Personally, when I first started I read “you can cheat sometimes” and started cheating all the time, eating lots of fast food and general junk. And I got bigger and stronger, for sure. But now I’ve gotten kind of fat, and it takes as least as much work, if not more, to lose the fat than it does to avoid gaining it in the first place.
omg you guys are tools lol. i forgot i made this thread til last and im kinda glad to see its still around but woooooow.
let me clear something up first, im an Ecto so getting in calories anyway possible (aside from eating junk food) is my top priority. i also dont eat them all at one sitting lol.
to answer someone else’s question about using them as bulking vs conveninece, i think its a combination of both. seriously anyone whos eatin a decent amount of calories in a day 4-5k+ knows that its such a pain in the ass to try and prepare food.
i also wonder how big the guys who are all anti-fastfood are. if youre a bunch of 160lb fucks then shudddaaaaaaaaap. if youre a fat guy then yea i can see where you could go wrong with BK but for us Ectos, that place is a Godsend.
i dont eat chinese food though, i just think it tastes gross. i dont eat french fries either cause i guess they have a lot of trans fat.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
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to answer someone else’s question about using them as bulking vs conveninece, i think its a combination of both. seriously anyone whos eatin a decent amount of calories in a day 4-5k+ knows that its such a pain in the ass to try and prepare food.
i also wonder how big the guys who are all anti-fastfood are. if youre a bunch of 160lb fucks then shudddaaaaaaaaap. if youre a fat guy then yea i can see where you could go wrong with BK but for us Ectos, that place is a Godsend.
i dont eat chinese food though, i just think it tastes gross. i dont eat french fries either cause i guess they have a lot of trans fat. [/quote]
i’m eating 4500-4700 cals/day consistently, and no fast food what so ever.
I’d recommend picking up Gourmet Nutrition by Berardi, there are numerous recipes for healthy high calorie alternatives to fast food.
i’m an ecto, have gone from 167, to 177 lbs in the past 2 months (yeah, i’m not big, but working on it), and I rarely ever eat junk food now, let alone fast food
and can you say that preparing the food youre eating is not time consuming?
when your noob growth wears off (because an ecto cant gain 10lbs in 2 months consistently) youll find the same methods arent going to be working as they once were.
when im out with my friends partying, id rather have a couple burgers waiting for me that i can just microwave which contain a good amount of calories comprised of fat,protein, and carbs than have to pack meals in advance or cook while im there.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
…when your noob growth wears off…[/quote]
How 'bout you stop acting like a fucking hotshot? Eat the quad stackers all you want, be my guest. You’ll gain plenty of mass, most of which won’t be muscular, or even remotely healthy, for that matter. If you want a good body, put in the time and effort necessary to do so. There are no shortcuts when it comes to your body; treat it right and it will return the favor.
Here are my two cents…
For the longest time, I ate very clean. I was fucking devout about it. Brown rice, oatmeal, chicken, whole wheat everything. Never cheated. Never deviated. I spat on any sugar and fats.
Then, frustrated with my gains, about a year and a half to two yers ago I started getting lax. I started incooperating some dirty foods and relaxed my limitations.
The result? I started getting bigger, stronger, and continue to. I’m putting on a little more body fat too, but, fuck, I’m trying to be a FREAK and am in this for the long haul. I’ll cut when it’s time to, but right now I’m on the mass train.
I just tried a quad stacker for the first time from BK yesterday after reading this thread, it was fucking delicious.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
The result? I started getting bigger, stronger, and continue to. I’m putting on a little more body fat too, but, fuck, I’m trying to be a FREAK and am in this for the long haul. I’ll cut when it’s time to, but right now I’m on the mass train.
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This is the key part of this argument.
Whether or not your trying to be said FREAK will probably determine your approach.
IH I agree wholefuckingheatedly.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
and can you say that preparing the food youre eating is not time consuming?
when your noob growth wears off (because an ecto cant gain 10lbs in 2 months consistently) youll find the same methods arent going to be working as they once were.
when im out with my friends partying, id rather have a couple burgers waiting for me that i can just microwave which contain a good amount of calories comprised of fat,protein, and carbs than have to pack meals in advance or cook while im there. [/quote]
I’m no noob, thanks. Wish I was.I just wasn’t pushing myself in the gym like I should be, or eating enough.
Is it more time consuming than making sandwiches, frozen pizzas/dinners, etc? yeah, WTF, you think eating healthier is easy?
