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[quote]LoRez wrote:
Weird debate.

Learning how to do something and becoming better at it is very manly. Doesn’t really matter what it is, fashion or anything else.

Knowing how to present yourself, behave, dress, whatever, in order to reach certain goals and get better results out of life – including getting laid on the regular… still manly.

Just because society dictates you learn how to spell and use proper grammar doesn’t make you a ‘bitch’ or a ‘puppet’. It’s no different with changing the way you appear to others. You’re not conforming because you’re a bitch, you’re meeting certain standards because you get something out of it.[/quote]

I got a lot of help fashion-wise early on from girlfriends and I appreciate it to this day, but for what it’s worth the OP makes it sound less like constructive advice and more like her putting him down/bossing him around which isn’t cool. I think it’s a lot manlier to figure out you’re own look and wear what you want with confidence than to worry about whether you’re cool enough.

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[quote]theBeth wrote:
my fashion motto[/quote]

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
4. Buy this book from amazon ‘Esquire the Handbook of Style: A Man’s Guide to Looking Good’ it is litterally a little black book on fashion fundamentals and still my favorite. Learn the basics and then experiment until you find your own personal style. Stick with the two words ‘Timeless and effortless’ then personalize with some flare but never peacock.

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Do you have any book recommendations on ‘casual’ style? Or does this cover ‘casual’ too?

I only ask because as I’m still a student, I don’t have many chances to wear suits or anything that ‘dressed up.’

I can throw together a basic everyday outfit and look pretty good, but I’m always open for some new ideas. [/quote]

Covers the foundation for everything, suiting is only a small part. Get the book, you won’t regret it.
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You’re the man, Waittz! Thanks.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
4. Buy this book from amazon ‘Esquire the Handbook of Style: A Man’s Guide to Looking Good’ it is litterally a little black book on fashion fundamentals and still my favorite. Learn the basics and then experiment until you find your own personal style. Stick with the two words ‘Timeless and effortless’ then personalize with some flare but never peacock.

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Do you have any book recommendations on ‘casual’ style? Or does this cover ‘casual’ too?

I only ask because as I’m still a student, I don’t have many chances to wear suits or anything that ‘dressed up.’

I can throw together a basic everyday outfit and look pretty good, but I’m always open for some new ideas. [/quote]

Covers the foundation for everything, suiting is only a small part. Get the book, you won’t regret it.
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You’re the man, Waittz! Thanks.[/quote]

No worries man. When in doubt keep it simple, dark fitted denim, grey slim or athletic cut V-neck with a clean pair of sneakers(think white or grey chuck Taylor’s, not tennis shoes) and splurge on the watch. Boom instant casual like a boss my friend. Remember it’s all about the fit.

If I was a cartoon character destined to wear the same thing everyday for eternity, that is my outfit.

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[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
I posted this on my G+ account because some of the guys mentioned that I should start a thread but this would be okay. Just wanted to say this; I have some big quads and I can squeeze into Levis at my local Macys. If your thighs are bigger than mine, complain away. If they are not, then go to Macys. I don’t even wear baggy jeans or bootcut either, I wear straight and my thighs fit alright.

BTW, Im the one with the turquoise color laces and black Nike shorts.[/quote]

Congrats on having impressive quads. Now fuck off for being a lying sack of shit. Any straight cut Levis that would fit those thighs would have a waist practically in orbit.

I’m not big by any stretch of the imagination and I wear 34 relaxed cut. I would need 38s in straight cut to fit my legs and I could probably tuck a couple of five pound bags of flour in the waist if I was wearing 38s.

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Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?[/quote]

In theory, again get it tailored to a taper using darts in the back.

In application, no. Dress shirts(this is what it is called, a ‘button down’ is a type of dress shirt in which the collar has button holes to button it down to the shirt) are meant to be tucked in generally speaking. Some are purposely cut for casual wear to not be tucked in, you can tell the difference by the bottom. If it is flat or almost flat all the way around and shorter(few inches bellow the belt line) it is meant to be untucked.

It it has tails, or is longer in the front/back than the sides, or longer than just an inch or two bellow the belt line be a man and tuck in your shirt.

