Fashion Help

[Waittz]

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

[jbpick86]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

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I have got to get better versed in my tie knots. I don’t have to wear a tie very much and can only really tie a four-in-hand with any consistency. Need to learn a Windsor. I also need to get better versed on sleeve lengths and suits per occasion. I had some of that down at one point but I am a little out of practice as my current office is very casual so most days for me its chinos, a polo and some loafers.

I am in the process of jeans shopping myself as my 527’s no longer really fit correctly in the back, Used to wear BKE but they have went full on Ed Hardy/Affliction with most of their styles so going to try and stay within Levi. I just cannot get with the skinny jean thing, which my wife dislikes them also so that works out for me. There is definitely a southern boy uniform mold that most of us follow with boot cut jeans (slimmer thru the quad and boot, cowboy boots and shirt by occasion (nicer=more buttons)

[jbpick86]

And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.

[flipcollar]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

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I meant in the sense of your ‘10 year’ premise. He’s not doing things fashion-wise that are going to be laughable in ten years. At least to the untrained eye. Whereas people like Russell Westbrook will look ridiculous in ten years (assuming you don’t think he looks ridiculous now). Those minor mistakes you mentioned will go completely unnoticed to the untrained eye.

[Waittz]

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you.

[Waittz]

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

[/quote]

I meant in the sense of your ‘10 year’ premise. He’s not doing things fashion-wise that are going to be laughable in ten years. At least to the untrained eye. Whereas people like Russell Westbrook will look ridiculous in ten years (assuming you don’t think he looks ridiculous now). Those minor mistakes you mentioned will go completely unnoticed to the untrained eye.[/quote]

Yup. Im ragging on the details but JT is putting together some solid looks these days, BUT as far as his lifetime body of work…lets just say he has some sins to atone for

EDIT- Russel Westbrooke is a clown and dresses like a 15 year old kid from San Fran. Grown men should not wear backpacks to press conferences…yeah you too Durant.

[jbpick86]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you. [/quote]

So would you be in agreement that the 511 (when appropriately fitted and not worn to small) is about as skinny as a man should ever go? Not really my personal style but I think that is getting to the limits of acceptably skinny for a man.

[Waittz]

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you. [/quote]

So would you be in agreement that the 511 (when appropriately fitted and not worn to small) is about as skinny as a man should ever go? Not really my personal style but I think that is getting to the limits of acceptably skinny for a man. [/quote]

Never tried on a pair but it all depends on the individual. Someone who never squats/lifts may put the pair on and it fit perfect, someone like Bauber might buy it 4 sizes to big and have to use scissors to get out of it.

When you can no longer fit your phone, a money clip or streamlined keychain in your front pocket without it being a struggle you have hit too slim zone.

[jbpick86]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you. [/quote]

So would you be in agreement that the 511 (when appropriately fitted and not worn to small) is about as skinny as a man should ever go? Not really my personal style but I think that is getting to the limits of acceptably skinny for a man. [/quote]

Never tried on a pair but it all depends on the individual. Someone who never squats/lifts may put the pair on and it fit perfect, someone like Bauber might buy it 4 sizes to big and have to use scissors to get out of it.

When you can no longer fit your phone, a money clip or streamlined keychain in your front pocket without it being a struggle you have hit too slim zone. [/quote]

You seem to have a pretty good knowledge of clothes in general so I’ll ask you, I am switching from my 527’s (low rise, slim fit, boot cut) because they are just to freaking small. What brands do I need to be looking at that have a Low rise, boot cut jean in a regular fit?

[orion]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Weird debate.

Learning how to do something and becoming better at it is very manly. Doesn’t really matter what it is, fashion or anything else.

Knowing how to present yourself, behave, dress, whatever, in order to reach certain goals and get better results out of life – including getting laid on the regular… still manly.

Just because society dictates you learn how to spell and use proper grammar doesn’t make you a ‘bitch’ or a ‘puppet’. It’s no different with changing the way you appear to others. You’re not conforming because you’re a bitch, you’re meeting certain standards because you get something out of it.[/quote]

You are spot on amigo. I’m willing to bet anybody ragging on the OP for wanting to dress better for this chick is wearing a pair of Wranglers or 90’s stonewashed Dad jeans from bin at Walmart.

Also from a historical standpoint fashion and grooming has always been a sign of power so this whole ‘fashion is girlyand ghey’ is just strange.

