F@#king Love Handles Won't Go Away

Nutrition
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[quote]KyleT wrote:
I wouldn’t bother with a bodypod. The numbers don’t mean much, don’t get obsessed with them. What matters is how you look in the mirror. To gauge your progress, keep using the 3 point caliper method. Just know that the bodyfat calculation this tells you is going to be different than what other methods will give you.

In fact, I personally think that at this point you shouldn’t even bother with the calculations. Just write down the mm you measure for upper, mid, and lower and use that instead to track progress. Just curious, what are the 3 measurements (mm) you currently are?[/quote]

Mid-chest 5mm
Abs 8mm
thigh 16mm

i went to this website.

I just took it and i finished eating about an hour ago…

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[quote]renzema wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]renzema wrote:
Also you didn’t post a pic of your wheels. Are you even working your legs? Reason I ask is because for me I know I burn a lot of calories on legs days and in the long run you HAVE to work your legs or you will just be another one of the frat guy meat heads with chicken legs. [/quote]

im in a frat:(… dick[/quote]

If you look like an ostrich then my comment applies to you ;).

Yes I am stereo-typing and I won’t applogize, but seriously everyone has seen these guys and know what I am talking about. They are over tanned, and have the legs of a pre-teen girl with 18" arms.

Back on topic, good luck man and I think you have all the advice that is going to be helpful. Now its just down to doing the leg work, pun intended. [/quote]

no i know what you’re getting at i was just fuckin around… im actually the opposite. my legs/hips are wide in comparison to my upper body - it sucks…

any way MERC a lot of people have reported success with poliquins supps (BIOSIGNATURE). i think it s worth checking out once you drop a little more fat and if its still a problem

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Just so you can have your mindset right…7% bf would mean you would already be seeing a ton of vascularity, muscle separation and striations, especially in the upper body. You have almost none. This means you are nowhere near 7% bf so stop worrying about percentages and just be concerned on how you look. At a true 7% your love handle problem will almost certainly be gone so just keep on truckin.[/quote]

LOL… we already determined that.3 point caliper arent accurate for shit… But I still want to improve. What do you recommend. I thought after 10% is when you see your abs[/quote]

I recommend cutting out carbs completely (except fruits and veggies) if your really serious about shredding up. Personally I think you should add some more mass before doing so, but the best fat cutting plan for me has been to switch to an almost all meat and veggies diet.

You also need to realize that getting sub 7-10% BF is going to require sacrificing some of your personal well being, as hunger cravings, light headedness, and other side effects will almost surely come into play. Honestly, you look pretty soft as it is, so I would suggest adding some interval training on your off days, and busting ass on full body workouts during the other 5 days per week.[/quote]

agreed but about the cravings HR-X do wonders for me. not only that i actually ‘feel’ surprisingly good even while going pretty low on calories and almost no carbs

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Just so you can have your mindset right…7% bf would mean you would already be seeing a ton of vascularity, muscle separation and striations, especially in the upper body. You have almost none. This means you are nowhere near 7% bf so stop worrying about percentages and just be concerned on how you look. At a true 7% your love handle problem will almost certainly be gone so just keep on truckin.[/quote]

LOL… we already determined that.3 point caliper arent accurate for shit… But I still want to improve. What do you recommend. I thought after 10% is when you see your abs[/quote]

I recommend cutting out carbs completely (except fruits and veggies) if your really serious about shredding up. Personally I think you should add some more mass before doing so, but the best fat cutting plan for me has been to switch to an almost all meat and veggies diet.

You also need to realize that getting sub 7-10% BF is going to require sacrificing some of your personal well being, as hunger cravings, light headedness, and other side effects will almost surely come into play. Honestly, you look pretty soft as it is, so I would suggest adding some interval training on your off days, and busting ass on full body workouts during the other 5 days per week.[/quote]

agreed but about the cravings HR-X do wonders for me. not only that i actually ‘feel’ surprisingly good even while going pretty low on calories and almost no carbs[/quote]

Yea there are ways to minimize the discomfort, I’m just saying that people need to realize that achieving sub 7-10% BF is both hard to do and requires a lot of sacrifice, on a lot of levels. You just aren’t going to be as comfortable as if you were maintaining double digit BF levels.