So yes, you can tailor in a loose shirt to look good both ways, since you usually tailor it to fit snugger in the waist or create a v taper. No you cant wear the same shirt tucked in/out without it looking off. Keep in mind the untrained eye will most likely not notice, but could tell that the proper way would look better if given the choice. The trained eye will think you are a doofus.

EDIT- funny how this has somehow turned into like a Q n A advice column. Almost as funny as how much i enjoy answering them.

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This thread ended up being pretty beneficial. I need to update my attire as I have lost some bf and my jeans that fit my legs well and only needed a belt to help hold up now look beyond retarded with a belt due to the excess room.

I’ve never used a tailor but I do plan on finding one in the not so distant future. Can a tailor take a good 5 inches out of a waist or is it better to just purchase new jeans?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?[/quote]

You have 2 options, you can buy a normal shirt and get it tailored, or buy a higher end shirt.

I prefer a higher end shirt, because they are already made with a V-taper that is more suited for someone who works out.

I have numerous Armani Collezioni shirts that are already tapered, and flatter your physique (assuming you’re body comp is in check).

They cost more, but the material is much better, the quality of craftsmanship is impeccable, and they just look better.

Both a Ferrari and Hyundai will get you from point A to point B effectively, but we all know which you will look better in.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?[/quote]

In theory, again get it tailored to a taper using darts in the back.

In application, no. Dress shirts(this is what it is called, a ‘button down’ is a type of dress shirt in which the collar has button holes to button it down to the shirt) are meant to be tucked in generally speaking. Some are purposely cut for casual wear to not be tucked in, you can tell the difference by the bottom. If it is flat or almost flat all the way around and shorter(few inches bellow the belt line) it is meant to be untucked.

It it has tails, or is longer in the front/back than the sides, or longer than just an inch or two bellow the belt line be a man and tuck in your shirt.

So yes, you can tailor in a loose shirt to look good both ways, since you usually tailor it to fit snugger in the waist or create a v taper. No you cant wear the same shirt tucked in/out without it looking off. Keep in mind the untrained eye will most likely not notice, but could tell that the proper way would look better if given the choice. The trained eye will think you are a doofus.

EDIT- funny how this has somehow turned into like a Q n A advice column. Almost as funny as how much i enjoy answering them. [/quote]

Also a nifty little tip for some manufacturers: if the slit for the bottom button is horizontal that means it should always be tucked in.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?[/quote]

In theory, again get it tailored to a taper using darts in the back.

In application, no. Dress shirts(this is what it is called, a ‘button down’ is a type of dress shirt in which the collar has button holes to button it down to the shirt) are meant to be tucked in generally speaking. Some are purposely cut for casual wear to not be tucked in, you can tell the difference by the bottom. If it is flat or almost flat all the way around and shorter(few inches bellow the belt line) it is meant to be untucked.

It it has tails, or is longer in the front/back than the sides, or longer than just an inch or two bellow the belt line be a man and tuck in your shirt.

So yes, you can tailor in a loose shirt to look good both ways, since you usually tailor it to fit snugger in the waist or create a v taper. No you cant wear the same shirt tucked in/out without it looking off. Keep in mind the untrained eye will most likely not notice, but could tell that the proper way would look better if given the choice. The trained eye will think you are a doofus.

EDIT- funny how this has somehow turned into like a Q n A advice column. Almost as funny as how much i enjoy answering them. [/quote]

Also a nifty little tip for some manufacturers: if the slit for the bottom button is horizontal that means it should always be tucked in. [/quote]

Very nice point. Some make the slit with a different color thread(banana republic stretch poplin comes to mind) so it would look funny if you didnt. Foring you to act dapper through subliminal messaging, brilliant.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
This thread ended up being pretty beneficial. I need to update my attire as I have lost some bf and my jeans that fit my legs well and only needed a belt to help hold up now look beyond retarded with a belt due to the excess room.

I’ve never used a tailor but I do plan on finding one in the not so distant future. Can a tailor take a good 5 inches out of a waist or is it better to just purchase new jeans?[/quote]

5 inches is wayyyy too much. The legs and butt will look like a parachute. Buy new.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is there a way to get a button down tailored to fit well when both tucked in or left hanging out? Or is that like trying to bulk and cut at the same time? Does it depend on the shirt/tailor?[/quote]

You have 2 options, you can buy a normal shirt and get it tailored, or buy a higher end shirt.

