As am I and I have yet to work with an MD or PhD that has introduced themselves as Doctor outside of a formal setting like a job interview. Even to the undergraduate students coming to work in the lab I’ve usually seen Doctors tell them to use their first name.[/quote]
Congratulations, but that is not the norm, especially at major universities and research facilities. You seem to be implying that you know a lot of PhDs and MDs, but I would be willing to bet that you are some undergrad student with no hope of being accepted into a doctorate program. We must maintain a certain level of professionalism, and it is inappropriate for my students and people I work with/meet at formal events to address me by my first name unless I am actually friends with them.[/quote]
While I appreciate the condescending tone I already have my undergrad and I’m doing rotations in labs to decide what field I’d like to do my doctorate in. Already completed my GRE and have two years research experience, accepted into the school I received my undergrad from if I want it but I’m more interested in going state side.
[quote]X-Factor wrote:
No one doubts it’s hard work. But if someone introduced themselves as “imhungry, esq”. Wouldn’t you want to punch them in the nuts. Or if richard branson said “i’m sir branson”. Dick punch again no?[/quote]
I know ppl who do this. I know ppl who always intro themselves as Dr. whatever, no matter if they have an MD or a DDS or a PhD or whatever kind of doctorate. Shit, I knew a lady who intro’d herself as Mrs. Dr. whatever. She was only the wife of a doctor and INSISTED on being Mrs. Dr. because that has much more cache than just a regular Mrs.[/quote]
It’s my understanding that if your husband is a MEDICAL Dr, you can call yourself Mrs. Dr. Wannabestuckupinsecurebitch
Or something like that…
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So, if she was the wife of a DDS, she couldn’t do that? Or the wife of a PhD? Where are these rules? Is there a manual somewhere you’re reading from?[/quote]
Haven’t you been paying attention? Only Medical Doctors can call themselves “Dr.” I am only a “Mr.” or have to be addressed by my first name all the time despite the fact that the first word in my most advance degree is “Doctor.” I should go to Carnegie Mellon and demand that it be changed to “Not a real Doctor” of Philosophy. I will send them an e-mail in the morning.
Seriously though, I did not even know this was a controversial issue until I started posting on this site.
[quote]X-Factor wrote:
No one doubts it’s hard work. But if someone introduced themselves as “imhungry, esq”. Wouldn’t you want to punch them in the nuts. Or if richard branson said “i’m sir branson”. Dick punch again no?[/quote]
I know ppl who do this. I know ppl who always intro themselves as Dr. whatever, no matter if they have an MD or a DDS or a PhD or whatever kind of doctorate. Shit, I knew a lady who intro’d herself as Mrs. Dr. whatever. She was only the wife of a doctor and INSISTED on being Mrs. Dr. because that has much more cache than just a regular Mrs.[/quote]
It’s my understanding that if your husband is a MEDICAL Dr, you can call yourself Mrs. Dr. Wannabestuckupinsecurebitch
Or something like that…
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So, if she was the wife of a DDS, she couldn’t do that? Or the wife of a PhD? Where are these rules? Is there a manual somewhere you’re reading from?[/quote]
Haven’t you been paying attention? Only Medical Doctors can call themselves “Dr.” I am only a “Mr.” or have to be addressed by my first name all the time despite the fact that the first word in my most advance degree is “Doctor.” I should go to Carnegie Mellon and demand that it be changed to “Not a real Doctor” of Philosophy. I will send them an e-mail in the morning.
Seriously though, I did not even know this was a controversial issue until I started posting on this site.
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Me neither. Learn something new every day, huh, Doc?
As am I and I have yet to work with an MD or PhD that has introduced themselves as Doctor outside of a formal setting like a job interview. Even to the undergraduate students coming to work in the lab I’ve usually seen Doctors tell them to use their first name.[/quote]
Congratulations, but that is not the norm, especially at major universities and research facilities. You seem to be implying that you know a lot of PhDs and MDs, but I would be willing to bet that you are some undergrad student with no hope of being accepted into a doctorate program. We must maintain a certain level of professionalism, and it is inappropriate for my students and people I work with/meet at formal events to address me by my first name unless I am actually friends with them.[/quote]
This. If you’re not being called Dr. whatever, then I would be calling you Professor whatever. Most college professors ARE doctors, usually PhDs, so calling them Dr. Whatever would be totally appropriate.[/quote]
Exactly, but none of my students call me professor, probably due to the extra syllable, and Dr. is the more commonly used title among fellow doctors that are not on familiar terms.
