Fat, Out Of Shape, Cops!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Of course they’re fighting it. The average cop I see around here has a waist closing in on 50" and enjoys every free food perk of the job. I didn’t know buttons on a shirt could be that strong. Clearly they are also made of Kevlar.

If they truly cracked down on the overweight ones, the force population would drop by 80%.

I noticed you attached a picture of a nyc police officer. I may be mistaken but i thought you were from out west?(could be wrong here, if so i apologize and disregard this post). The only reason i bring this point up, is because your post presents the impression that the average cop you see with the 50inch waist is a nyc officer.

I just think thats a little misleading, especially b/c i hope to be one of the more fit cops patrolling this great city come january!

That was the first pic that popped up when I typed “fat cop” into google. I’ve never been to New York.[/quote]

You should go someday. It is an awesome city.

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[quote]Bootsie wrote:
Coldiron wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
Relax, its called being proud of your city. No one wants the one picture stereotyping fat cops to be of the city they plan on working in. maybe it was just misleading to me, if so, my bad. Other than that, hoosier daddy, your right there are alot of fat cops in nyc, i guess thats a byproduct of having over 47k cops.

other than that, i agree its a disgrace to see fat cops out there who dont take pride in their appearance or the badge they wear.

Bootsie,

Vindicated! I take back my prior comment. But, your screen name is still freakin’ me out.

haha fair enough. I picked it when i was still in high school and my favorite college basketball player was bootsie thornton of St. Johns. too bad he didnt go anywhere so no ones ever heard of him[/quote]

You can feel better… I’ve heard of him… but then again, it wasn’t anything good for the Johnies. :wink:

GO HUSKIES!

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I agree that there needs to be regular testing of police. My regional police department isn’t too bad but I have seen some pretty pathetic officers around. I am in the process of applying all over and can say for certain that I will never be one of the fatasses you guys are talking about.

In my Province there is a standard test that must be passed before you can even apply to any police service. 95% of the police services accept the test as sufficient, which it isn’t by any stretch. When I took it i was recovering from a pretty bad hamstring injury and passed easily.

The services that don’t accept it have way higher standards that I would probably have a hard time meeting even now.

Without any regular testing though, it all comes down to the individual and why they are doing the job. If they’re just in it for the paycheque they’ll get fat and lazy. If however,they really want to be a cop for the right reasons, to put bad people in jail, they’ll stay in shape. These incidently, are also the ones that are on SWAT and ESU’s which is where I plan to be.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
Coldiron wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
Relax, its called being proud of your city. No one wants the one picture stereotyping fat cops to be of the city they plan on working in. maybe it was just misleading to me, if so, my bad. Other than that, hoosier daddy, your right there are alot of fat cops in nyc, i guess thats a byproduct of having over 47k cops.

other than that, i agree its a disgrace to see fat cops out there who dont take pride in their appearance or the badge they wear.

Bootsie,

Vindicated! I take back my prior comment. But, your screen name is still freakin’ me out.

haha fair enough. I picked it when i was still in high school and my favorite college basketball player was bootsie thornton of St. Johns. too bad he didnt go anywhere so no ones ever heard of him

You can feel better… I’ve heard of him… but then again, it wasn’t anything good for the Johnies. :wink:

GO HUSKIES![/quote]

HIJACK
haha how quickly you forget bootsie leading the storm to the 2000 big east championship, over was it uconn?
thats all i have, considering st johns has done nothing since.
Hijack over

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[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
Every time I read a post by a police officer on these forums, I cringe. I honestly cry a little bit inside, and then I remember why it is that some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.

My issues: The moron blaming obesity on liberals. Wow, way to totally embarass yourself. Where’s my grain farmers at? The red states, chump.
The guy taking the MAJOR issue at a picture of a fat officer incidentally being a new york police officer. Seriously, I thought that was a joke post at first.
The guy who claims everyone in the marine corps can run a 5k under 18, do 20 pullups, and 100 situps in 2 minutes. Yes, because our marine corps is breeding supermen. [/quote]

Hey Lobo, here’s the moron again… Facts are facts, dude. Once upon a time (up until the late 70’s) everyone in my Department ran a Bi-annual PFT. Local government changed and decided it was too “militant” and unfair to some of the less physically gifted Officers. It’s actually still in the Dept. manual, it’s just not enforced because management knows the City would not back them. We also have a manual section that allows Dept. employees to be forced to go on diets or lose field certification. It is also not enforced (no surprise).

