Fast Food for Mass

Nutrition
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:

and i agree, that given the circumstances, something is better than nothing. But, really how often does fast food need to be eaten? I can’t recall the last time I ate at one of those places.

in a pinch, yes, but come on.

“Need to be eaten”? If my goal is a certain number of calories and I am trying to GAIN weight, if the majority of my calories are coming from clean sources, how could a hamburger from anywhere cause any problem with your physique goals? If anything, the extra calories would probably help.

Also, why is it when an author makes some specific rule like “make fast food 10% of total intake” no one says a word but the simple act of stating ground beef and bread won’t kill you, all hell breaks loose?

I doubt very much of even your daily intake “needs to be eaten”. We aren’t talking about survival tactics here. We are talking about how to get big muscles when you started out with little ones. You do that by eating more calories than the average 160lbs personal trainer at 24 Hour Fitness eats.[/quote]

yea x is right its not like that hamburger you ate once a week is going to make you a fatass anyway. Some people, the obese ones eat mcdonalds twice a day

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I guess I have over-reacted, but the original post made it seem like it was a regular feeding and a good way of going about it.[/quote]

No, you’re right, the original post DOES make it seem like he intends to go to BK after every workout and eat 3.030 calories (directly from BK website @ Burger King) each time. It’s low-quality calories coming from low-quality food.

There is no way in hell that 3 quad stackers can have ANY benefits when eaten on a somewhat-daily basis. And at that, 3 quad stackers on ANY occasion can’t be good, considering the amount of calories, fats, etc that the body would have to process in one feeding.

If I were the OP, I would go home and eat a home-cooked meal. If he wants hamburgers that much, buy some from the store (Bubba Burgers, anyone?) and make your own quad stacker, or something like it.

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Fuck it all to hell.

Science made bodybuilding go to shit.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Fuck it all to hell.

Science made bodybuilding go to shit.[/quote]

What do you mean? (This thread has gone around in circles, I’m so damn confused)

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Personally, I say experience goes beyond theory or science any day of the week. Not just for bodybuilding either, it can be applied to music management, tech issues, driving a car, speaking a foreign language, building a house, etc.

The guy with experience will have much more valuable information for you than the guy who has read a shitload of theory and science.

At 16 years old, you can read all you want on how to drive a car. You can take driver’s ed, read all the manuals, watch videos of dudes driving constantly, and post on forums about how to drive, but how qualified are you to tell someone the best way to drive if you haven’t ever gotten behind the wheel of a car?

Not only that, but how qualified are you to give advice to someone on how to drive if you haven’t been behind the wheel of a car many many times over?

Experience > Science.

Now, I certainly don’t take Professor X’s advice and follow it religiously, or anyone’s advice for that matter, but the dude is a big guy who moves big weights and has been there before. He makes good points, and he also isn’t advocating eating shitty food 100% of the time.

In fact, he’s only advising that if you can’t fit in the calories you need for the day a hamburger or two won’t kill you. He’s also made the point over and over again that if you’re a skinny bitch and have a really high metabolism, a few trips to the burger shack won’t make you fat, they in all likelihood will help you.

I’d rather take the advice of a scientist who’s won several medals in his field than a dude who studies science all day long as a hobby but has no real-world experience with his studies.

Also, I’m not kissing X’s ass, but he’s right.

-dizzle

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[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Fuck it all to hell.

Science made bodybuilding go to shit.

What do you mean? (This thread has gone around in circles, I’m so damn confused)[/quote]

Back in the golden age (ala Arnie and Zane) there wasn’t all the info swirling around.

Now technically the “science” has helped and learning is certainly good, but all the different theories and this and that you see in all these articles create a bunch of armchair experts. I.E. guys saying don’t do this or that, you ask them why and its basically because Berardi said so or something of the sort. It’s great to be a Phd and write and research and learn, but people need to stop taking everything people say either
A. Outside the scope of what the writer meant.
B. Or as if its the final word passed down by God himself.

To many people swear by what they read, but have never really achieved anything, or at least not much, themselves.

I just thinking pure experience trumps pure reading every time.

A mixture of the 2 would be the ideal position.

I agree with what the poster above me said,

You can read the book about driving before you get your license, but once you get behind wheel, you still don’t know how to keep the fucker going straight at first. So what do you? You fucking drive.

So, if you want to give the end all be all advice on bulking/cutting/lifting/shitting, whatever it may be, you should at least have some decent time driving the car first.

Its fine to parrot theories and authors, but it is WAY WAY WAY overdone. I don’t presume to think anyone can achieve and experience everything in life, but there are too many guys who only have little more than book knowledge preaching the word like Jesus said it.

I don’t mean to belabor the point, it was been beaten to death many a time.

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I continued to think on this as I was cooking:

I want to make it clear that I don’t think information and articles are inherently bad. I just think the information is often MISUSED.

I’ll use myself as an example.

I have used the idea of not wanting to lose muscle as an excuse not to do cardio. What was the result? I got smoother and didn’t lose fat optimally.

I have used the idea of spiking Leptin and hormone levels as an excuse for turning a carb-up into an all out shit-eating fest.

Now I know that is not the authors fault and I don’t advocate it as such, I just think I’m common in that, I sometimes turn what some article said into an excuse for not doing something I should be.

Nutrition/lifting…all these articles are supposed to be GENERAL (emphasize this word) guidelines. THEY ARE NOT THE END ALL BE ALL FOR EVERY PERSON. Learn what works for you, AND FOR FUCKS SAKE DON’T JUMP DOWN JOE SCHMOE’s THROAT JUST BECAUSE HE ATE FAT AND CARBS in gasp THE SAME MEAL!!! (or some other such “sin” that the bodybuilding scientific revolution has laid out)

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GetSwole, I see what you’re saying now. That being elaborated upon, I have to agree with you. The thing is, like you said, there needs to be a balance between theory and experience. Too many people read something on this site or somewhere else and take it as from-the-mouth-of-God dogma. While a lot of the information on this site really is golden, it’s not the holy scripture (not entirely, at least) of weightlifting.