I prefer a higher end shirt, because they are already made with a V-taper that is more suited for someone who works out.

I have numerous Armani Collezioni shirts that are already tapered, and flatter your physique (assuming you’re body comp is in check).

They cost more, but the material is much better, the quality of craftsmanship is impeccable, and they just look better.

Both a Ferrari and Hyundai will get you from point A to point B effectively, but we all know which you will look better in.[/quote]

Tailoring a normal shirt or buying high end doenst dictate if it should be tucked or untucked.

Also just wanted to point out something, up until about 1-3 years back, the main difference between a ‘cheap’ and ‘high end designer’ shit was always cut and fit, not really material. Now a days alot of of the lower brands took notice, even some have people who used to work for the high end running the fit(JC Penny’s in house brand) and many protegies have left the fashion kings to start their own cheaper brands.

There isnt too much of a difference these days if you shop right. My mom always jokes and calls Neimen Marcus “Needless Markup”. The same is coming true for a lot of high end brands. We are in the era of fit. Were Express and Zara are making suits that fit like Hugo for under 500$. Its actually pretty cool.

Maximus makes a good point about durability though. More on the craftsmanship and stitching, which means a good suit from ole Nazi loving Hugo if taken care of could last you a decade where Zara might not survive one of those annual trips to the dry cleaners.

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Waittz, have you ever, or would you ever wear a sports jersey in public or otherwise while not playing said sport? I bought that Esquire book and can get on board with a lot of it, but I WILL wear my Jamaal Charles jersey on Sundays. Also, do you own t-shirts that have anything on them or are you against all that? I’m pretty sure that if I looked through my closet 75% of my shirts would be grey and have Jayhawks all over them.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Waittz, have you ever, or would you ever wear a sports jersey in public or otherwise while not playing said sport? I bought that Esquire book and can get on board with a lot of it, but I WILL wear my Jamaal Charles jersey on Sundays. Also, do you own t-shirts that have anything on them or are you against all that? I’m pretty sure that if I looked through my closet 75% of my shirts would be grey and have Jayhawks all over them.[/quote]

The last part of your question is the answer to your question. Lose the jersey, as a rule of thumb the only acceptable place to wear a jersey is at a sporting event, bars dont count. Best thing to wear on sunday is a vintage or simple logo/team name shirt that fits well with a jacket or hoodie in a solid color in coolor weather.

As to everyday wear, I generally stick to plan and solid colors, namely v-necks as they just look better than crew on my build. Any kind of graphic T that i would or do wear usually has some rock and roll element to it, never a ‘fashion’ element. As always, shoot for “effortless” and “timeless”. And a hole or stain in your shirt is the wrong kind of effortless I am talking about.

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For reference, this is one of maybe 2-3 shirts I even own that are not just solid grey/blue v-necks. This is the tightest and most ‘graphic’ you can go before you venture into douchy territory. This is in full reference to my rant on that other thread :smiley:

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Waittz, have you ever, or would you ever wear a sports jersey in public or otherwise while not playing said sport? I bought that Esquire book and can get on board with a lot of it, but I WILL wear my Jamaal Charles jersey on Sundays. Also, do you own t-shirts that have anything on them or are you against all that? I’m pretty sure that if I looked through my closet 75% of my shirts would be grey and have Jayhawks all over them.[/quote]

The last part of your question is the answer to your question. Lose the jersey, as a rule of thumb the only acceptable place to wear a jersey is at a sporting event, bars dont count. Best thing to wear on sunday is a vintage or simple logo/team name shirt that fits well with a jacket or hoodie in a solid color in coolor weather.

As to everyday wear, I generally stick to plan and solid colors, namely v-necks as they just look better than crew on my build. Any kind of graphic T that i would or do wear usually has some rock and roll element to it, never a ‘fashion’ element. As always, shoot for “effortless” and “timeless”. And a hole or stain in your shirt is the wrong kind of effortless I am talking about. [/quote]

I figured you would say something like that. I usually just wear it around the house but I like wearing it out since I’ve moved to get some people riled up. It looks extra ridiculous because it’s a 2X since at Arrowhead it was always worn over a hoodie or several layers.