Now in no way am I looking to “re-militarize” a civilian department (they should be seperate), but in regards to physical standards, I beleive that tax paying citizens deserve an appropriate level of professionalism. That should include physical standards. We have to qualify with our guns, why not our bodies?

When Officers are not physically able to do their jobs, everybody loses. Personal accountability first, and if they don’t get the message, a Dept. mandated system of accountability. That’s all I’m sayin’!

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Jeremy,

Awesome post, brother. I feel the same way. Sometimes I just want to run out of my department as fast as I can and see if I can get a job with Blackwater or some other such outfit.

The key word in your post is “warrior”. The law enforcement profession is supposed to be manned by warriors. Ultimately, that is what we are paid for. We were never intended to close budget gaps with ticket revenue. We were never intended to solve every little bullshit problem two alleged adults can get themselves into. We certainly were never intended to be a dumping ground for every schmuck who saw the good coin and benefits that go with police work and weasled his way in because of who his daddy knows.

The reason cops are mocked is because this profession has been distorted and perverted by political forces that dont even understand our true function…maintaing order and defending the citizenry. That disgusting piece of shit with a chicken leg in her mouth on the 1st page of posts cant defend anything. If I could change it somehow, I would. I would start with giving pink slips to about 70% of the people I work with and then starting over.

Sadly, we’re stuck with things the way they are. The best you can do is make sure you control the one thing you can, your own professionalism.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

That was the first pic that popped up when I typed “fat cop” into google. I’ve never been to New York.

You should go someday. It is an awesome city.[/quote]

It is the greatest of cities :wink:

Everyone should go there once.

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[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
Every time I read a post by a police officer on these forums, I cringe. I honestly cry a little bit inside, and then I remember why it is that some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.

My issues: The moron blaming obesity on liberals. Wow, way to totally embarass yourself. Where’s my grain farmers at? The red states, chump.[/quote]

Learn to read, you moron! He’s blaming it on local government, who just happen to be liberals. And yes, there is a pattern forming as to who keeps dropping the standards.

Please enlighten us all as to why you think “some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.”

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[quote]Bootsie wrote:
christine wrote:
BSims wrote:

its safe a bet that this “institute” placed alot more emphasis on endurance running then lets say pullups, pushups or strength tests. I personally could care less if a female could run 6 miles in a faster time then me, as long as i was stronger and faster in sprints.

and if im wrong, then god help the males in that department…[/quote]

What happens then when you have to chase a perp? Do you depend upon your female partner who can potentially run for a longer distance.

A cop should be both strong and fast.

BTW, the sky in my world is pink with green polka-dots, all the men are Alpha Male T-men and all the women are me. :slight_smile:

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Let me say this. one of the first things that Criminal Justice students are taught are Robert Peels principles, which are a little outdated, but one of the cheif ones is
“the police are the public, and the public are the police”

So, should it be a suprise that there are fatties on both sides of the blue line? although i do beleive there needs to be some physical standards for police.

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[quote]Bootsie wrote:
christine wrote:
BSims wrote:

My ex is a police office for a little over five years now. When she was going through the institute she finished second in the fitness standards amongst all the recruits not just the women.

That makes me sad. While I love being strong and fit, men should be stronger, faster… etc. than women.

Every male that was beat by her should be ashamed.

its safe a bet that this “institute” placed alot more emphasis on endurance running then lets say pullups, pushups or strength tests. I personally could care less if a female could run 6 miles in a faster time then me, as long as i was stronger and faster in sprints.

and if im wrong, then god help the males in that department…[/quote]

The institute I am speaking of is the Justice Institute in British Columbia. Although world renowned for the preparation of police officers it does need some re-hauling with how they condition their recruits. I expressed this to her. From what I remember their training was largely aerobic based. Many times they would be taken on ‘hill’ runs more for mental sake then anything. Afterall, in reality would a police officer ever chase after someone on foot for longer than a couple of minutes? There were some strength testing protocols but honestly I don’t remember all of them, sorry.