When it comes to doing what’s best for you, go on experience. If your past experiences weren’t good, find something new to do and figure out what would work best via research and reading. If your past was good, do it, and if you want, read WHY it was so good.

And yeah, I think people focus too much on the minor details. In theory, everyone would have diets down pat to the gram of each vitamin and mineral and nutrient and what not. However, some people (like myself) use a #<x<# type of equation when it comes to dieting (as far as those vites/mins/nutes go).

Bringing it back to the OP, in this particular case, I do think that theory prevails. There’s no way that eating 3,030 calories (almost all of which are “dirty”) in a single meal after each workout is a logical way to bulk healthily. Unless the guy is some sort of genetic wonder, he would only be clogging his arteries and packing on more fat than a pre-hibernating grizzly bear. Like many have said, there are BETTER ways to bulk than just eating 3 quad stackers.

Note: I believe it was CT that said that he used to eat a ton of hamburgers after each workout (I believe he said like 5, but I may be wrong). Eventually, he realized that the hamburgers weren’t good, so he did a dietary overhaul. I think a story like this merits some consideration in this case.

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[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Note: I believe it was CT that said that he used to eat a ton of hamburgers after each workout (I believe he said like 5, but I may be wrong). Eventually, he realized that the hamburgers weren’t good, so he did a dietary overhaul. I think a story like this merits some consideration in this case.[/quote]

Yes, and also as has been said many many times in response to that, the mass built through all those burgers is still real.

Can people stop turning bodybuilding on this forum into some puritanical exercise of diet caffeine free water and the leanest cuts of fish. Look at the big picture.

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[quote]Joe D. wrote:
Yes, and also as has been said many many times in response to that, the mass built through all those burgers is still real.[/quote]
I hear ya on that. The only thing is, it’s not just about mass, it’s also about health. Eating five fast food burgers after every workout is extremely detrimental to your health. You have to take overall health into consideration. Sure, you’re gaining mass by eating those burgers, but is the size gain worth the risks?

I’m with you on this. While there is definitely a “science” to it all, there’s no need to get ridiculous about this or that. Like GetSwole said, people are getting too specific and using too much theory when in fact, they should just do what’s good for them. A few extra carbs or fats or whatever a day won’t hurt most of the people on this site, yet a lot of people make a big deal about it.

But, once again, it’s based on the individual. If someone wants to be exact on their diet, let them. On the other hand, if someone doesn’t, that’s fine, too. No worries all around. Just lift, people.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Fuck it all to hell.

Science made bodybuilding go to shit.[/quote]

I just want to step in here and defend science for a second. The people reading a bunch of theory and accepting it as gospel are not doing science… they are doing the opposite of science, even if that theory comes from a scientist. People like Professor X are the ones taking the scientific approach, testing and observing real world results.

This isn’t a dig on you or anything GetSwole, this is a message to all the people who think they’re scientists/using science because their favourite author uses 72 references in his articles.

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You are right I understand. I went and kinda inserted my foot in my mouth in the following 2 posts. I was just frustrated and I agree with what you said.

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[quote]hexx wrote:

Mmmm… In-N-Out

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[quote]will to power wrote:

I just want to step in here and defend science for a second. The people reading a bunch of theory and accepting it as gospel are not doing science… they are doing the opposite of science, even if that theory comes from a scientist. People like Professor X are the ones taking the scientific approach, testing and observing real world results.

This isn’t a dig on you or anything GetSwole, this is a message to all the people who think they’re scientists/using science because their favourite author uses 72 references in his articles. [/quote]

I agree with this.

This is true for most areas of discussion but particularly on places like T-Nation people seem to think the vague conclusions of one study sets the bar and becomes the standard of truth.

This is not how the scientific method works.

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Kind of hard to even apply science to lifting since individuals react so differently to training. Since I’ve joined this site I’ve tried a lot of what the strong guys do, yet a lot of it didn’t work well for me. Took me awhile just to set up something that worked well for me, I’m getting results might not be best but its working.

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I remember seeing a guy eat an octo stacker one time, but 12? I can’t even fathom.

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Aside from being way over-processed, a BK stacker is essentially a bunch of ground beef, cheese, and bacon. It’s not like he wants to eat fucking pop tarts.

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Aside from being way over-processed, a BK stacker is essentially a bunch of ground beef, cheese, and bacon. It’s not like he wants to eat fucking pop tarts.[/quote]

No, but what he wants to eat is riddled with fat and excessive amounts of calories (3030 in one meal?!). So, given the fact that his routine of eating 3 Quad Stackers would essentially be the beginning of his end, I would go as far as to RECOMMEND eating pop tarts instead.

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[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Aside from being way over-processed, a BK stacker is essentially a bunch of ground beef, cheese, and bacon. It’s not like he wants to eat fucking pop tarts.

No, but what he wants to eat is riddled with fat and excessive amounts of calories (3030 in one meal?!). So, given the fact that his routine of eating 3 Quad Stackers would essentially be the beginning of his end, I would go as far as to RECOMMEND eating pop tarts instead.[/quote]

Or just buy 3 pounds of ground beef from the grocery store and grill it yourself.

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[quote]DoubleSidedTape wrote:
Or just buy 3 pounds of ground beef from the grocery store and grill it yourself.[/quote]

I recommended that earlier in the thread.