But, it’s not really that bad.
Eating every 2 hrs is the toughest part.
It takes me all of 5 mins for each of the 2 homemade shakes I make a day that total 1300 cals combined.
I make up a batch of homemade protein balls twice a week at 10 mins each time. Each of those meals get me 690 cals, add in fruit and bam! 
It took a little adjusting at first, but it’s not bad at all now.
all that aside. What do you think your body will function better on? eating rather healthy or eating crap?
how about your internals?
i’m done arguing this, thinking that slamming down 3,030 cals of garbage on a routine basis is good in any way is not worth my time anymore arguing over.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Here are my two cents…
For the longest time, I ate very clean. I was fucking devout about it. Brown rice, oatmeal, chicken, whole wheat everything. Never cheated. Never deviated. I spat on any sugar and fats.
Then, frustrated with my gains, about a year and a half to two yers ago I started getting lax. I started incooperating some dirty foods and relaxed my limitations.
The result? I started getting bigger, stronger, and continue to. I’m putting on a little more body fat too, but, fuck, I’m trying to be a FREAK and am in this for the long haul. I’ll cut when it’s time to, but right now I’m on the mass train.
I just tried a quad stacker for the first time from BK yesterday after reading this thread, it was fucking delicious.[/quote]
And this is the point many are missing. If you weigh all of 160lbs and most people can’t even tell you lift if you have anything bigger than a tank top on, you should probably stop expecting anyone else to eat like you if their goal is to get huge. It actually makes little sense to think otherwise. If most of the big guys all agree on approach, stop listening to the little guys.
This is beyond annoying. This is why people need to post pictures when they give advice.
For instance, I’m not shredded even though I am currently dieting. I would not jump in to give specifics about contest dieting outside of general knowledge because I have never done it. I have never been below 8% body fat and don’t even want to be unless I plan on jumping on stage.
It is great to discuss theory in and of itself but when every guy with a goal of getting BIG muscles gets blindsided by a bunch of much smaller guys who all claim no one should drink orange juice and that milk just makes you fat, it would be greatly appreciated if many of you would simply shut the living fuck up.
No one has told this guy to get all of his meals from McDonalds. It is simply understood that people with FAST METABOLISMS who are trying to get bigger muscles than most of the population need a lot more calories and that hamburger isn’t going to kill them or even hinder progress. Yes, you need to understand a balanced diet and No, you shouldn’t be eating every meal with frenchfries.
This shit is simple. It always has been. Why do people make this so complicated?
And, just so no one claims otherwise, I rarely eat fast food of any kind when dropping weight. I cook most of my own food. However, when gaining, I do eat less “clean” and even then I focus on WHAT I am eating and avoid simply throwing pure junk down my throat.
Beef, bread and lettuce is not bad for you. Even the fat content can be argued well if someone drains the grease of on paper towels (like I do). The sodium content is the greatest negative, therefore, moderation is what is being taught, not blatant disregard for what you eat.
Jehova, to think gaining 10 lbs in 2 months with an Ecto metabolism isnt ‘noob growth’ you need a reality check. if you can keep that weight gain going for even 2 more months meaning you put on another 10 lbs in 2 months or fuck it, even 6lbs, i will never question you again.
as for bodyfat% and shit. what part of ecto dont you understand? ive been about 12% from my entrie time on the AD to now where i am muuuuuch more leinant with what i eat (and that actually took a lot of time to get used to.) anyway, my lifts have gone up and so has my weight, but that doesnt mean im gaining muscle right? i eat BK about 1-3 times a week and may consume between 3-9 burgers a week.
if you look at it the way i do, im genetically engineered to keep weight off so wouldnt the logical thing to do be to eat enough to get weight on? and what kind of food makes people the fattest? hmmm fast food. you also need to understand (this is really obvious here) that the majority of people who get solely FAT from fastfood are sedentary not people going to the gym 4 times a week and beating the shit out of their bodies doing it.
a bodybuilding doctor has even said that its a good approach, what more do you really need? how many big people do you know that only eat carrots and chicken breasts and have gotten big that way.
for all the anti people, get it out of your head that youve found some secret path to success through eating cabbage year round.