Hey “Dr”, the deal is Dr. is reserved for actual medical doctors, period. A whole lotta people got doctorate degrees, those who use Dr. are seen as looking for attention, affirmation, general insecurities. My stepfather has two doctorates, he’s not a doctor and doesn’t use it in his title. He filled me in on this gem of info…
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No, the title of doctor is reserved for people with a doctorate, regardless of what field they have it in. My job requires me to be a doctor. If your stepfather really went through two doctoral programs and decided not to, or could not, get a job that requires a doctorate that is his deal. I introduce myself as Dr. in formal/professional situations because that is my title and anything else is inappropriate, not to mention wrong.
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People hate being out-done. It’s the one-upper mentality.
Matt: “I’m Dr. Matt. I work at the university”.
Me: (Well, I don’t have a PhD, so fuck this guy for advancing his education past mine) “That’s cool, even though you aren’t a real doctor”.
Fuck the haters. You are a doctor just like PX and any other person with a PhD.
Me neither. Learn something new every day, huh, Doc? ;)[/quote]
Sure do, but some things, like this “issue” are not worth knowing so I must kill brain cells in the hopes of forgetting it. I guess that is why they invented alcohol and American Idol.
Me neither. Learn something new every day, huh, Doc? ;)[/quote]
Sure do, but some things, like this “issue” are not worth knowing so I must kill brain cells in the hopes of forgetting it. I guess that is why they invented alcohol and American Idol.
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LOL…I’ll take the alcohol and pass on American Idol.
Hey “Dr”, the deal is Dr. is reserved for actual medical doctors, period. A whole lotta people got doctorate degrees, those who use Dr. are seen as looking for attention, affirmation, general insecurities. My stepfather has two doctorates, he’s not a doctor and doesn’t use it in his title. He filled me in on this gem of info…
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No, the title of doctor is reserved for people with a doctorate, regardless of what field they have it in. My job requires me to be a doctor. If your stepfather really went through two doctoral programs and decided not to, or could not, get a job that requires a doctorate that is his deal. I introduce myself as Dr. in formal/professional situations because that is my title and anything else is inappropriate, not to mention wrong.
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So is this a formal/professional situation?
btw, he has one in mathematics and one in astronomy, is a retired professor, multiple patent holder and general bad ass in knowledge. Jesus, he builds his own telescopes! But he’s Canadian so there’s the politeness factor…
Still.[/quote]
I’m Canadian. I consider people with PhD to be doctors. They can absolutely use “Dr” when introducing themselves.[/quote]
As am I and I have yet to work with an MD or PhD that has introduced themselves as Doctor outside of a formal setting like a job interview. Even to the undergraduate students coming to work in the lab I’ve usually seen Doctors tell them to use their first name.[/quote]
That is true. I work with a lot of physics PhDs in my field (finance) and everyone is on a first name basis at work (although their business cards will say “Dr”). My boss is actually a doctor, but I didn’t know for the first year and a half that I worked for him. Definitely different than when I was in school.
Hey “Dr”, the deal is Dr. is reserved for actual medical doctors, period. A whole lotta people got doctorate degrees, those who use Dr. are seen as looking for attention, affirmation, general insecurities. My stepfather has two doctorates, he’s not a doctor and doesn’t use it in his title. He filled me in on this gem of info…
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No, the title of doctor is reserved for people with a doctorate, regardless of what field they have it in. My job requires me to be a doctor. If your stepfather really went through two doctoral programs and decided not to, or could not, get a job that requires a doctorate that is his deal. I introduce myself as Dr. in formal/professional situations because that is my title and anything else is inappropriate, not to mention wrong.
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So is this a formal/professional situation?
btw, he has one in mathematics and one in astronomy, is a retired professor, multiple patent holder and general bad ass in knowledge. Jesus, he builds his own telescopes! But he’s Canadian so there’s the politeness factor…
Still.[/quote]
I’m Canadian. I consider people with PhD to be doctors. They can absolutely use “Dr” when introducing themselves.[/quote]
^^ See, that’s what I’m talking about, you Canadians are too nice. Damn you Hosers!
