Farmers Log

Training Over 35 Lifter
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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I think the dropping under is because as the weight gets heavier you won’t be able to lift it so high, so you have to get under it lower down. Even though I could powersnatch the weights I’m using I’m trying to learn to catch it lower for later on, but it’s not really happening for me right now. I will persist.

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Yes. I know this. What I meant was if you can snatch without a deep squat, then why even bother with the descent? You probably do need more weight on the bar to necessitate getting under it in the squat position. Does that make sense? Oh. I sent you a PM.[/quote]

Right, I might be getting it wrong again here. I think you bother with the descent even though you have essentially made the lift (I mean you could just lock out the knees and stand up to complete it) to get used to the movement of a full snatch. The teaching pattern is to start with the powersnatch, then progress to a powersnatch immediately followed by drop into a squat and then hopefully you speed that up until the snatch and subsequent squat run into one fluid movement and that is supposed to teach you to drop under the bar. In theory. I think.

902

Different coaches seem to teach the lifts differently. Each way seems to me to have its pros and cons. I learned the way you are suggesting (powersnatch → powersnatch to squat → snatch). Some people do think that you simply will learn to drop under at heavier weights. That might be the case… But it might be the case that learning to descend quickly into a tight bottom position will help that process along.

I think that might particularly be the case for you because you seem to be shifting the weight to the balls of your feet when you do catch it lower rather than catching with the weight on your heels (In your vids your heels seem to come off the ground). That is an unstable catch position, basically, and it might explain why your body is reluctant to drop under the bar.

I really did think that Oly shoes would solve that for you (I’ve seen that happen with other people) but… Maybe you do need some more mobility work for overhead squatting. I’ve heard the best way to mobilize the squat is to squat. So overhead squats might help and then:

Drop snatch.

(Start with the bar high on your back with a snatch grip then drop yourself under it so you catch it with arms extended).
This is the best example of it I have seen:

It teaches you to drop yourself under the bar. I started this with just the bar.

Then one can progress to

Hang snatch.

Which teaches you to drop yourself under the bar after using hip drive.

Then pull from the floor for a full snatch.

YMMV.

903

Nice snatches and front squats. I must say you have one of the most diverse playlists ever, throw in some country music and you’ve got the basic covered.

904

Great PR Brett! and the thumb happened on the last rep of the last set.

905

Alexus - I’m off snatching right now until my shoulder is better. When I get back to it, I might just stick to powersnatches. All this struggling to full snatch is taking away all the fun and pleasure I was getting out of it.

dday - Thanks. I’ve got thousands of songs on my laptop and country is probably the only genre I don’t have on there. Oh wait I think I’ve got Kenny Roger’s The Gambler.

George - You were right. Your prize is in the post.

12/05/2011

Was meant to do hill sprints tonight, but after last night’s front squas I can barely walk, let alone run, so just the shoulder rehab circuit.

DB Cuban rotations
Band external rotations
Band pull aparts
Band dislocates
Band press

15 reps x 3 sets of each.

906

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
BB - France was definitely a consideration, but they have some weird inheritance laws that bypass spouses and go directly to kids. It means if my wife were to die her kids could claim her half of the house and force me to sell up. Apparently you can get around it by buying the house as a ‘company’, but that and the fact that the French are sick to death of the English buying up their villages puts me off.
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France? Really? You’re English! Isn’t it like illegal, or something, for someone from England to move to France? Other than to invade or save them, of course. I would think they would revoke your English citizenship, take your property and titles (hereditary and/or honorary) and scrub the books of any mention of you…just for considering it!

I am pretty sure that my mother’s ex, who is English, would rather be drawn and quartered, than move to France.

Oh… And I am sorry to hear about the shoulder issues. I can commiserate. Take care of it!

907

[quote]LittleStrick wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
BB - France was definitely a consideration, but they have some weird inheritance laws that bypass spouses and go directly to kids. It means if my wife were to die her kids could claim her half of the house and force me to sell up. Apparently you can get around it by buying the house as a ‘company’, but that and the fact that the French are sick to death of the English buying up their villages puts me off.
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France? Really? You’re English! Isn’t it like illegal, or something, for someone from England to move to France? Other than to invade or save them, of course. I would think they would revoke your English citizenship, take your property and titles (hereditary and/or honorary) and scrub the books of any mention of you…just for considering it!

I am pretty sure that my mother’s ex, who is English, would rather be drawn and quartered, than move to France.

Oh… And I am sorry to hear about the shoulder issues. I can commiserate. Take care of it![/quote]

LS - England has a love/hate relationship with France, but it’s quite good natured, there’s no real animosity. In polls of the best places to live in the world, France always comes out very near the top.

13/05/2011

20 rep squat @ 308 lbs x 15!!!

Leg curls @ 95 lbs x 6-6-6-6-6

Shoulder rehab x 3 circuits of

Pull up retractions x 15
Barbell shrug ups x 15
Push ups plus x 15 (had to do them off knees because my shoulder is so weak)
Posterior capsule stretch x 10

Because I can’t snatch my lifting has lost a bit of focus, so I thought I’d just try something different for a change. I haven’t done 20 rep squats for years. The 308 works out at 1.48 x bodyweight. I could have probably squeezed out 17, but I wimped out because my wrists were killing me. I’m going to up it to 313 lbs so it’s exactly 1.5 x bw and have another crack on Monday. I’m determined to get it.

^ 100 seconds of hell!!!

908

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

LS - England has a love/hate relationship with France, but it’s quite good natured, there’s no real animosity. In polls of the best places to live in the world, France always comes out very near the top.

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and just for the historical accuracy, Scotland has had a love/love relationship with France since the start of the Auld Alliance in 1295. This love-in included dual Scottish/French Nationality (even after Scotland was part of Britain as of 1707) for all citizens. This was only revoked in 1903.

