No problem with that at all. Tim Patterson actually wrote about having 6 to 8 Mag-10 drinks per day, one or two days a week, as a fat loss plan:
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/mag-10-pulse-fast
The only thing I’d note, might be a detail or sidetrack, is that when using Plazma specifically (not necessarily Mag-10), you do want to be sure to mix it with at least 16oz of water to make optimal use of the hydration benefits.
I use several old glass jars from sauerkraut and pickles. Just be sure to wash thoroughly… several times… and thoroughly. 
The Nalgene bottles are also available individually here: https://biotest.t-nation.com/products/nalgene-bottle-1000-ml
And a 2000ml bottle here: Nalgene Bottles – T Nation Biotest
Add this to the list of books/researchers that caution about excessive intake of protein. They cite a number of studies on animals and insects which show that reproductive fitness declines if protein is too low, and longevity declines if protein is too high. They think the sweet spot for humans is 15-20% of calories from protein. Higher for young and old, lower for middle age.
Don’t you think certain animals live longer is due more to genetics than what than what they eat…its nature being perfect…imho
I’m pretty convinced that it’s all genetic. My great grandparents on my moms side took great care of themselves, ate healthy and exercised and were in great shape yet they didn’t live as long as my grandparents on my dads side. My grandparents on my dads side have diabetes, high blood pressure, and they just keep on chugging. I think doing everything possible right may net you some extra time and improve your quality of life, but the length of your life will be dictated by your genetics (barring some kind of freak accident or murder of course). Obviously this isn’t based on a study or anything, just observation.
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The best and most honest study of all !
Lots of complex reasons why different species have different life spans. But the studies of interest are how varying diet affects longevity and fitness for a specific species at its present state of evolution. Many species naturally adjust food choices to keep protein in a narrow range. When forced to eat outside that range, there seem to be measurable consequences. Some think this has implications for humans…
Within any given population sample, there will be individual variations in life span due to genetics. But if you average out genetic contributions over a large enough sample, then how is average life span influenced by life style factors? Seems pretty evident that there are things that lower that average - smoking, excessive alcohol intake, obesity, not wearing seatbelts, etc. It would be nice to know if there are other things that raise the average. Obviously, no one is guaranteed anything. But placing bets on things with favorable odds isn’t a bad strategy most of the time.
I was talking about the different species of animals…a tortoise lives 200 years because of the genetic makeup, not because they eat plants…a tiger lives 10 years, not because they eat meat but because of the genetic makeup…even small dogs live longer than large dogs, it’s genetic…i agree, when it comes to us humans, there are a million other factors that come into play
A cell has a certain limit as to how many times it can divide/multiply. Life is dictated by the length of our telomers according to cellular biology. As far as I’ve been taught, because of the above - the only way to prolong life - is to lower your metabolism. Namely, eat less to burn less. The question is how close or less than basal metabolism.
Not very bodybuilding - but again - the body does not need excess muscle anyway.
Trying to get as fit and muscular - I am appearantly shooting myself in the foot, in terms of lifespan!
This is pretty much my view on things.
My father lived to be 94 (very active until about 92-93). He had a mild heart attack in his 50s as his triglycerides were very high (400) from processed whites carbs and sugar. He also smoked cigars. He gave all of that up afterward and lived much healthier; eating better, exercise (cardio). There are longevity genes on his side of the family, but had he not made lifestyle changes in his 50s, I don’t believe for a moment he would have lived to be 94. He would have very likely had continued cardiac issues staying that prior course shortening his lifespan.
I don’t think a typical modern “bodybuilding life” or very intense routines are positive for lifespan, but I do think working out is a positive for metabolism and being able to be active enough later in years. Jerry Brainum discussed studies about how many people in nursing homes are there from never exerting their muscles.
For the record, I totally agree with you and Al! Just wanted to bring forward a cellular mechanism that is the ultimate decider of life. Then again, what affects it?
Or is it more important to focus on factors that you actually can do something about? I would say so, and also put up front the mental health! It just seems to be more important these days, and may also affect your motivation to make other wise lifestyle choices.
I would rate manageable stress (mental health) as number one, diet second, excercise third. Above all avoid smoking!
In the elderly population excercise may be more important out of many aspects (sarcopenia, prevention of illness and falling, socially, meaningful activity, quality of life, drive the appetite etc.). Heck, I have even considered anabolic steroids as an aid in order to assist the above - unf no longer available for medical purposes here (Yes, I have been the responsible MD for several nursing homes over the past 15 years - one of my most important and rewarding duties over the years).
Btw, I’m not a supporter of AS as PEDs - A not very healthy choice in life. You just need to look at the pharma section on this site to see what I mean.
So, when my father reached about 92, his walking became a problem. He was struggling getting out of the chair, he was taking some falls (luckily nothing major), and his legs would give out on him or lose endurance going to the grocery store, for example… He was pretty slender/lean, but I tried and tried to get him physical therapy as they called it at his age to strengthen his legs/lower body. But he wanted no part of it. I tried to them get him a cane, but he wanted even less of that as he had too much pride.
Yah… seems to tie into the DNA theory of aging. Your body wears out, at a molecular level.
==Scott ==
I look at the Pharma section and it makes me ill. The fact that this site has a pharma section like it does has always turned me off to this site . Hey guys, I did another cycle of this or cycle of that like they’re debating between Fruit loops and Captain Crunch , ha ha! Ok now I know what is coming, if you don’t like it don’t look at it.!
I am with you on this hh32! Pride is the reason I had to engage in my father’s and father-in-law’s cases. I was the only one they trusted. Not very professional, but nevertheless the only way to prevent illness. I wish I could motivate them to excercise - but that is a too bitter pill to swallow, it seems.
Agree. I guess it’s all a matter of what’s normal within a given context (the pharma section). Noteworthy is the questions re side effects after failed attempts on AS, and also the degree of acceptance for TRT whenever it goes wrong. Also interesting to call it pharma, when most “supplements” likely is garage-made substances.
Why go onto a drug forum and read about it if it upsets you ?
The worse ‘drug’ I see today in the hands of everybody and being over used and mis-used are the God damn phones. They’ve become a serious crutch for too many people. You take the phone away where they can’t check texts, e-mail or their bull shit (anti ) social media groups and they want to put a shot gun in their mouths. I’m really close to quitting my gym that I really like because I cant put up with the people using benches and leg press machines to look at their phones which to them is as much of their ‘workout’ as doing the exercise the machine is made for. Only thing stopping me is I built a shop in my house where I used to train and have very limited space if I tried to train at home again.
The owners won’t set rules as they’d loose customers … most of them. When I complain and suggest they set a rule to ban phones in the gym they look at me like I’m asking them to require all women to workout topless.
I only had to fire people three times in 35 years … and those were all in the last five years because they couldn’t put their phones away. You might think I’m nuts and over reacting , but it is an addiction as bad as any drug.
On a site named Testosterone Nation which is focused on improving physiques and building strength, you’re gonna find some guys talking about using Testosterone to improve their physiques and build strength.
This is a gross oversimplification, bordering on complete misunderstanding. Like saying you wouldn’t eat food served out of the back of some guys car when the entire food truck industry exists.
Anyhow, as we’re drifting further and further from the initial topic here (fast-acting proteins), I suggest someone take the initiative to start a “Diet and Training for Health & Longevity” thread to continue the discussion elsewhere. It’s an interesting topic to itself and can generate more in-depth info on its own.
I’d be interested, interesting studies in the area,