P.S. guys don’t feel bad, most American women are clueless about style too, it’s pretty bad. [/quote]

The debate whether it is manly to look good was settled long ago by the gentleman above.

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Orion is that the Duke of Windsor in his younger years? I dont really recall that face. [/quote]

O_O

[LoRez]

Cary Grant.

[Waittz]

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Cary Grant.[/quote]

Ill chock that one up to me being 27.

[Waittz]

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you. [/quote]

So would you be in agreement that the 511 (when appropriately fitted and not worn to small) is about as skinny as a man should ever go? Not really my personal style but I think that is getting to the limits of acceptably skinny for a man. [/quote]

Never tried on a pair but it all depends on the individual. Someone who never squats/lifts may put the pair on and it fit perfect, someone like Bauber might buy it 4 sizes to big and have to use scissors to get out of it.

When you can no longer fit your phone, a money clip or streamlined keychain in your front pocket without it being a struggle you have hit too slim zone. [/quote]

You seem to have a pretty good knowledge of clothes in general so I’ll ask you, I am switching from my 527’s (low rise, slim fit, boot cut) because they are just to freaking small. What brands do I need to be looking at that have a Low rise, boot cut jean in a regular fit?[/quote]

Asking me to recomend a pair of bootcut jeans is like asking Orion the best way to pedestal a woman.

Straight fit will accomodate boots. I mentioned it before my favorite brands are 7’s, Joe’s Jeans and AG.

[flipcollar]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

[/quote]

I meant in the sense of your ‘10 year’ premise. He’s not doing things fashion-wise that are going to be laughable in ten years. At least to the untrained eye. Whereas people like Russell Westbrook will look ridiculous in ten years (assuming you don’t think he looks ridiculous now). Those minor mistakes you mentioned will go completely unnoticed to the untrained eye.[/quote]

Yup. Im ragging on the details but JT is putting together some solid looks these days, BUT as far as his lifetime body of work…lets just say he has some sins to atone for

EDIT- Russel Westbrooke is a clown and dresses like a 15 year old kid from San Fran. Grown men should not wear backpacks to press conferences…yeah you too Durant. [/quote]

Yea I guess I assumed that we both knew we were talking about a more current incarnation of Justin Timberlake. Timberlake in his teens/early 20’s was obviously terrible. I’m pretty sure if you want to go that route, I can find some ridiculous pictures of Joseph Gordon Levitt as well. Can we talk about the 3rd Rock days? Everybody gets a pass for their early years.

[Waittz]

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I would say the best part of men’s fashion is that you never really have to follow trends. Like Waittz says, learn the fundamentals and then add maybe 1 or 2 things that make it yours. A caveat though, make sure you know the fundamentals before you start adding your flare or you start looking silly.[/quote]

Yes sir. The term trend implies a temporary state. If your outfit will not look good in a photo 10 years from now or 10 years prior it isnt a good outfit. Think Steve McQueen, in just about any picture you see him dressed it looked good then and would still look good now.

Some current guys just crushing it are Ryan Gosling and Joseph Gordon Levitt. [/quote]

Also Justin Timberlake.
[/quote]

Cant agree, he makes some pretty minor fashion transgressions that I cant overlook. The details that is. Wrong tie knots for his collar spread, wearing a tie bar when the top button isnt fastended, wears vests too long that cover the belt, takes too many gambles with no regards to setting etc. When GQ or a director dreses him he does well, but on his own he fuddles the details.

[/quote]

I meant in the sense of your ‘10 year’ premise. He’s not doing things fashion-wise that are going to be laughable in ten years. At least to the untrained eye. Whereas people like Russell Westbrook will look ridiculous in ten years (assuming you don’t think he looks ridiculous now). Those minor mistakes you mentioned will go completely unnoticed to the untrained eye.[/quote]

Yup. Im ragging on the details but JT is putting together some solid looks these days, BUT as far as his lifetime body of work…lets just say he has some sins to atone for

EDIT- Russel Westbrooke is a clown and dresses like a 15 year old kid from San Fran. Grown men should not wear backpacks to press conferences…yeah you too Durant. [/quote]

Yea I guess I assumed that we both knew we were talking about a more current incarnation of Justin Timberlake. Timberlake in his teens/early 20’s was obviously terrible. I’m pretty sure if you want to go that route, I can find some ridiculous pictures of Joseph Gordon Levitt as well. Can we talk about the 3rd Rock days? Everybody gets a pass for their early years.[/quote]

