[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
I am actually kinda shocked to see some Omega 6 fatty acids with the GLA.
What do you mean?
Why shocked?
Standard ratios way back when were around 2:1 with Omega-6:Omega 3.
These days last I read it was around 16 or 20:1
We already get a lot of O6’s
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This explains it perfectly, if people ate properly then there would be no need for balancing out their fat intake. But we do not live in a world like this, where food is chemically treated and polluted to hell.
Yeah, but I think the ratios are so skewed that a little extra GLA - to ensure that your body gets GLA - is worth “adding” to the ratio in favor of Omega 6s.
In other words, if your intake ratio is already 16:1, then a little GLA (O-6) won’t kill you, especially if you don’t even get GLA in your diet.
I am curious why the total amount of Omega6 to Omega3 fatty acids wasn’t balanced to 2:1. Probably doesn’t matter much.
I think you guys are missing the point that GLA’s effects are paradoxical to other omega-6 fatty acids, so it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on whether it’s catagorized as a 3 or 6.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point that GLA’s effects are paradoxical to other omega-6 fatty acids, so it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on whether it’s catagorized as a 3 or 6.[/quote]
Exactly! There are two omega 6 exceptions (off the top of my head): GLA and CLA.
[quote]Tim Ziegenfuss wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point that GLA’s effects are paradoxical to other omega-6 fatty acids, so it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on whether it’s catagorized as a 3 or 6.
Exactly! There are two omega 6 exceptions (off the top of my head): GLA and CLA.
TZ[/quote]
Dr. Ziegenfuss,
I am not sure if people are questioning GLA’s inclusion or the inclusion of what is listed as linoleic acid.
The article said that 4 caps of FA3 contains
Gamma-linolenic Acid 455 mg
Linoleic Acid 875 mg
Now admittedly that’s not a massive amount of linoleic acid, even if you took 2 or even 3 servings of FA3, but I suppose the question is why it is included at all. The GLA I get, but I am likely missing something when it comes to the additional linoleic acid. You guys with Biotest obviously have a rhyme and reason for including specific ingredients in precise amounts, and never just throw things in willy nilly. Basically I am just curious why the extra linoleic acid is in there when people claim it is relatively easy to consume the necessary amounts of linoleic acid per day. Is this simply a case of FA3 + Flameout being designed to meet the needs of someon even if said person chose to consume little or no other fat in a given day (unlikely, but anything is possible, especially these days), hence the inclusion of linoleic acid? Or is there a deeper reason I am completely missing?
[quote]Higgins wrote:
Just took the first four and I don’t know if its placebo or not but I am literally burning up inside. Same feeling as a fat burner.[/quote]
The only way to know if it was placebo would be to have NOT watched the product video with CT
Or, you can continue to take it and assess the effects after 4-6 weeks; I read that placebo effect usually lasts around 2-3 weeks. By then, you might need a slightly higher dose, though, to get the same effect.
Or you can just come off the FA3 for 2-3 weeks and resume your standard dose. If the effect occurs again, then it’s related to the product (a good thing).
[quote]kcushijima wrote:
My shipment of FA3 came in, is it better to keep them in the cupboard or put them in the fridge? Or does it not matter either way? Thanks.
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I noticed that putting it in the fridge makes it cloud up. Is that OK? Again, should this go in the fridge like Flameout, or is the cupboard better?
[quote]proteus189 wrote:
Ignore my last question. I just noticed the label say to refrigerate after opening.[/quote]
I think you may have been looking at a Flameout bottle, which does say to refrigerate after opening. I put one my FA3 bottles in the fridge so I could keep it next to Flameout for convenience. The capsules turned completely white by the next day. My guess is that it’s the lauric acid.
Hopefully, this is not causing a problem with the other substances in the capsule. TC, care to confirm or correct this assumption?
Well, if I were to use logic (no way am I claiming that anything I write includes logic), the ingredients in this product should NOT need refridgeration. Here’s why I think this:
You don’t store coconut oil in the fridge…at least you don’t have to.
You don’t store olive oil in the fridge…at least I don’t.
I don’t believe one stores borage oil in the fridge either…but then again I’ve never used borage oil.
Based on the above, I do not think it is necessary to store in the fridge. That cloudiness that someone else wrote clearly happens to olive oil for example when you store it in the fridge.
Flameout, being Omega-3 specific, goes rancid rather easily being a polyunsaturated fat. That’s why it needs to be in the fridge. Coconut oil is more like a saturated fat (oh, OK, it’s MCT, but MCT’s can behave like saturated fats) which is a solid at room temperature.
My 2 cents.
[quote]kcushijima wrote:
My shipment of FA3 came in, is it better to keep them in the cupboard or put them in the fridge? Or does it not matter either way? Thanks.
[quote]j77 wrote:
proteus189 wrote:
Ignore my last question. I just noticed the label say to refrigerate after opening.
I think you may have been looking at a Flameout bottle, which does say to refrigerate after opening. I put one my FA3 bottles in the fridge so I could keep it next to Flameout for convenience. The capsules turned completely white by the next day. My guess is that it’s the lauric acid.
Hopefully, this is not causing a problem with the other substances in the capsule. TC, care to confirm or correct this assumption?[/quote]
Yeah, this happened to me too. I am guessing it is the lauric acid as well because coconut oil is a solid at room temperature.
[quote]SouthsideMayhem wrote:
Tim Ziegenfuss wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point that GLA’s effects are paradoxical to other omega-6 fatty acids, so it doesn’t make sense to get hung up on whether it’s catagorized as a 3 or 6.