…enough have been said, lets see how everyone looks a year from now, lets see whos gained mass and who looks like they still havent been under the bar. im not sayin im some bodybuilding god, but at least people know i lift weights no matter what i wear.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Here are my two cents…
I just tried a quad stacker for the first time from BK yesterday after reading this thread, it was fucking delicious.[/quote]
see, i told you =)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one has told this guy to get all of his meals from McDonalds. It is simply understood that people with FAST METABOLISMS who are trying to get bigger muscles than most of the population need a lot more calories and that hamburger isn’t going to kill them or even hinder progress. Yes, you need to understand a balanced diet and No, you shouldn’t be eating every meal with frenchfries.
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Beef, bread and lettuce is not bad for you. Even the fat content can be argued well if someone drains the grease of on paper towels (like I do). The sodium content is the greatest negative, therefore, moderation is what is being taught, not blatant disregard for what you eat.[/quote]
I don’t necessarily have a problem with him eating fast food when bulking; I do, however, have a problem with him eating 3030 calories from fast food either at once or throughout the day. A burger a day or every other day or whatever isn’t too bad if the rest of his diet is clean. However, if half or more than half of his daily caloric intake is coming from fast food, there’s definitely a problem.
Additionally, I stressed overall health. So, regardless of caloric intake, all these hamburgers could prove to be detrimental in the long run.
I wish ScottM was around to post DC’s eating for size wisdom. Its been posted before and I do have it somewhere, if I come across it I may very well post it up.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
as for bodyfat% and shit. what part of ecto dont you understand? ive been about 12% from my entrie time on the AD to now where i am muuuuuch more leinant with what i eat (and that actually took a lot of time to get used to.) anyway, my lifts have gone up and so has my weight, but that doesnt mean im gaining muscle right? i eat BK about 1-3 times a week and may consume between 3-9 burgers a week.
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Live,
Are you on the AD now? Do you just go and eat the patties or did you ditch the AD and eat the entire cheeseburger? Just wondering. During bulking on the AD I would go to Hardee’s regularly and get a monster burger… Two huge patties, two slices of cheese, two strips of bacon, and mayo… mmm. Alas I am not bulking as hard as I once was and must obstain.
no im not doing the AD anymore, i did it for about 7 months, made decent gains and then got really bored of the food. im not a chef in the least and im not all that creative when it comes to cooking. so i felt that adhering to the strict guidlines of the diet i was doing myself a disservice because i was getting bored of eating to the point where i would have less desire to eat, even though i was hungry. so i left it to have an endless array of food choices and honestly it was hard getting used to the concept of a sandwhich again.
off topic…is that you in your Avy?
back to topic, where does it say a Quad Stacker is 3,030 calories? i guess at that rate id be consuming 9,090 calories…and thats JUST during the night. i dont think thats whats going on or else id be taking in at the absolute minimum 12-13,000 cals.
i dont eat one a day, or every other day, as i stated earlier i eat them only on a couple occassions. usually just when im over at my friends house to party and on the way is a BK where i get enough food to try and last me through the night.
I believe that was all 3 burgers combined, but I’m not sure.
And no thats not him, I forget the guys name but I think he’s an o. lifter.
I’d give a nut for his legs though.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
back to topic, where does it say a Quad Stacker is 3,030 calories? i guess at that rate id be consuming 9,090 calories…and thats JUST during the night. i dont think thats whats going on or else id be taking in at the absolute minimum 12-13,000 cals.
i dont eat one a day, or every other day, as i stated earlier i eat them only on a couple occassions. usually just when im over at my friends house to party and on the way is a BK where i get enough food to try and last me through the night. [/quote]
No no no, you misunderstood. According to Burger King’s website’s national nutritional facts section, 1 quad stacker has 1,010 calories ( Burger King ). In your original post, you said you’d buy 3 (possibly an exaggeration, I wasn’t sure, so I erred on the side of excessive caloric intake), which would mean 3,030 (1010*3, obviously). Also, you said/implied that you’d purchase and eat three of them after you work out (another possible exaggeration/joke, but again I erred on the upside for caution).
So, with what you’re saying now, you’d only eat a burger every now and then. This, as I said earlier, I have no problem with. But it’s 3 in one night that wouldn’t be good. It’s not just about building mass, it’s about overall health, and 3 quad stackers in a relatively short period of time is not healthy. While they tasted awesome at the time I ate them (I can’t stand fast food anymore), if I ate more than one I’d probably cause my body some problems.