What’s up with the personal care section? They want me to have a huge bush. I don’t need my pubes fighting for real estate with my ween.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Waittz, have you ever, or would you ever wear a sports jersey in public or otherwise while not playing said sport? I bought that Esquire book and can get on board with a lot of it, but I WILL wear my Jamaal Charles jersey on Sundays. Also, do you own t-shirts that have anything on them or are you against all that? I’m pretty sure that if I looked through my closet 75% of my shirts would be grey and have Jayhawks all over them.[/quote]

The last part of your question is the answer to your question. Lose the jersey, as a rule of thumb the only acceptable place to wear a jersey is at a sporting event, bars dont count. Best thing to wear on sunday is a vintage or simple logo/team name shirt that fits well with a jacket or hoodie in a solid color in coolor weather.

As to everyday wear, I generally stick to plan and solid colors, namely v-necks as they just look better than crew on my build. Any kind of graphic T that i would or do wear usually has some rock and roll element to it, never a ‘fashion’ element. As always, shoot for “effortless” and “timeless”. And a hole or stain in your shirt is the wrong kind of effortless I am talking about. [/quote]

I figured you would say something like that. I usually just wear it around the house but I like wearing it out since I’ve moved to get some people riled up. It looks extra ridiculous because it’s a 2X since at Arrowhead it was always worn over a hoodie or several layers.

What’s up with the personal care section? They want me to have a huge bush. I don’t need my pubes fighting for real estate with my ween.
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lol I dont remember, read that book years ago. Just take a beard trimmer to the boys every few weeks and your fine. Dont be carving a Superman S into it or anything but for sure manscaping is a must.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
For reference, this is one of maybe 2-3 shirts I even own that are not just solid grey/blue v-necks. This is the tightest and most ‘graphic’ you can go before you venture into douchy territory. This is in full reference to my rant on that other thread :D[/quote]

Is your hair blown out there?

I’m glad you brought that up. The whole shirt exposing my stomach thing makes things very difficult for me. I’m 6’1" all torso, with short arms and legs–respectively, and pectus excavatum. Because of this I need a large in the shoulders, medium through the chest and waist, and probably XL in length. My best bet, oddly enough, is cheap Mossimo (I think) v-necks from Target. But only some years are long enough, it changes all the time. Used to bother me a lot, don’t really care any more though. Part of that whole “growing up” thing I guess.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Waittz, have you ever, or would you ever wear a sports jersey in public or otherwise while not playing said sport? I bought that Esquire book and can get on board with a lot of it, but I WILL wear my Jamaal Charles jersey on Sundays. Also, do you own t-shirts that have anything on them or are you against all that? I’m pretty sure that if I looked through my closet 75% of my shirts would be grey and have Jayhawks all over them.[/quote]

The last part of your question is the answer to your question. Lose the jersey, as a rule of thumb the only acceptable place to wear a jersey is at a sporting event, bars dont count. Best thing to wear on sunday is a vintage or simple logo/team name shirt that fits well with a jacket or hoodie in a solid color in coolor weather.

As to everyday wear, I generally stick to plan and solid colors, namely v-necks as they just look better than crew on my build. Any kind of graphic T that i would or do wear usually has some rock and roll element to it, never a ‘fashion’ element. As always, shoot for “effortless” and “timeless”. And a hole or stain in your shirt is the wrong kind of effortless I am talking about. [/quote]

I figured you would say something like that. I usually just wear it around the house but I like wearing it out since I’ve moved to get some people riled up. It looks extra ridiculous because it’s a 2X since at Arrowhead it was always worn over a hoodie or several layers.

What’s up with the personal care section? They want me to have a huge bush. I don’t need my pubes fighting for real estate with my ween.
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lol I dont remember, read that book years ago. Just take a beard trimmer to the boys every few weeks and your fine. Dont be carving a Superman S into it or anything but for sure manscaping is a must. [/quote]

Haha, I did carve something into it once. It got a pretty good response.