After he lost the kurt kobain hair from the early seasons he finished the 90’s pretty well

[jbpick86]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
And Waittz to your point about looking good 10 years prior and 10 years from now, I cant help but think that the super skinny jeans that are tight all the way to the ankle are going to be looked at the same way as other “What were you thinking” fashion trends. Maybe I am wrong but they just do not come off to me as Classic style the way a pair of 505 or 501s does. Those are still fairly slim fitting jeans, however you just don’t look like you put your girlfriends pants on.[/quote]

This may blow your mind but the majority of the time you see hipsters or skinny kids wearing ‘super skinny jeans’ you need to realize they are wearing womens jeans. Totally serious here. Jeans should hug you, not rape you. [/quote]

So would you be in agreement that the 511 (when appropriately fitted and not worn to small) is about as skinny as a man should ever go? Not really my personal style but I think that is getting to the limits of acceptably skinny for a man. [/quote]

Never tried on a pair but it all depends on the individual. Someone who never squats/lifts may put the pair on and it fit perfect, someone like Bauber might buy it 4 sizes to big and have to use scissors to get out of it.

When you can no longer fit your phone, a money clip or streamlined keychain in your front pocket without it being a struggle you have hit too slim zone. [/quote]

You seem to have a pretty good knowledge of clothes in general so I’ll ask you, I am switching from my 527’s (low rise, slim fit, boot cut) because they are just to freaking small. What brands do I need to be looking at that have a Low rise, boot cut jean in a regular fit?[/quote]

Asking me to recomend a pair of bootcut jeans is like asking Orion the best way to pedestal a woman.

Straight fit will accomodate boots. I mentioned it before my favorite brands are 7’s, Joe’s Jeans and AG.
[/quote]

Ha fair enough. I don’t mind straight leg, its just not my usual style. If enough time passes and I cant find a suitable replacement brand/style then I may revert back to a straight leg.

[orion]

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Cary Grant.[/quote]

Ill chock that one up to me being 27. [/quote]

That is being unaware of your own culture.

If you watch him and dont take anything away from it, thats on you.

Well, maybe he does not click with you.

Maybe Spencer Tracy will.

Not too long ago, men behaved like men and that did not translate into obnoxious, tatted out assholes.

Plus, you could of course spend your tv time with shitty reruns of Friends or whatnot, or maybe you download, or Netflix or whatever it is the cool kids do these days and watch how it is done by men who have not even the idea that a shadow of a doubt could exist that balls are a good thing.

Its like black and white testosterone.

For our black brethren:

Sidney Poitier and, more specifically, “In the Heat of the Night”.

One bitch slap where it counts, means more than a lifetime of bitching and moaning about the patriarcha…, wait thats not you…

[system]

[quote]mattyg24 wrote:
I have a size 31 waist and can’t fit into skinny jeans or stylish pants because my quads are too big. Help

Any suggestions?

I currently wear only loose fit or boot cut jeans but I’ve started seeing a girl who is a model and she wants me to dress cooler so I don’t bring down her rep. Not the worst problem to be having but any advice is good advice.[/quote]

Go have your clothes made.

I am very tall and have had to do this basically my entire adult life.

Call a suit guy that does custom suits and see if they do blue jeans.

[system]

http://www.makeyourownjeans.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

Google is your friend.

[jbpick86]

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Cary Grant.[/quote]

Ill chock that one up to me being 27. [/quote]

That is being unaware of your own culture.

If you watch him and dont take anything away from it, thats on you.

Well, maybe he does not click with you.

Maybe Spencer Tracy will.

Not too long ago, men behaved like men and that did not translate into obnoxious, tatted out assholes.

Plus, you could of course spend your tv time with shitty reruns of Friends or whatnot, or maybe you download, or Netflix or whatever it is the cool kids do these days and watch how it is done by men who have not even the idea that a shadow of a doubt could exist that balls are a good thing.

Its like black and white testosterone.

For our black brethren:

Sidney Poitier and, more specifically, “In the Heat of the Night”.

One bitch slap where it counts, means more than a lifetime of bitching and moaning about the patriarcha…, wait thats not you…

[/quote]

It is a sappy chick flick I know, but I really do think the writing mixed with Grant’s delivery in “An Affair to Remember” is some of the best ever. Watched that with my wife and I spent the whole time thinking “That has to be one of the coolest men who ever lived”