Also, if you intend to drink heavily at your friend’s parties, I would think twice. Drinking isn’t bad, but if you’re trying to build muscle, think twice. Your body can’t synthesize protein while it clears your system of alcohol. But that’s another topic…
Go ahead and eat a burger every now and then, especially if you’re an ecto. Just don’t eat a lot of them often, for the reasons I’ve stated above.
EATING FOR SIZE
by Dante form hardcore Muscle
With all the high falutin diets going around everywhere now ? it?s very hard to decide which direction to go. In this article I?m going to state some facts and then let you, the reader decide what is best for you. I?m probably going to get some guff from people who have different theories than for what I?m about to write ? mainly because it seems passe.
Without a doubt ? ?bulking up? has gotten a bad name lately, but let me tell you why first. One thing Dan Duchaine really grilled into us during our interview with him - is how the market controls everything. The market honestly is not for the cultish class of rebel bodybuilders who want to get extremely massive and shake the earth at his every step. No, the market is for Joe public who would like to look lean all year round and build some muscle if he can too. And what is the next most important facet ? convenience! It must be simple, easy to do, and just not a pain in the ass to follow day in and day out.
Yes, everyone wants to be big muscularly if they can, but to the majority - being lean and muscular is vastly more important. OK, I agree that the majority of bodybuilders out there are in this class. I don?t actually consider those guys HARDCORE in my definition of he word but I must see their side too. To me bodybuilding is about growing not dieting (deprivation).
What I want you to look at is this ? the big picture. Do you reading this
want to put on as much muscle, as fast as you possibly can ? for the pursuit
of your long-term goal?
Or do you want to maybe compromise muscular gains, growing at a much slower rate but you look lean the whole way while trying to put on muscle? This is the tremendously hard decision you have t make. And yes, I feel it is tremendously hard because no one wants to build muscle at a less then optimum rate and no one wants to be a little fatter than they have to be.
Let?s simplify things shall we? Basically you can divide pretty much all the new and old concept diets into two groups. First there is the moderate to low calorie diets which include (nutrient density, high fat [variation] to fat, low caw) diet theories in which in the overwhelming majority of them the calories are pretty much below 3500.
Then there is the moderate to high calorie diets which include High Protein, Parillo, High fat [again ? variation] high carb, etc.) diet theories.
I?m going to be blatantly honest here so bear with me. If you want to stay fairly lean (let?s say optimally lean ? that?s a better description) and in a genuinely easy diet concept to follow ? all along building muscle along the way (not optimally though), then you should probably be on one of the diets in the first group. You have to do what makes you happy and a lot of you won?t be happy being a little plump even though you wilt be a lot bigger muscle wise.
As a lot of you know, what looks good on paper doesn?t always play out well in real life. And more than anywhere else diet theories which even in my discerning eyes, look good on paper ? definitely don?t play out well in the gym. I must repeat this. You must think this out and decide what makes you happy. I don?t want you guys coming back and saying ?Those fuckin? guys at H.M. made me fat! Yea. I?m a lot bigger but I?m fat!? I ain?t gonna deal with it. (How?s that for some slang) (My grandmother the English teacher would kill me) So now I?m going to state some facts outside the science/paper arena ? that I have seen happen in real life. I?m willing to bet that when you guys think about it, you will come to the same conclusions I have.
A) I have never seen a juiced bodybuilder taking in about 3000 calories a day, go beyond the gains of what ONLY the use/abuse of the sauce has let him gain.
Al) I have seen juiced bodybuilders who took in a tremendous amount of calories get muscle gains and thickness at the fastest rate possible, and so beyond the 3000 calorie/nutrient dense bodybuilders that there isn?t even a close comparison, And don?t even try to argue, ?Well it looks like it because they are holding more bodyfat.? True, but when these guys come down in weight there is so much more muscle!
B) I have never seen a natural bodybuilder who tried to stay lean year-round, put on a dramatic increase of muscle size. If you added up alt their brutally hardcore workouts there is no way in Hell that 2-4LBS ?at the most (I?ve seen O LBS) in a year is worth it!
BI) I have seen natural bodybuilders who make tremendously huge gains in bodyweight between contests, (and take a lot of verbal abuse for it) come in and crush the competition continually because they gain 10-15LBS of muscle underneath fat every year. Natural powerlifters absolutely crush natural bodybuilders in contests decisively. Why? Off-season bulkup!
