 400 and was often known for laying people out when he hit them.