Exactly! There are two omega 6 exceptions (off the top of my head): GLA and CLA.
TZ
Dr. Ziegenfuss,
I am not sure if people are questioning GLA’s inclusion or the inclusion of what is listed as linoleic acid.
The article said that 4 caps of FA3 contains
Gamma-linolenic Acid 455 mg
Linoleic Acid 875 mg
Now admittedly that’s not a massive amount of linoleic acid, even if you took 2 or even 3 servings of FA3, but I suppose the question is why it is included at all. The GLA I get, but I am likely missing something when it comes to the additional linoleic acid. You guys with Biotest obviously have a rhyme and reason for including specific ingredients in precise amounts, and never just throw things in willy nilly. Basically I am just curious why the extra linoleic acid is in there when people claim it is relatively easy to consume the necessary amounts of linoleic acid per day. Is this simply a case of FA3 + Flameout being designed to meet the needs of someon even if said person chose to consume little or no other fat in a given day (unlikely, but anything is possible, especially these days), hence the inclusion of linoleic acid? Or is there a deeper reason I am completely missing?
Thank you for your help!
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HK,
You are right on target, FA3 + Flameout is a combo that was designed to meet the fatty acid needs of the body. That said, I suspect the reason there is a small amt of linoleic acid in the product is that it is a natural part of the oils from which the “good” fatty acids are derived.
[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
j77 wrote:
proteus189 wrote:
Ignore my last question. I just noticed the label say to refrigerate after opening.
I think you may have been looking at a Flameout bottle, which does say to refrigerate after opening. I put one my FA3 bottles in the fridge so I could keep it next to Flameout for convenience. The capsules turned completely white by the next day. My guess is that it’s the lauric acid.
Hopefully, this is not causing a problem with the other substances in the capsule. TC, care to confirm or correct this assumption?
Yeah, this happened to me too. I am guessing it is the lauric acid as well because coconut oil is a solid at room temperature.[/quote]
IMO, there is no need to stick FA-3 in the fridge, unless you live somewhere hot and humid. Even then, keep it in a cool, dry place, take as directed, and you should have no worries.
[quote]Tim Ziegenfuss wrote:
GusBus07 wrote:
j77 wrote:
proteus189 wrote:
Ignore my last question. I just noticed the label say to refrigerate after opening.
I think you may have been looking at a Flameout bottle, which does say to refrigerate after opening. I put one my FA3 bottles in the fridge so I could keep it next to Flameout for convenience. The capsules turned completely white by the next day. My guess is that it’s the lauric acid.
Hopefully, this is not causing a problem with the other substances in the capsule. TC, care to confirm or correct this assumption?
Yeah, this happened to me too. I am guessing it is the lauric acid as well because coconut oil is a solid at room temperature.
IMO, there is no need to stick FA-3 in the fridge, unless you live somewhere hot and humid. Even then, keep it in a cool, dry place, take as directed, and you should have no worries.
TZ
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Tim,
It would not be necessarily “bad” to keep in the fridge though would it?
[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
Tim Ziegenfuss wrote:
GusBus07 wrote:
j77 wrote:
proteus189 wrote:
Ignore my last question. I just noticed the label say to refrigerate after opening.
I think you may have been looking at a Flameout bottle, which does say to refrigerate after opening. I put one my FA3 bottles in the fridge so I could keep it next to Flameout for convenience. The capsules turned completely white by the next day. My guess is that it’s the lauric acid.
Hopefully, this is not causing a problem with the other substances in the capsule. TC, care to confirm or correct this assumption?
Yeah, this happened to me too. I am guessing it is the lauric acid as well because coconut oil is a solid at room temperature.
IMO, there is no need to stick FA-3 in the fridge, unless you live somewhere hot and humid. Even then, keep it in a cool, dry place, take as directed, and you should have no worries.
TZ
Tim,
It would not be necessarily “bad” to keep in the fridge though would it?[/quote]
GB,
No, I don’t think it would be “bad”, but I think it’s not necessary. I am just speculating, but if the lauric acid solidifies, it may delay its absorption a bit. Again, I think keeping FA-3 in a cool (but not cold), dark, dry place is the way to go.
“Just took the first four and I don’t know if its placebo or not but I am literally burning up inside. Same feeling as a fat burner.”
“The only way to know if it was placebo would be to have NOT watched the product video with CT”
To test for placebo, two things should work fine:
Have someone else take a dose without knowing what it is or what you are testing for and especially someone who has not seen the video with CT, then ask how they feel.
Find a fat supplement of the same size, and have set up a way to take them randomly and without looking at them and record how you feel before revealing to yourself which it is. This is easiest with someone else giving them to you, you taking them with your eyes closed and the friend recording what they are. Do this a few times before asking to see the data. The way I would do it alone is to get a bunch of opaque and uniform small containers, label the inside with what it is (e.g. FA3 or Flameout), randomize their order and take them without looking in the bottle. If you record how you feel after each one through a day or two, then look inside the ordered bottles to see if a fat-burner-type feeling correlates with the FA3.
Neither of these will be certain, however, because the effect may depend on things like addressing a deficiency which you would have addressed by now through use of FA3 – which can also be said if the effect goes away after some time.
In any case, the usefulness of the product does not seem to depend upon whether you get this feeling or not, but rather its ability to address important deficiencies and help you achieve your goal. Hopefully people will update with effects over time.