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]renzema wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]renzema wrote:
Also you didn’t post a pic of your wheels. Are you even working your legs? Reason I ask is because for me I know I burn a lot of calories on legs days and in the long run you HAVE to work your legs or you will just be another one of the frat guy meat heads with chicken legs. [/quote]

im in a frat:(… dick[/quote]

If you look like an ostrich then my comment applies to you ;).

Yes I am stereo-typing and I won’t applogize, but seriously everyone has seen these guys and know what I am talking about. They are over tanned, and have the legs of a pre-teen girl with 18" arms.

Back on topic, good luck man and I think you have all the advice that is going to be helpful. Now its just down to doing the leg work, pun intended. [/quote]

no i know what you’re getting at i was just fuckin around… im actually the opposite. my legs/hips are wide in comparison to my upper body - it sucks…

any way MERC a lot of people have reported success with poliquins supps (BIOSIGNATURE). i think it s worth checking out once you drop a little more fat and if its still a problem[/quote]

Im already ahead of you buddy. Might start saving money on that stuff. Any clue how long you should take it? Thanks

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Just so you can have your mindset right…7% bf would mean you would already be seeing a ton of vascularity, muscle separation and striations, especially in the upper body. You have almost none. This means you are nowhere near 7% bf so stop worrying about percentages and just be concerned on how you look. At a true 7% your love handle problem will almost certainly be gone so just keep on truckin.[/quote]

LOL… we already determined that.3 point caliper arent accurate for shit… But I still want to improve. What do you recommend. I thought after 10% is when you see your abs[/quote]

I recommend cutting out carbs completely (except fruits and veggies) if your really serious about shredding up. Personally I think you should add some more mass before doing so, but the best fat cutting plan for me has been to switch to an almost all meat and veggies diet.

You also need to realize that getting sub 7-10% BF is going to require sacrificing some of your personal well being, as hunger cravings, light headedness, and other side effects will almost surely come into play. Honestly, you look pretty soft as it is, so I would suggest adding some interval training on your off days, and busting ass on full body workouts during the other 5 days per week.[/quote]

agreed but about the cravings HR-X do wonders for me. not only that i actually ‘feel’ surprisingly good even while going pretty low on calories and almost no carbs[/quote]

Yea there are ways to minimize the discomfort, I’m just saying that people need to realize that achieving sub 7-10% BF is both hard to do and requires a lot of sacrifice, on a lot of levels. You just aren’t going to be as comfortable as if you were maintaining double digit BF levels.[/quote]

Agreed…lol…funny thing is that I posted those recent pics on facebook. Everyone and there mother is impressed my progress and want to know my plan.

I wish i was easily impressed lol. BUT thanks to this post and everyone who commented, I have a new idea, as to where to take my traing. I only wish CT would have put his 2 cents in the matter. Owell!!!

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Dieting down that low when you are carrying that level of muscle mass is going to make you look sickly.

You seem to have a pretty good overall shape. You just need to fill out your shoulders, back and legs.

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First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

Thank your for you imput. But I have to ask you first. Which pic where you looking at( the thumbs up one) As for working out Obliques… I already do them. And they have grown.In fact there size make them look fater. There is no such thing as SPOT FAT REMOVAL!!!

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.

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Fair enough. Thanks for correcting that idea. And I was looking at all of the pictures, not one in particular.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?

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[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.[/quote]

Just got done eating a bowl from Chipotle w/ steak, guacamole, shredded beef and cheese (and veggies), read this and decided to go grab a big handful of almonds. Gotta get big!

Trainin hard of course, so it should go to the right places

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.[/quote]

Just got done eating a bowl from Chipotle w/ steak, guacamole, shredded beef and cheese (and veggies), read this and decided to go grab a big handful of almonds. Gotta get big!

Trainin hard of course, so it should go to the right places[/quote]

That’s why I am such a big advocate of using food instead of supplements. For me, eating meals before and after workouts, instead of shakes or bars, has lead to much better gains, and also helped me learn to put the right stuff in my fuel tank.