C) Correction ? I have seen genetically gifted African-American
bodybuilders make gains no matter what the Hell they do! And rarely a genetically superb Caucasian bodybuilder too! Ninety-eight percent of you reading this aren?t in those groups so keep reading.
Cl) I guarantee you ? GUARANTEE! ? that somewhere right now there is a natural bodybuilder right now reading this who is pissed off and saying it is bullshit. This guy trains incredibly hard, eats incredibly clean, uses the best supplements religiously and stays lean and muscular year -round. Don?t try to argue with him, because he is set in his ways?that?s how natural guys (and some juicers too) are. They are right and you are wrong. They are the most holier-than-thou experts around. I only have one thing to say ? check the scale! You weighed 188 three years ago and now you weigh 190??!! Great ? by 2005 you will weigh 200L8S! CASE CLOSED! Two hundred and eight workouts in a year for a measly pound of muscle!
D) Shawn Ray, Tony Pearson, Porter Cottrell, Lee Labrada, Mike Ashley, Robby Robinson ? these are examples of some bodybuilders who stay lean year-round ?and there are some very big guys here and also some very good bodybuilders (Ray, Labrada) but honestly how much improvement in muscle mass do you see from year to year!! Not that much.
Dl) Dorian Yates, Nassir El Sombaty, Dave Fisher, Lee Priest, Chris Duffy, Michael Francois. Here are some great and middle of the road bodybuilders too. But all these guys do pound the food and get bigger every year. Especially the first four! Yates, Sombaty and Fisher are all over 30 or close to it. They have been lifting for over 10 years and are gaining big time muscle still. There are some non-wealthy bodybuilders in both groups, so don?t be ignorant and say, ?They must use more drugs:?
E) Is this bodybuilding or should it be called ?body leaning? because it seems to me that is where all the new diets are leading to in my eyes. The compromising of extreme muscle gains for the general fear of being fat. I want you to ask yourself this ?How long does it take to build extreme muscle size? I would say 5-15 years in my opinion, ?? ? How long does it take to lose body fat once you have reached the huge muscle size you want? 3-5 months??!! You tell me what the focus should be on. A friend reminded me of something There are models and strippers out there that take a lot of steroids (some on the level of chronic abuse) who train hard, eat really clean because they have to stay lean for their job and yet ? they look the exact same year after year after year. When they first started using steroids? yes they looked better ? but they hit that plateau fairly quick and stayed there.
Do you see my point yet? What is your goal? Is it to be extremely big or extremely lean? If there is a 175 lb bodybuilder out there who wants to weigh 235 lbs with 8% body fat and thinks he will accomplish that with 2800 calories and nutrient density_ man you are really fooling yourself! It will not happen! I promise you, in four years time you just might weigh 195 lbs. If you went ahead and used illegal steroids you might make it to 215 lbs. But honestly, do you know the quickest way there? ? Bulking up to about 285 lbs would get you there. Yes, you would probably be pretty fat, and not happy about being that fat but when you came down, you weigh 230-235 lbs. And be very happy. A sacrifice to get to your final goal. ? ? The people who tout low calorie diets (I?m not putting them down ? I respect them) are their main objectives to keep lean or to build muscle? Read into that please. The examples of themselves and the students they give?Was most of the muscle they have now from past bulking diets? Of course they look better now?they are lean! But was the muscle from bulking up??!! Yes it was most of the time.
Do you know what I consider the hardest thing in bodybuilding? Oh yeah, the training and dedication is hard ? but to continually pound down 6 meals a day on a continual basis is the utmost of chores and dedication. I don?t miss meals. Ahh, that?s too easy ? I don?t miss meals to the best of my ability?OK.
So this is where you have to ask yourself?what are my ultimate goals and what is the happiest way I can get there? Do I want to stay extremely lean and maybe compromise some muscle gains? If I bulk up, will the negative people who wait at every chance to say ?Getting kind of fat? affect me? Will society keep me from what I truly want to accomplish? See, I admire Dorian and Nasser because they are driven. You will never see those two with a tucked in dress shirt an in the off-season. They are bulked up. Chubby if you like. But they know what kind of muscle they want to put on and don?t give a shit what anyone else says on the way there. Dorian caught a lot of flak on how he looked at the Night of Champions at roughly 300LBS. So what? Did you see what he looked like at the 95 Olympia? DOMINATED is the word.