I absolutely agree with you on the strength and sprint thing. Any scuffle an officer gets into will be short in duration and at a high intensity, whether it be a sprint or hand to hand combat situation.

The benefits of being in shape, strong, etc are far reaching as we all know on this site. Even the cops who are in relatively decent shape/strength have trouble with these pencil necked strung out drug addicts who are hopped on coke and just don’t feel pain when they are getting hit with asp’s and other blows and also have a heightened sense of strength while high. If the cops who are in decent shape have trouble with them then imagine how the obese ones will handle it.

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[quote]christine wrote:
Bootsie wrote:
christine wrote:
BSims wrote:

its safe a bet that this “institute” placed alot more emphasis on endurance running then lets say pullups, pushups or strength tests. I personally could care less if a female could run 6 miles in a faster time then me, as long as i was stronger and faster in sprints.

and if im wrong, then god help the males in that department…

What happens then when you have to chase a perp? Do you depend upon your female partner who can potentially run for a longer distance.

A cop should be both strong and fast.

BTW, the sky in my world is pink with green polka-dots, all the men are Alpha Male T-men and all the women are me. :slight_smile:
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Depends. I dont know how many foot chases last for 6 miles? I also realize my body may not be built for speed, and most perps that ive seen run, are skinny little kids who anyone would have a hard time catching.

Additionally, id rather be big and strong in a fight where my life is on the line, than be smaller and quicker just to catch a perp. If the perp gets away theres always tommorow to catch him. If you lose the fight on the other hand…

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[quote]KAS wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
Every time I read a post by a police officer on these forums, I cringe. I honestly cry a little bit inside, and then I remember why it is that some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.

My issues: The moron blaming obesity on liberals. Wow, way to totally embarass yourself. Where’s my grain farmers at? The red states, chump.

Learn to read, you moron! He’s blaming it on local government, who just happen to be liberals. And yes, there is a pattern forming as to who keeps dropping the standards.

Please enlighten us all as to why you think “some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.”[/quote]

"Liberals hate to uphold standards in government service because it “hurts peoples feelings” "

Would seem to pretty directly condemn liberals for obesity. You also are blaming this on liberals. Dude, it’s not the 1950s anymore. Times, they are a changin’. Occasionally, differences in methodology aren’t necessarily entirely the subverted ideology of one group of political thought.

Oh, and the majority of the people on here that I’ve observed as police officers and firemen do it because they get to wear a uniform, carry a gun or drive a truck, and get good benefits with large authority and relatively little work.

I’m not saying there aren’t good police officers, and that good people don’t become police officers. I’m just saying that there’s a specific mindset that being a police officer really appeals to, and it’s a bad mindset. If 100% of shitheads become police officers, but shitheads only comprise 1% of the population, and police officers comprise 2% of the population, then all shitheads become police officers, but not all police officers are shitheads. Fairly simple to reason out, but then, I’m not a shithead (nor a police officer)

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[quote]LoneLobo wrote:
KAS wrote:
LoneLobo wrote:
Every time I read a post by a police officer on these forums, I cringe. I honestly cry a little bit inside, and then I remember why it is that some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.

My issues: The moron blaming obesity on liberals. Wow, way to totally embarass yourself. Where’s my grain farmers at? The red states, chump.

Learn to read, you moron! He’s blaming it on local government, who just happen to be liberals. And yes, there is a pattern forming as to who keeps dropping the standards.

Please enlighten us all as to why you think “some people end up as police officers, firemen, etc.”

"Liberals hate to uphold standards in government service because it “hurts peoples feelings” "

Would seem to pretty directly condemn liberals for obesity. You also are blaming this on liberals. Dude, it’s not the 1950s anymore. Times, they are a changin’. Occasionally, differences in methodology aren’t necessarily entirely the subverted ideology of one group of political thought.