The only downside is that it probably isn’t as convenient, but you can live with that.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.[/quote]

Just got done eating a bowl from Chipotle w/ steak, guacamole, shredded beef and cheese (and veggies), read this and decided to go grab a big handful of almonds. Gotta get big!

Trainin hard of course, so it should go to the right places[/quote]

That’s why I am such a big advocate of using food instead of supplements. For me, eating meals before and after workouts, instead of shakes or bars, has lead to much better gains, and also helped me learn to put the right stuff in my fuel tank.

The only downside is that it probably isn’t as convenient, but you can live with that.
[/quote]

soo you think a piece of chicken would be better thana shake post workout.

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[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.[/quote]

Just got done eating a bowl from Chipotle w/ steak, guacamole, shredded beef and cheese (and veggies), read this and decided to go grab a big handful of almonds. Gotta get big!

Trainin hard of course, so it should go to the right places[/quote]

That’s why I am such a big advocate of using food instead of supplements. For me, eating meals before and after workouts, instead of shakes or bars, has lead to much better gains, and also helped me learn to put the right stuff in my fuel tank.

The only downside is that it probably isn’t as convenient, but you can live with that.
[/quote]

soo you think a piece of chicken would be better thana shake post workout.
[/quote]

No, I think 2 pieces of chicken, 1/2-1 pound of broccoli and some fruit would be great post workout.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Deorum wrote:
First, I’d put you at 15%, not 7%. Next, Doing exercises to actually target your obliques cannot hurt - though truthfully I’ve never done them. Surprised this hasn’t been suggested. Much like the train arms for bigger arms. Spot targeting for spot reduction cannot be THAT crazy an idea. [/quote]

It’s not crazy, it’s retarded. Some pro’s avoid training the obliques directly completely to avoid making their waists bigger. The truth is, if some guy is squatting over 400lbs and bench pressing over 300 for reps, they likely have better abs than most people give them credit for…they just may not be able to see them. Why would someone who wants their obliques to stand out less train them directly with resistance?

We all know he is nowhere near 7% body fat, but regardless of his number, if he tries to drop that much weight at his level of size, he likely will not like how he looks.[/quote]

LOL well said Professor X. Do you think I should just stop trying to lose fat fot now and bulk up?
[/quote]

I think you should keep an eye on carb intake and then QUIT WASTING SOME OF THE BEST YEARS FOR GROWTH WORRYING THIS MUCH ABOUT YOUR BODY FAT PERCENTAGE.

I mean, shit, I’ve seen guys do that so many times and very few of you can deal with the aspect of putting any real size on afterwards because you get caught up in how lean you are instead of whether any of that is actually muscle mass to a large degree.

That would be why the only people who seem to be agreeing with you as far as your approach are likely carrying less muscle than you are.[/quote]

Just got done eating a bowl from Chipotle w/ steak, guacamole, shredded beef and cheese (and veggies), read this and decided to go grab a big handful of almonds. Gotta get big!

Trainin hard of course, so it should go to the right places[/quote]

That’s why I am such a big advocate of using food instead of supplements. For me, eating meals before and after workouts, instead of shakes or bars, has lead to much better gains, and also helped me learn to put the right stuff in my fuel tank.

The only downside is that it probably isn’t as convenient, but you can live with that.
[/quote]

soo you think a piece of chicken would be better thana shake post workout.
[/quote]

No, I think 2 pieces of chicken, 1/2-1 pound of broccoli and some fruit would be great post workout.[/quote]

Your not the first to tell me that. I guess shake a just easier and faster to take.

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[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

Your not the first to tell me that. I guess shake a just easier and faster to take.[/quote]

Dude, just realize that it is important to get SOMETHING in you after training and that is way more important than specifically what it is. You won’t always have access to that perfect shake or those chicken breasts.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mercNASTY1190 wrote:

Your not the first to tell me that. I guess shake a just easier and faster to take.[/quote]

Dude, just realize that it is important to get SOMETHING in you after training and that is way more important than specifically what it is. You won’t always have access to that perfect shake or those chicken breasts.[/quote]

You also have to realize that the most successful people, in any facet of life, aren’t the ones that take the easier and faster route like you mentioned.