I am trying to figure out how to get an exact mg dose while factoring in the ester. Lets say I got Test Cyp, Ive heard its oily as shit want to know how many ml to draw to get exactley my desired mg
250mg/ml
ester weight is included in the concentration. so 1ml would have 250mg of test + ester
Don’t overthink this.
For the sake of simplicity, you’ll still be drawing in 1mL increments with the occasional extra or separate 0.5mL here and there. And you’ll use these round numbers because you’re always drawing from total volume of 2mL, 10mL etc
But to actually answer your question, you’ll need to subtract the molecular weight of the ester from the molecular weight of the total compound. I think cypionate is C8 H14 O2 and that ester’s weight gets subtracted from the molecular weight of the test cyp molecule.
You can look up the exact numbers and crunch them if you want, but there’s simply no need to do so.
You’ve heard it’s “oily as shit” ??
What are you dense? What’d you think an oil based steroid was going to be? Dry and sticky?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
You’ve heard it’s “oily as shit” ??
What are you dense? What’d you think an oil based steroid was going to be? Dry and sticky?[/quote]
Bonez your a little testy arent you.
No I thought the gear would be in gatorade.I know its in oil,But like I said I have heard this stuff is oily as shit compared to other gear.They add more BA and oil then overseas gear.
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
You’ve heard it’s “oily as shit” ??
What are you dense? What’d you think an oil based steroid was going to be? Dry and sticky?
Bonez your a little testy arent you.
No I thought the gear would be in gatorade.I know its in oil,But like I said I have heard this stuff is oily as shit compared to other gear.These stealth lab guys ad more BA and oil then overseas gear.[/quote]
No, I’m not testy. Youre just dense.
BA is alcohol. Is alcohol oily?
Is olive oil more oily than vegetable or grapeseed? You just don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s making you sound foolish.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
You’ve heard it’s “oily as shit” ??
What are you dense? What’d you think an oil based steroid was going to be? Dry and sticky?
Bonez your a little testy arent you.
No I thought the gear would be in gatorade.I know its in oil,But like I said I have heard this stuff is oily as shit compared to other gear.These stealth lab guys ad more BA and oil then overseas gear.
No, I’m not testy. Youre just dense.
BA is alcohol. Is alcohol oily?
Is olive oil more oily than vegetable or grapeseed? You just don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s making you sound foolish. [/quote]
Well enough, I got this gear from a friend of mine who has been fighting in iraq for over 5 years and using AAS and HGH almost the whole time.We were talking about it and he said that this tuff was alot oilier than stuff he had used in the past.
forgive me for sounding foolish Im just trying to figure out if I will have to draw more than 2ml to get 500mg.Not that the oil effects that but it was on my mind.
Molecular weight of the cypionate ester is 132.1184. 250mg of Test C is roughly 70% actual testosterone which means each 250mg of Test C contains 175mg of actual Testosterone base.
No need for the fighting, children.
As for an oil being more oily than the next - is is actually possible, although the term is fucking dense, as Bonez suggested.
It is probably a reference to the density of the oil, some are thicker than other, this is true - but that has absolutely nothing to do with the question in this thread OP and is a total non-issue.
OP, the propionate ester is lighter and so you actually get more test per ml than you would with cyp or enanth, (simply as the carbon chain for the acid is shorter - the shorter the ester, and the lighter it is, and the more base drug is needed to make the concentration. It is simple maths at that point)
The following is an excellent article by BR, and it is a great read for those new to the drugs and those a whole lot more experienced:
www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Brook
[quote]Schmazz wrote:
Molecular weight of the cypionate ester is 132.1184. 250mg of Test C is roughly 70% actual testosterone which means each 250mg of Test C contains 175mg of actual Testosterone base.
No need for the fighting, children.[/quote]
Thank you very much, this is exactley what I was looking for.
“it would take 344 mg of testosterone propionate, or 401 mg of testosterone enanthate to give the same amount of testosterone as in 288 mg of testosterone suspension”.
From
www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Interesting even though the respective amounts of each testosterone ester required to make good gains is pretty much established. Also, by trial and error, we all have our sweet spots in the balance between benefits and sides.
I personally enjoyed 700mg/w test e more than 583mg/w last cycle. My blood level showed a 30% higher reading too (although my last cycle blood lab showed a very high reading too).
The only side I could have done without is my sleep was very splotchy. I ofter woke up and had trouble getting back to bed. Adequate sleep being important to maximise gains. I am running PCT now and sleeping like a baby once more.
While it would make sense to figure dosage of testosterone and other esterified steroids on the basis of milligrams of the parent steroid, not of the total ester weight, in practice this ranges from:
Hardly ever done
to
Not done
I’ve never seen anyone bother with it for testosterone esters. When referring to, for example, a gram per week of testosterone (or 500 mg/week or 750 mg/week or whatever figure) the reference is to the weight of the esterified compound, and the fact that this is a greater amount of testosterone if it’s, for example, testosterone propionate than if cypionate is neglected.
I did bother with it myself way back when when deciding to establish 50 mg/day TA as a standard dose. (At that time this was generally considered an insanely high amount.) It was based on usage of one Parabolan per day being proven safe and effective among some advanced users in Europe, and 50 mg/day of TA containing the same amount of trenbolone as the 76 mg (I think) of Parabolan per ampule.
But you may have to go just that far back to find anyone correcting for ester weight. It’s just generally not done, regardless of the fact that it would make sense.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Interesting even though the respective amounts of each testosterone ester required to make good gains is pretty much established. Also, by trial and error, we all have our sweet spots in the balance between benefits and sides.
I personally enjoyed 700mg/w test e more than 583mg/w last cycle. My blood level showed a 30% higher reading too (although my last cycle blood lab showed a very high reading too).
The only side I could have done without is my sleep was very splotchy. I ofter woke up and had trouble getting back to bed. Adequate sleep being important to maximise gains. I am running PCT now and sleeping like a baby once more.[/quote]
583mg/w is a very precise measurement to be taking per week ,just out of interest how did you arrive at this fiqure?
250mg E3D
aha .i see!
I also prefer to use doses around the 750mg/w level
it seems worth it over taking 500