(just kidding, love our friends of the north. In Vermont we call Canada The Great Parking Lot to The North)
Not kidding on that one
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I went skiing in Vermont in early March. I got carded at the grocery store trying to buy wine (I’m in my 30s) and the woman wouldn’t accept my ID because she “couldn’t read the language” which was English. I guess being so close to Quebec, she thought all Canadians spoke french.
Me neither. Learn something new every day, huh, Doc? ;)[/quote]
Sure do, but some things, like this “issue” are not worth knowing so I must kill brain cells in the hopes of forgetting it. I guess that is why they invented alcohol and American Idol.
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Wait a minute good Doctor, so you drink and watch American Idol? I didn’t know Dr’s did that. You do learn something everyday, just not stuff worth, er, uh, whatever…
Hey “Dr”, the deal is Dr. is reserved for actual medical doctors, period. A whole lotta people got doctorate degrees, those who use Dr. are seen as looking for attention, affirmation, general insecurities. My stepfather has two doctorates, he’s not a doctor and doesn’t use it in his title. He filled me in on this gem of info…
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No, the title of doctor is reserved for people with a doctorate, regardless of what field they have it in. My job requires me to be a doctor. If your stepfather really went through two doctoral programs and decided not to, or could not, get a job that requires a doctorate that is his deal. I introduce myself as Dr. in formal/professional situations because that is my title and anything else is inappropriate, not to mention wrong.
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So is this a formal/professional situation?
btw, he has one in mathematics and one in astronomy, is a retired professor, multiple patent holder and general bad ass in knowledge. Jesus, he builds his own telescopes! But he’s Canadian so there’s the politeness factor…
Still.[/quote]
I’m Canadian. I consider people with PhD to be doctors. They can absolutely use “Dr” when introducing themselves.[/quote]
^^ See, that’s what I’m talking about, you Canadians are too nice. Damn you Hosers!
(just kidding, love our friends of the north. In Vermont we call Canada The Great Parking Lot to The North)
Not kidding on that one
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I went skiing in Vermont in early March. I got carded at the grocery store trying to buy wine (I’m in my 30s) and the woman wouldn’t accept my ID because she “couldn’t read the language” which was English. I guess being so close to Quebec, she thought all Canadians spoke french.[/quote]
Sorry about that, you encountered what we refer to as a “woodchuck”…
That is true. I work with a lot of physics PhDs in my field (finance) and everyone is on a first name basis at work (although their business cards will say “Dr”).[/quote]
And I bet that all those who are on a first name basis know each other pretty well and are friends/friendly with each other. It is that way just about everywhere. To my friends I am Matt, or some other nickname; but to my students, bosses, people I know in a professional capacity but am not friends with, and at formal events I am Dr. Whatever.
Me neither. Learn something new every day, huh, Doc? ;)[/quote]
Sure do, but some things, like this “issue” are not worth knowing so I must kill brain cells in the hopes of forgetting it. I guess that is why they invented alcohol and American Idol.
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LOL…I’ll take the alcohol and pass on American Idol. [/quote]
I wish I could too, but my fiance loves the show and we have an agreement: She gets to watch American Idol when it is on and I get to watch The Dukes of Hazzard when they play reruns, which is more often than you might think.
That is true. I work with a lot of physics PhDs in my field (finance) and everyone is on a first name basis at work (although their business cards will say “Dr”).[/quote]
And I bet that all those who are on a first name basis know each other pretty well and are friends/friendly with each other. It is that way just about everywhere. To my friends I am Matt, or some other nickname; but to my students, bosses, people I know in a professional capacity but am not friends with, and at formal events I am Dr. Whatever.
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No. At the office we’re all on a first name basis. No one goes by “Mr” or “Dr”. As I posted above (edited after you quoted it) my boss has a PhD, but I didn’t know he was a doctor for the first year and a half that I worked for him. He was just “Duncan”. I work with a lot of PhDs, but I don’t usually find out that they are unless I see their business card, or their name on a power point presentation or email.
If I were to call someone in our research department (probably a PhD) I wounldn’t bother to check if he was a doctor, and he wouldn’t expect me to care.
That being said, I know school isn’t the same. I got in a bit of trouble once when contacting a professor while at work to enquire about a course. Without thinking, I used his first name like I would with anyone in my industry and he wasn’t a fan.
Interestingly enough, I’m watching the movie “Contact” right now, and the main character is called “Doctor” several times. She is not an MD but has a PhD in something else.