Segway: I personally think Parillo got a bad rap. I don?t agree with his basic what to eat theories ? but I do think he has some ideas that could be put to use. Let?s start this first ? I don?t care what crap you read that bodybuilders only need 1.3 grams of protein per kilogram. Bullshit! Look at some of the recent studies that pertain to bodybuilders that lift very heavy and very intense. Not fitness bodyshapers . . .0K! Four grams per kilogram of bodyweight is a good goal to shoot for. Actually shoot for the protein content of the bodyweight you want to weigh.. i.e. 260LBS = 354 to 472 grams of protein a day. 300LBS = 409 to 545 grams a day. Second of all you are going to have to decide which way you are going to go(a) moderate/high carbs and varying fats or b) high fat and low carb diet ? Duchaine?s and Dipasquale?s diet. The big problem everyone has with the high carb diet is that with the high carbs comes an onset of high insulin which will?yes tend to put fat on the body (lipogenesis). But that is not all bad because insulin also pushes nutrients (amino acids) into the muscle cells and there is nothing wrong with that. But when these nutrient stores are filled, this is where a lot of bodyfat is laid down on the body. So it is a catch 22 situation. The extra bodyfat could probably give you a little extra leverage in some movements. But this is not what I think most diet experts are looking at. They look at insulin from a leanness perspective instead of its benefits of pushing nutrients into the muscle cells.
The problem with the higher carb bulking diets is that you can get very groggy and sleepy especially after a very high carb meal. It comes from an onrush of insulin and the release of a chemical in the brain ? serotonin (especially when nutrient/carb stores in the muscle are saturated already). So there are good points and bad points to high protein ? moderate to high cart diets.
People with superb metabolisms can benefit greatly from them in the way of superb muscle gains if they can put up with the groggy episodes that will affect them from time to time. Others who decide to go this route with lesser metabolisms either put up with the extra bodyfat and realize that when the tines comes they will take it off or perform aerobic work to keep their bodyfat levels in check. But you must realize that yes, the aerobics will let you have a high density/high nutrient/calorie diet but it also is an additional form of stress on the body that can catabolize muscle if overdone. This is where I thought Parillo had some nice ideas as far as aerobics done only for l/2 an hour at a time morning and night. I would also think that on training days only the morning session (if that) would have to be done. Better yet, my opinion would be only do the aerobics on off training days if you feel you have to do them. To be totally honest, people who take steroids are probably not going to have to do much aerobically because anabolics have a slight thermogenic effect and also they will be in such a superior muscle building situation that most gains (initially at least? not long term) will be in the way of muscle, not bodyfat.
With receptor sites saturated and slower muscle gains, body fat will accumulate, many add clenbuterol to bulking diets to keep bodyfat at a minimum. Phenformin, Metformin and Vanadyl Sulfate work extremely well for most people on high carb diets. They mimic insulin in a way ? driving glycogen into the muscles. In theory this should make you fuller looking and have less glucose left over to be transformed into triglycerides ? stored bodyfat. A word to the wise ? Metformin and Phenformin are very strong drugs so use them with caution. If you are not insulin deficient to some degree I would stick to the Vanadyl Sulfate. You know everyone and his mother argues how high calorie diets don?t work and their big point is the bodyfat. But I have yet to see someone disprove that it is the fastest way to put on muscle! Yes it puts on body fat, but there are ways to control that pretty much aerobically if someone is really serious about putting on the size."
Get Swole Talking:
And the take home point:
Dante talking:
“?Im 180 LBS and I want to be 280 LBS. I want to gain muscular size at the quickest, fastest rate possible all the while keeping my bodyfat at a satisfactory level. There is a million dollars in it for you it you can do it in 6 years or less.? What would you have to have him do to get him there??!! ME? ? This guy would never miss a meal, get to know a treadmill on a regular basis, and be a rest pausing maniac. And I would have a million in 5 years. not six!”
I WISH it was me. It is Ivan Stoitsov. Go to YouTube and search his name. It’s worth your time.
Edit: Nice article, GetSwole
…when i say im eating now and then it means a couple times a week ill have 3 in a night which equates to anywhere from 3-9 a week. i also never have them PstWO, i always have a Powerbar and a 1/4 gal. of whole milk which i consume during my 30 min walk home. and just so you know mommy, im not drinking that much, 4 beers gets me pretty drunk, im a lightweight because i rarely drink lol.