Claret was the drink of choice for Scotlands common man for centuries as a result.

909

Good natured, you say. Apparently my Mom’s ex didn’t get that memo. He is a very rational man, except with regards to the French…lol.
Although, from what I have been able to glean, it doesn’t seem to be the French that are the problem, but Parisians, specifically.

Brutal squats. Nothing like a little self torture.

910

Those squats are really impressive. I’m a bit embarrassed to admit it, but I can’t even do a raw single at 1.5x BW. I’d like a show of hands of how many people on here can do 20 squats at 1.5x BW. Not many, I would guess. That’s a cool goal, Brett.

911

i’m sorry that you are having trouble with your shoulder.

your squats are very impressive. i’m still working on obtaining a bodyweight squat for a 1RM never mind doing it for reps… and of course the weight you are throwing around with your snatches is really impressive, too. i am jealous of people being so much stronger than me… but of course they have sucked it up and put in the hard work over the years. i’m a bit of a wuss / a bit fickle when it comes to squats. hopefully i’ll get stronger one day :-/

912

Strick - They were painful that’s for sure, but I’m looking forward to having a crack again tomorrow.

KP - Thanks. I think State record holders should not be embarassed about anything. You are the best squatter of your age and weight in a state of 5 million people. (I Googled it).

Alexus - I count myself very fortunate that from day one I’ve loved squats. I admire people who still do them despite hating them. I don’t force myself to do the things I hate, like ab work or arm work. I guess you’re just going to have to learn to love 'em.

15/05/2011

Shoulder rehab x 3 circuits

Incline DB retractions x 15
Prone “Y’s” x 15
Prone internal rotations x 15

Don’t normally workout on the weekends, but wanted to follow this rehab to the letter. Almost (not quite) had my first shoulder pain free night last night. Only been doing it a week, I’m not sure if it’s the rehab stuff or the upper body rest that seems to be working. Hopefully two weeks of this and I should be right.

913

The squats look brutal. One day when I don’t have to work, or walk, for a few days I may try that.
As for France, the good French left, went to the Acadia regions of Canada, left during the great expulsion (by the British) for Louisiana, corrected numerous flaws in french cooking, love making, and the langauge, and voila, Cajuns were born. Least ways that’s how I was taught history. No bias.
Heal up.

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France? Really? You’re English! Isn’t it like illegal, or something, for someone from England to move to France? Other than to invade or save them, of course. I would think they would revoke your English citizenship, take your property and titles (hereditary and/or honorary) and scrub the books of any mention of you…just for considering it!

I am pretty sure that my mother’s ex, who is English, would rather be drawn and quartered, than move to France.

Going to france is cool as long as you take a longbow !!

Actually off to france on holiday in a few weeks time and definitely taking my bow as there is an archery range on the camp and its nice to show the continentals what a real bow looks like. !!

915

[quote]hel320 wrote:
The squats look brutal. One day when I don’t have to work, or walk, for a few days I may try that.
As for France, the good French left, went to the Acadia regions of Canada, left during the great expulsion (by the British) for Louisiana, corrected numerous flaws in french cooking, love making, and the langauge, and voila, Cajuns were born. Least ways that’s how I was taught history. No bias.
Heal up. [/quote]

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The very best parts of France live four hours from my house.

Those squats at 308 are brutal, you sir, are indeed the man for even trying that.

916

Harry, Joe - Thanks

Big nurse - What sort of camping?, tent, caravan or campervan?. If we ever sell our house we are going to do a campervan tour of France, using Aires.

16/05/2011

20 rep squats @ 308 lbs x 20! (hooray)

Leg curls @ 80 lbs x 10-10-10

shoulder rehab x 3 circuits

EQI push up x 30 seconds
Prone “T’s” x 15
Plate halos x 7 clockwise and anti-clockwise

Probably one of the hardest sets I’ve ever done. Real ‘mind over matter’ stuff. Every rep past 15 was a struggle.

917

You are such a glutton for punishment. But a very impressive one. And I think I’ve said it before, but you’re one of those rare lifters who seems able to hold good form even when past the point of being physically taxed.

918

Camping–definitely tent but a big classic nordic tentipi and a big tarp to live under during the day.

Main site we use is arnaoutchot down on the biscay coast near the spanish border.

I do like the whole ‘aire’ thing down there, very sorted, we usually bivvi at an aire going down if we do the drive at night.

Really looking forwad to it…only 4 weeks away now

919

Thanks KP.

I have just had a brief glimpse into hell people and trust me, you do not want to go there.

This epiphany occurred the exact second my physiotherapist’s elbows came into contact with my lubricated IT band. It was f###ing excruciating!!. I smugly explained to him beforehand that I knew a thing or two about physiology and that my IT bands would be fine because I regularly foam roll them, but because of how my quads stick out I’d apparently been missing the IT band and just rolling my outer quads. This was a real ‘eye opener’ to me, shortly followed by a ‘teeth gritter’ and finally another ‘eye opener’ to release the build up of tears.

Anyway, he concluded my left knee is jumper’s knee (straight forward overuse, just rest) and the right patello femoral syndrome caused by tight IT band and weak gluteus medius. He said my hams were very flexible and my glute activation was fine. I’d’ve been astonished if my glutes weren’t firing because I have a massive butt. Oh and I’m slightly flat footed, but not enough to be worth correcting.

So I have some one legged squats to do daily (3 x 10 reps) on a decline and some ‘clams’, laying on your side, knees bent and opening the top leg while keeping the pelvis still and some IT band stretches. I’ll have another go at foam rolling them tonight and see if I can hit the right place.

So lead good lives people, treat other people kind and do good deeds and above all stretch your IT bands.

920

Live long and prosper mr brett !!