Oh, and the majority of the people on here that I’ve observed as police officers and firemen do it because they get to wear a uniform, carry a gun or drive a truck, and get good benefits with large authority and relatively little work.

I’m not saying there aren’t good police officers, and that good people don’t become police officers. I’m just saying that there’s a specific mindset that being a police officer really appeals to, and it’s a bad mindset. If 100% of shitheads become police officers, but shitheads only comprise 1% of the population, and police officers comprise 2% of the population, then all shitheads become police officers, but not all police officers are shitheads. Fairly simple to reason out, but then, I’m not a shithead (nor a police officer)
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Ok…so they shouldnt be held accountable for not enforcing fitness standards?

Yes, times are changing, but not always for the better. Differences in methodology? It either works or it doesnt. And in this case it clearly doesnt. Oh, I forgot. They’re not supposed to be held accounable!

You are right. Alot of people do become cops for the resons you listed, but I think they are the ones who are the main topic of this thread, not the cops that post here.

And I dont agree with your last statment.

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Lobo,
Broad, sweeping generalizations. If I used your flawed logic, most minorities would be criminals, because most of the criminals I arrest are minorities. We know this is not true. I think about 90% of all people are good. You have about 10% assholes. I think that this carries through to the Police Department as well as other civil service jobs.

I’m really sorry if you’ve only encountered the assholes in my profession, but keep in mind, we usually give what we get.

And for god’s sake, stop picking on the firefighters. Not only do they grow the worlds finest mustaches, but they are damn good at what they do (and they are usually in MUCH better shape than the general population).

I’m pretty much done, but before I go, I would again like to say that I think that the citizens and fellow Officers would be much better served if physical standards were upheld in Police Departments.

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[quote]pbody03 wrote:
I don’t understand why anyone pursuing a career in this field would allow themselves to get so outta shape. For some desk jockeys that may not be as big an issue …

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2 thoughts on this

1)It seems inefficient that a police officer is doing the job of a secretary since police are better compensated. perhaps if officers were more fit they could be back on the streets in a more hands on role instead of behind a desk.

  1. If an officer does have this assignment being obese is still not a good thing for anyone. Insureance premiums rise, sick days increase, energy levels go down… THis is costly for tax payers, and unhealthy for police officers.
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I’m not advocating that cops shouldn’t be in shape. It should be mandatory for them to perform acts of physical fitness to remain certified. I’m all for that, I’m just against the ceaseless repetition of various anecdotal incidents of fat cops.

Also, I don’t follow your logic at all re: minorities.

You stated that my logic was flawed. Incorrect. Your logic is flawed. You feel that my statements are incorrect, entirely different. My logic proceeds through orderly steps. Mine is similar to the statement that all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. Thus, any time you spot a square, you can state that it’s a rectangle. However, any time you spot a rectangle, you cannot also call it a square.

You, on the other hand, state that because most of the criminals you arrest are minorities, then most minorities are criminals. This is an inverse flaw in reasoning. It’s highly common logical flaw.

However, I would posit that minorities for a variety of reasons are more likely to become criminals. This is entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.

I do, for the record, think police should have to be in shape. I just don’t think it’s the fault of liberal government.

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Our dept, out of 60 28 of them would not be able to chase someone for over about 3 min’s or put up a good physical fight for over a couple minutes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Of course they’re fighting it. The average cop I see around here has a waist closing in on 50" and enjoys every free food perk of the job. I didn’t know buttons on a shirt could be that strong. Clearly they are also made of Kevlar.

If they truly cracked down on the overweight ones, the force population would drop by 80%.[/quote]

The buttons on the shirts are fake. There is a zipper behind them that actually closes the shirt. It makes for better entry/exit if for example you carry a back up weapon inside your shirt.

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[quote]Coldiron wrote:
And she was probably sworn in “to serve and protect”. I gotta wonder if she would actually give up that drummy if shit went down. LOL!!![/quote]

Cold, just frick’n cold!

But funny!!!